US becoming less Christian

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  • #10625
    Amus
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    Let’s Take the points one at a time and see why the Christian Right as practiced in America today would find this objectionable;

    We’d Have To Abolish the 2nd Amendment.
    We need the 2nd Amendment & the right to bear arms so we can kill;
    Abortionists.
    Spicks crossing the Southern Border.
    Ni&&ers when they get uppity.
    Federal Agents when they try to enforce grazing rights.
    Because that’s what Jesus would do.

    We’d Have to Replace the Department of Defense with the Department of Enemy Love.
    We need the Military so we can wipe out all those icky brown people that worship the wrong Gods with funny names when they get between us and “OUR” oil!
    Also see the 2nd Amendment above.
    After all, remember, Jesus is not against violence.
    Remember how He slaughtered all those money changers in the temple.

    We’d Have to End Capital Punishment.
    Come on!
    We all know that Jesus was all about killing the incarcerated especially since those Spicks, Ni&&ers & icky brown people above , are by far the vast majority of the incarcerated.

    Eradicating Poverty Would Be One of Our Most Pressing Concerns.
    What?
    We need the poor. Without them we could not offer them the occasional pittance and feel all warm and sanctimonious about ourselves.

    We’d Freely Care for the Sick.
    The sick are mostly responsible for their own plight.
    “Let ’em die”!
    When it comes to AIDS?!? Don’t get me started.
    God hates Fags and they get what’s coming to them.

    We’d Become The Most Loving Nation Toward Immigrants.
    See “Icky Brown People” above.

    We’d Do Away with the Pledge of Allegiance.
    If we make Christianity the State Religion, we could change the flag accordingly and do both at the same time.
    Problem solved.

    We’d Pay Our Taxes Without Complaining About It.
    No No No!
    Too much already goes to the Spicks, Ni&&ers, and other icky brown people above.
    We’d only enable their lazy ways.
    And we need the poor. Without them we could not offer them the occasional pittance and feel all warm and sanctimonious about ourselves.

    #10630
    Alfredo_T
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    Ironically, many people in the US, especially those that self-identify as conservative Christians, would consider the characteristics outlined in the piece that Chris linked to be aspects of a socialist country.

    According to this story, Jesus was not very thrilled about commercial activity and money.

    In the past, I have heard the viewpoint that feudal societies were much closer to fitting the Christian ideal outlined than the United States ever has been (or ever could be within the framework set out in the Constitution). In feudal societies,

    • If the king was Christian, his kingdom was Christian, end of story.
    • Clergy were recognized as a specific social class (the others were the nobles and serfs).
    • There was no reason for the serfs or clergy to own weapons. It was the nobles’ job to protect their territory.
    • There was no money. Serfs produced the food and in exchange, the nobles provided land for them to live on and protection.
    #10632
    Amus
    Participant

    Some good reading on the topic;

    From Jesus’ socialism to capitalistic Christianity
    -By Gregory Paul

    #10639
    Broadway
    Participant

    >>Where is this gentleman wrong?
    EVERYTHING…the whole article is PC laced…
    Talk about using scripture to giveyour political view.
    Helping…feeding the poor is the only thing I’d give em.
    That’s what I do.

    #10640
    Amus
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    We need the poor. Without them we could not offer them the occasional pittance and feel all warm and sanctimonious about ourselves.

    #10641
    Vitalogy
    Participant

    The fact that the US is becoming less CHAINED to a religion is good news. More proof that evolution does indeed occur in our species.

    #10642
    mwdxer1
    Participant

    I remember what my step mother used to say, who was a conservative Seventh Day Adventist. She was liberal in many ways, but her comment about the Religious Right was, she did not want any religion dictating what anyone should or should not believe. I find a lot of people that call themselves Christian (follower of Christ), not to be involved with any church. A person doesn’t have to be involved with a church to live a Christian life. Sometimes being involved with a church is not that great.

    #10644
    Chris_Taylor
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    As someone who has been taking a break from church for the past year or so, it’s been an interesting time. I miss the regular contact with friends. I miss the adult education classes and small groups. I miss playing music with my peeps.
    I do stay in touch with many folks at my old church, and they have written privately to me letting me know how much I’m missed. I really appreciate that.

    What I’ve not missed is the constant dual standard. “We are a welcoming church…” which is code for, “yes, you’re welcome but if your gay, you’re really not welcome so don’t expect us to change…”

    Homosexuality has so overtaken the conservative church’s ability to think about anything else. It’s their one-trick ideology. And if that goes away, well, slavery will be vogue again.

    I am thankful for thoughtful writers like the one I posted. I’ve known many former fundamentalists and hard right leaning conservatives (some former pastors), who are recovering conservatives. They are embarrassed how they treated others years ago, and now live the most transparent, honest, and yes, Christian lives. No pretense. I love being around these folks.

    #10647
    skeptical
    Participant

    Wiki: Unitarian Universalism is a liberal religion characterized by a “free and responsible search for truth and meaning”. Unitarian Universalists do not share a creed but are unified by their shared search for spiritual growth. As such the Unitarian Universalist Church (UU) counts many agnostics, theists and atheists as among its membership.

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    Now this is a church worthy of buying a jet for.

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    Here’s a photo of a UU church. You will NEVER see a sign like this in front of Broadway’s church:

    #10663
    Chris_Taylor
    Participant

    I love this guy. Not John, so much, but his Reza Aslan on John Stewart.

    #10689
    Amus
    Participant

    So here’s a novel approach.

    Mandatory Church Attendance.

    #10761
    chickenjuggler
    Participant

    I believe we are a transitional generation. Too many threats have not come to fruition. Too many slippery slopes haven’t come about. Too many hypocrisies have been exposed. Too many people in power used its power for bad. Not enough for good. You blew it. This is the result.

    Organized religion over-reached, did a lot of harm and our current belief system just doesn’t support it blindly any longer.

    And I’m thrilled to see us having an honest conversation about why. Take your lumps and if there is a god and he asks why I feel away, I feel fully justified in saying “Can you blame me? You sent me a TON of signals to move along. I did.”

    #10778
    missing_kskd
    Participant

    That resonates with many of the conversations I’ve had about religion the last few years. And to be perfectly fair, if we differentiate god from religion, organized religion, who is to say those signals aren’t entirely valid?

    This Pope seems to get that. Or at least his actions seem to resonate with where many people are. What I find notable is discussions that include the Pope. Prior to this one, those basically didn’t happen. Now it is, and that honest conversation seems more prominent.

    My interest is largely centered on religion adding value. Where it does that, it’s good. Maybe this transition means a move to that mode being more dominant.

    #10820
    Chris_Taylor
    Participant

    In a long Q&A session at Politics & Prose Bookstore in Washington, D.C in late summer 2013, Resa Aslan admitted that religion has done a world of hurt. But in the same breath mentions, that, if you choose to blame religion for all the worlds ills, you need to know how much good religion has done as well.

    If you have any interest, here’s the link to the Q&A. I loved it.

    #10821
    skeptical
    Participant

    But if one lists the pros and cons of religion, one can easily see why it is time to get behind a different kind of “feel good” movement.

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