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Nobody knows whats going to happen in the next few weeks, but after the capitol insurgency last week, clearly law enforcement is on high alert everywhere. So there may not be any major disturbances.
Once Biden takes over the government, the feds will be able to be mobilized as needed.
Yep, I agree, edselehr.
I think it’s irrelevant whether the Senate actually starts the trial in time to remove him or not. The House can impeach him without the senate and force the trial. That keeps the heat on Trump – he knows that if he does something horrendous again like order another march on the Capitol or something, the Senate can expedite the trial and boot him out – plus ban him from ever running from office again. The Senate trial can continue even after January 20 and if convicted, then they can vote to ban him from office.
The alternative – where the House says, “Yeah, never mind – we don’t need to impeach him” lets him off the hook and lets rest easier. And we don’t want him to think he can get away with something worse.
Washington Post is reporting: Mitch McConnell is circulating a memo saying any impeachment trial of Trump wouldn’t start until January 19. (On January 20, McConnell loses his job as Majority Leader.) Trump’s trial could still go on after he leaves office – if convicted, he could be banned from holding office again.
Sounds like he was pretty unhinged already, but this won’t help calm him down!
Yep, Andy – they are all political opportunists.
Semoochie: “It looks like Ted Cruz has been faking his admiration for Trump for the last four years, despite what the former did within the last little over 36 hours! Perhaps everyone else will follow.”
You mean, Ted Cruz doesn’t really love the guy who accused his father of murdering JFK? The hell you say…
I doubt it will hurt him with the 74 million Trump voters or the few million 2024 Republican primary voters. And that’s all that matters to him. Look at all the BS Trump got away with that didn’t prevent 74 million people from voting for him last November.
Trump’s statement today was much more contrite than…ever? He came close to condemning the violence and finally admitted a “new administration” would be sworn in on January 20 and that he would cooperate for a peaceful transition of power. Not defiant at all. It’s the speech he should have given two months ago.
Maybe he is suddenly running scared.
The House should impeach anyway as a deterrent. If he steps out of line in the next week, the Senate would have the option to hold a quick trial and boot him. But if the House backs off of impeachment quickly, it will soon be too late – it could be done quickly in the House but not in an hour. Probably takes a few days at at least so would basically need to start tomorrow or the next day to have much impact.
Impeaching Trump just to convict and prevent him from holding office again is still worth doing even if done after he leaves office. Ted Cruz would be thrilled, as it would make his path for 2024 easier.
As horrific as the events of today were, the real problem was the incredibly awful security at the Capitol. Who knew you could basically just walk into the US Capitol almost unimpeded??? We are very lucky some terrorist group didn’t try this earlier and kidnap a bunch of members of Congress or just blow the place up – looks like that would have been ridiculously easy.
I’m thinking someone needs to go down to Home Depot to start and buy some locks for those doors at the Capitol entrance! How about at least locking the f’ing doors next time???
If the Capitol had been secured properly, then they wouldn’t have been let the mob in and it could have been contained to just an ugly scene out front instead of the catastrophe that followed.
Right – at most they get four days to force Trump out before Congress would have to ratify it, and I don’t see how the House votes 2/3 to sustain a removal. I suppose you could argue that they could do BOTH – that four days might be enough time for the House to impeach him, anyway, and keep him out of office until the Senate could vote to convict. But without impeachment, how does pushing him out for only four days help?
I suppose his cabinet could just keep re-filing the 25th Amendment with Congress four days at a time and try to get another four days until January 20th, but I have no idea of the legal issues with such an approach. I’m still skeptical you can get 1/2 of the cabinet to go along with it or if there are even enough confirmed cabinet officers – do “acting” cabinet heads count?
Impeachment could be passed quickly if it had to be. If the Senate had 67 votes to remove him, they have 51 votes to change the rules to allow that to happen.
I don’t understand why people keep mentioning the 25h Amendment. It would be harder to remove Trump that way, because you would need 2/3 of the House to vote to affirm that (as well as 2/3 of the Senate), whereas for impeachment you need 2/3 of the Senate but only a majority of the House – and no input from the cabinet that is largely loyal to Trump.
So you’d need some House Republicans to go along. The House has a sizable group of Trump nuts who are clearly not going to vote to remove him. But in impeachment no Republican votes are required in the House – only about 20 in the Senate (down to 17 once the two new Democrats from Georgia are seated).
It will be interesting how the 50-50 power sharing arrangement will work. This last happened back in 2001, with Dick Cheney breaking ties (for a few months, anyway, until Jim Jeffords defected from the GOP and gave the Democrats a 51-49 majority). Although the VP broke the tie then and will again, they made the committee memberships equal vs. the majority having extra members when one party has more than a 50-50 majority. The Democrats will have the chairmanships but an equal number of members as Republicans. So when nominations are reported out of committees, they would need a Republican vote in each committee to go along. That is, if they choose the same arrangement as in 2001.
Huge upside for the Democrats to control the Senate, obviously, but they aren’t going to get much legislation passed unless they get rid of the filibuster (doubt it). In that case, the huge upside is for cabinet secretaries and judges/justices – Biden will actually be able to get many/most of his choices without burning much political capital. And once a year, there will be a big budget reconciliation bill they can pass with a simple majority in the Senate – so they can raise taxes on the wealthy, which will be important.
But Republicans are going to filibuster almost everything else – again.
Scotland is investigating him too – he might not be safe there…