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I’m pretty sure most Senate Republicans are privately relieved to be rid of Trump. They got pretty much everything they could have wanted out of him: a huge tax cut for the wealthy in 2017 that Democrats will be unable to reverse without control of the Senate (which I assume won’t happen unless two miracles occur in Georgia in January) and a bunch of right-wing judges and justices. And they managed to escape largely unscathed by their association with Trump; voters didn’t punish them – only Trump himself – on election day.
Deane, I’ll bet you all the TVs in the White House have been showing the news channels but with the video of the past few days running in reverse, so Trump’s vote counts are going up not down…
Trump may indeed run again in 2024. Why wouldn’t he? That’s not to say he would get the nomination again – but who knows?
Sorry, I disagree that journalists haven’t tried to stand up to him. Many have tried. One even asked him at a White House press conference, face to face when he was going to stop lying to the American people. Trump just shrugged him off and moved on to the next question.
The problem with Trump is that he doesn’t lie about just one thing – because he lies about almost EVERYTHING, there’s a flood of sh*t to challenge him on, so journalists are just overwhelmed. One lie is easy to challenge; a hundred are overwhelming. Question him and he just calls them fake news or bad reporters, and his supporters love it.
lastday: “The rules have changed. Trump is so far off the rails now he’s forfeited the right to be treated with the respect and deference due a normal president. The gloves should come off when the media is covering his insane election pronouncements.”
I guess I watch/listen to different media than you do. I listen to NPR, and for a long time now, when Trump is being covered and he lies, they routinely point it out. Same with CNN though I rarely watch/listen to them.
Otherwise, lots of journalists have tried to challenge Trump – did you miss the Leslie Stahl 60 minutes interview? Did you miss Trump’s town hall in Miami a few weeks ago with Savannah Guthrie?
“Likewise, senior members of the GOP should openly tell him to just shut up because he’s only embarrassing himself, his party, and the country.”
Of course they SHOULD. But they have learned that there is no political downside to sticking to Donald Trump. Look at how this week’s elections turned out for them: other than losing the presidency – and a president many of them loathe privately – they have been rewarded politically for sticking with Trump. The Republicans have held (probably) the Senate and gained seats in the House. From their standpoint, why change what’s working? If they can weaken Biden by abetting Trump’s refusal to concede for a bit longer, so be it. If it isn’t going to cost them politically, why not? That’s their way of thinking anyway.
The idea that Republicans would try to be “good people” or act like Americans is long gone – look at how they handled recent Supreme Court confirmation hearings and the impeachment.
lastday: “I wish journalists would start really pushing Trump for facts as he spews his lies. Also maybe one can throw a shoe at Trump like happened to GW Bush. It’s time for the media to stop playing nice with this grotesque failure of a human.”
Yeah, journalists gave up trying to do that long ago – whenever they’ve asked him tough questions, he just launches personal attacks on them.
Dean Wheeler – but it wouldn’t have been turds from a dog…
Yes, semoochie, there was most certainly voter suppression in 2016. E.g. in Wisconsin new voter ID laws reduced voter participation especially among African Americans.
semoochie: “Today, I saw an update that showed that if Biden won all the solid blue and all the likely blue states, he would win, without any of the leaning blue or toss-up states! That’s pretty encouraging! We just need to vote, to make it happen.”
Well, it’s been obvious since 2016 that if Biden were to win all of the Hillary states from 2016 but win PA, MI,and WI – all of which were very close last time – Biden would win the electoral college.
Biden COULD win with only two of the three if he wins Florida…or possibly some other supposed “toss-up states” like MI, WI, and Iowa and Arizona and still lose PA. But his best shot of winning is probably just winning PA, MI, and WI, which were decided in 2016 by about 77,000 votes total.
Nah – Trump won’t flee. He may owe millions, but he has enough assets to pay for lawyers for years to keep himself out of jail. No prosecutor, even in NY, is going to frog march a former president of the United States, even Donald Trump, in handcuffs into custody. He’ll be able to tie up cases in court for years and/or negotiate settlements in the form of fines.
Unless hard evidence emerges that Trump actively aided the Russians, he’ll never serve a day in jail.
Right. This 6-3 Court can do plenty of damage without Trump as president, all on their own…
Brian: “I think Biden wins the popular vote and the EC, but if the SCOTUS upholds Trump’s challenge to the legitimacy of the election (which I absolutely guarantee will happen), we won’t have to worry about any more Presidential elections; our democracy is done.”
The Court will only rule on lower court cases – e.g. Trump sues in PA or WI challenging certain ballots as legitimate (e.g. arriving after election day). But it will really come down to the margins; not every vote thrown out by a Court decision will be a vote for Biden. If Biden wins PA and WI with a big enough margin, the Court decisions will just reduce his margins. Sure, if those states turn out to be super close, and Biden would win only by say one state, then sure, the Court could potentially flip the election. (Though I believe, despite what some people think, that even five conservatives on the Court would be reluctant to overturn an election unless it were a case of massive, obvious fraud.)
Even then, what ultimately matters is who controls Congress on January 6, 2021 and maybe how many delegations each party controls in the House. If there is dispute about conflicting slates of electors, the Congress would decide which ones to accept. the Supreme Court would have no involvement at that point. If Democrats flip the Senate and keep the House, they, not the Court, would choose the electors in a conflict.
Ugh – George Will is not good at predictions. E.g. predicting a week before the 2012 election that Romney would win the electoral college 321-217.
You know what we’d call the jobs numbers for Trump’s first three years if Obama had had them in a third term?
We’d call those job numbers a DECLINE – because more jobs were created in Obama’s last three years than in Trump’s first three. Seriously, you know Republicans would be criticizing Obama for seeing lower job numbers.
Unemployment numbers including historically low numbers for African Americans under Trump had been falling for Obama’s last six years in office and were clearly going to keep falling no matter who took office in January 2017. This is obvious to any objective person. Trump taking credit for the incredible economy he inherited in 2017 from Obama is like the rooster taking credit for the sunrise.