You might be a HypoChristian if..

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  • #33545

    Amus
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    You might be a HypoChristian if..

    …you won’t bake a cake for a gay couple, but you’re cool with a pedophile in the Senate.

    #33546

    Amus
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    You might be a HypoChristian if..

    …you’re this guy, or if you give any credence to him.

    #33548

    cbaravelli
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    The core claim in Colorado v. Phillips is that Phillips is essentially being compelled to create expression he does not wish to produce, violating his First Amendment right to free speech. Not religion.
    IF free speech is speech which agrees with your speech, then IT is fair speech. Do y’all really want to go down that hole?

    #33549

    Brianl
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    Phillips is in business, a for-profit venture, to bake cakes. He has a business license that he has to pay for from the state of Colorado.

    Part of having said business license means that you have to abide by the laws of the state. And part of that, that IS enforced, is that services rendered cannot be denied based on a person’s minority status (whatever that may be). And since Colorado protects the LGBT community in its Civil Rights statute, Phillips cannot legally deny a gay couple a cake.

    Of course, there are ways to circumvent this; Phillips could be “too busy” to fit in their order, etc. My guess is that Phillips wasn’t smart enough to figure that out.

    #33550

    Alfredo_T
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    One argument that could be made against the bakers who won’t make gay wedding cakes is that they are more like restaurants that refuse to seat gay patrons or DJs/bands who refuse to play gay weddings.

    One might even go as far as to say that free speech would only apply if the baker were to bake (rather than refuse to bake) a cake to convey a message. Likewise, no legal challenge would be raised against a band that performed songs with homophobic lyrics. Please do note that the caveat here is that I’m neither a lawyer or judge; this is just my feeble understanding of the matter. The Supreme Court will do the final gavel banging.

    #33551

    Amus
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    I don’t really give a shit about the details of Colorado v. Phillips.

    Bigots are bigots and hypocrites are hypocrites.

    And there is no hypocrite quite so hypocritty at a HypoChristian.

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    #33554

    cbaravelli
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    “Tolerance is essential in a free society. Tolerance is most meaningful when it’s mutual,” – Chief Justice Kennedy during Colorado v. Phillips oral arguments.
    Colorado Human Rights Commission also came under criticism for its formal decision to favor one protected class over a non-protected class. Seems the HRC was bored.
    Under a Constitutional Republic, states have the right to regulate in-state commerce. However, the governing authority is the United States Constitution – Amendment One:
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    It is an interesting question.

    #33555

    Brianl
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    States are allowed to amend their constitution, so long as it does not violate or supersede the United States Conatitution.

    While there is no federal law that includes the LGBT folks in the Civil Rights act, the Supreme Court has stated that gay marriage is a basic, constitutionally protected right, per the 14th Amendment. Many states, including Colorado, DO have LGBT protections in their Civil Rights laws.

    Where states cannot override the US Constitution is if they violate those rights. Example: once gay marriage was legal nationally, states were forced to honor them. May I remind you of Kim Davis.

    #33556

    Alfredo_T
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    This same baker can freely “speak” by baking a “ONE MAN ONE WOMAN” cake and donating it to a church event. I am sure that the press this generates would help him to lose business.

    #33557

    Andy Brown
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    You might be a HypoChristian if..

    or you may be in a similar situation, and if your in a
    Situation like that there’s only one thing you can do and that’s walk into The shrink wherever you are, just walk in say “Shrink, You can get anything you want, at Alice’s restaurant. “. And walk out. You know, if
    One person, just one person does it they may think he’s really sick and
    They won’t take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony,
    They may think they’re both faggots and they won’t take either of them.
    And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in
    Singin a bar of Alice’s Restaurant and walking out. They may think it’s an
    Organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day, I said
    Fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice’s Restaurant and
    Walking out. And friends they may thinks it’s a movement.

    #33559

    edselehr
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    Here’s a nice, mostly down-the-middle summary of Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission

    Each side wants to argue a different case. Masterpiece Cakeshop wants it to be a freedom of speech/religion case, and CCRC sees it as a discrimination case over sexual orientation, with no real freedom of speech elements. Both sides make interesting and compelling arguments.

    #33563

    Broadway
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    #33564

    cbaravelli
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    And friends, they may thinks it’s a movement.
    And this, boys and girls, is how Adolph Hitler started the National Socialist party.
    Look. I love my dog and my dog loves me. What we do behind closed doors is nobody’s business. Especially that bitch collie across the street.
    I fail to see the hypo-Christacy of not baking a cake for a LGBTPQRS faggot wedding.

    #33567

    Amus
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    Special rights…..

    What the the HypoChristian crowd wants is;

    Special rights for people with imaginary friends.

    #33568

    cbaravelli
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    Ridiculous! What ‘special rights’? Freedom from persecution of one belief system by another? Those who do not believe something will believe anything.

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