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Missing: “Well, Amy setup her GOP coming out party just fine. It will go well and she will be welcome. She’s very seriously out of touch. Delivers turds, looks smug.”
Klobuchar is very seriously out of touch…with the loony left. To everyone else, she looked pretty smart and sensible. She got great reviews from her debate performance from all sides. May not be enough to get into serious contention for the nomination, though. Too bad – she would make it extremely difficult for Trump to win Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania again, not to mention Iowa and Ohio. As Tim Ryan said in an earlier debate, Democrats need to become the party of the middle of the country again. Warren and Sanders are not the ones to do that – they on the contrary are probably the worst thing we could do to re-gain the mid-west states.
Missing: “Taibbi is also saying Dems may not win at all, and an impeach plan isn’t a slam dunk, largely because the Dems themselves have corruption going on.”
No, probably not the reason – but for people who believe “both parties are equally corrupt, we need someone pure like Bernie Sanders,” that no doubt is an appealing explanation.
“Trump could decide to air that dirty laundry leaving quite the mess.”
And he hasn’t already because – ?
“Ever wonder about Pelosi’s reluctance, which Trump forced by self-publishing? And her narrow focus of inquiry?
That is why.”
I guess it could be because Pelosi is controlled by aliens from Jupiter, too. But like you, I would be only speculating without any sort of evidence.
The subtitle of the piece is “Americans might soon wish they just waited to vote their way out of the Trump era.”
As I said above, Democrats really didn’t have a choice about impeachment anymore. Taibbi’s presumption is that if Democrats hadn’t moved to impeach Trump, they could just have defeated him in the 2020 election – never mind that he could well have just continued rigging the next election as he was preceding to do. At least now Trump is on the defensive.
The Democratic base would have revolting if the House hadn’t moved toward impeachment after this clear lawbreaking. Who knows what Trump might have done beyond this if the Democrats made it clear they weren’t going to try to stop him.
I think the best way to assure that Trump is not convicted in the Senate is to even threaten to go after Pence, too. Senate Republicans may be pissed at Trump now for more than one reason, but an effort to get Pelosi as president is just never going to happen. No way 20 Republicans will ever vote to do that.
Democrats could try to impeach Pence too, but Republicans will never convict him to make Pelosi president. NEVER. Impeaching Pence would make them look like they are just trying to get rid of both Republican candidates elected in 2016. I’m guessing that support for even impeaching Pence in the House might not be there among Democrats.
Democrats need to have a laser focus on Ukraine and obstruction of justice related to Ukraine for Trump. Period. No side shows with Pence etc. if they have any hope at all at getting Republicans to vote to convict.
I don’t think the Democrats really had/have a choice about impeachment once the Ukraine call story came out. They HAVE to impeach him over this – if not over this, then no president would ever have to worry about being impeached over anything. I think the Democratic base would have revolted, and independent swing voters would have become disgusted.
But I still don’t see any scenario in which Trump would resign.
I don’t really see how Trump would ever resign. The guy has a martyr complex – and if anything, he wants to keep fighting forever. If he gets impeached and convicted, there’s nothing to silence him (unless he’s actually prosecuted in the court system after leaving office and sent to prison or something). He can claim til the end of his days that he was forced out by his enemies. And his loyal supporters will continue to fill arenas hearing him cheer them on.
I don’t think the public opinion polls about impeachment mean any more than they do for a presidential election. Just like the electoral college, not the popular vote, means something in a presidential election, so in an impeachment trial do the polls in each STATE. When the polls in Alabama and South Carolina start trending in favor of impeachment and conviction, then you might have something. Don’t really see that happening – yet.
Republican Senators who might considering a vote for conviction have to contend with being primaried in their states and condemned as traitors by the hard-core Republican base (where, I believe, Trump is STILL popular). Yeah, these Senators may fear for their re-election chances in say 2020 if they are up based on their impeachment/convict vote, but that cuts both ways. They could lose a general election due to voting not to convict…but if they can’t even win the Republican primary, what difference does it make?
I do hope 20 Republican Senators come to their senses and do the right thing for the country, but I’m still not betting on it.
I’m sure Sanders is a shoe-in to win the nomination now.
I don’t “remember” them obviously, but the Harding and Grant Administrations might give the Trump Administration a run for its money. I guess most of us hoped those bad-old-days were behind us…October 7, 2019 at 4:49 pm in reply to: Sanders Artery Clogged 2 stents All Campaign Events Canceled #42798
Missing: “There is a difference between the primary and the general election. And there’s no pretending in any of that. Sanders kicked ass. Not really debatable.”
Actually, it is debatable. Other than Martin O’Malley, Clinton had no other real primary opponent. You are fooling yourself if you think at least some of the Sanders primary voters weren’t voting for the candidate named “Not Hillary Clinton.”October 7, 2019 at 1:17 pm in reply to: Sanders Artery Clogged 2 stents All Campaign Events Canceled #42791
Missing: “He did great! Over 40 percent of delegates. For a campaign that started in Vermont back yards, 60 points down, it’s a totally respectable showing.”
You might stop pretending that everyone who voted for Sanders in the primary was a big supporter of his. I have a couple of friends who voted for him simply because they didn’t much care for Clinton, but once she won the nomination, they supported her enthusiastically – not because they suddenly liked her better, but because they were realists, smart people who knew that supporting Clinton in the general election was crucial to the country’s future.
Most likely, Sanders isn’t going to win anywhere close to 40% of the delegates this time.September 26, 2019 at 3:32 pm in reply to: Trump asks Ukrainian president to help Giuliani w/ investigation of Biden's son #42626
Andy: “So far (and admittedly it’s not been long enough for enough polling to have taken place) there has been a distinct increase in public support for impeachment.”
It’s only been a week. I would expect it to go up.
However, I’m wondering if the House Democrats should drag this out too long. You know the Republican propagandists will be out in force over the next few months, pounding on this issue over and over again, and it can have an effect. I think the Democrats should not wait too long but also not rush ahead too quickly. Wouldn’t want to see them drag this out til say January – but I’d guess that’s how it will play out.September 26, 2019 at 3:10 pm in reply to: Trump asks Ukrainian president to help Giuliani w/ investigation of Biden's son #42624
texter: “My bet is that Trump will not be impeached. It’s bluster. They don’t have the courage (or any legal basis) to follow through with it.”
As Gerald Ford once said: the grounds for impeachment are whatever the House says they are. There is no “legal basis” in the Constitution for impeachment. They can vote to impeach Trump because his name has only one syllable if they choose, if they decide that constitutes “high crimes and misdemeanors.” It’s not a court proceeding; it’s a political act.
The only question is – how will the people react? We know the low information dim bulbs on the right will support Trump no matter what, just like they did Nixon. But how will the real Americans react? If a majority of them support an impeachment, that’s all the political cover the House Democrats need – dim bulbs be damned.
An unbiased observer would note that there has been a massive shift toward impeachment in the Democratic Congress in the last week since this story broke. The dimbulbs will deny anything has changed, that all Democrats in the House have always wanted Trump impeached at any cost, but that is simply false.September 26, 2019 at 10:15 am in reply to: Trump asks Ukrainian president to help Giuliani w/ investigation of Biden's son #42614
texter: “Joe Biden used the power of his vice-presidency to stop the Ukrainian government from continuing the investigation of his son’s very profitable but shady dealings. Why isn’t this the story?”
Because…not true? That would be the most obvious guess. If you want fantasy and conspiratorial bullshit, stick to Fox.September 24, 2019 at 9:55 pm in reply to: Trump asks Ukrainian president to help Giuliani w/ investigation of Biden's son #42584
Biden is too old. We need a young guy like Bernie Sanders instead.September 22, 2019 at 3:39 pm in reply to: Trump asks Ukrainian president to help Giuliani w/ investigation of Biden's son #42527
Naturally, Republicans are responding to Trump’s Ukraine initiative by calling for an investigation of Biden – e.g. Lindsey Graham. Would be like calling for an investigation of the DNC after the Watergate break-in in 1972.