October 19, 2020 at 10:36 pm #48359
Agree: Biden doesn’t need a third debate. The debate commission said today they are going to mute the candidate’s microphone when the other one is speaking – and it seems hard to imagine that Trump will accept that condition. He has already been complaining that the commission isn’t going to focus the entire debate on foreign policy. Maybe Trump is just looking for an excuse to back out of it – but he really needs that debate, because he losing badly. It probably doesn’t matter – unless Biden really messes up at the debate, he’s going to win the election easily.October 21, 2020 at 3:47 pm #48396BobParticipant
Win the election easily? Along with what appear to be pretty big Trump crowds, there’s this:October 21, 2020 at 4:06 pm #48397
Chris, I think Klobuchar would be good since she’s respected by both parties in Congress and is a consensus type person. Unfortuneately, she got tainted by her lack of action as AG dealing with thug cops on her watch.
Tulsi Gabbord from Hawaii is also pretty good, but unfortuntely she never sparked any fires.
Buttigieg is also pretty good, just a little short on experience yet. I suspect his sexual orientation would have had some negataive effect with some voters.
Biden was not without choices I would have found acceptable.October 21, 2020 at 6:35 pm #48400
Bob: “Win the election easily? Along with what appear to be pretty big Trump crowds, ”
The size of Trump’s crowds is irrelevant in the Covid age when the Biden campaign is intentionally avoiding these unsafe rallies. Mitt Romney had huge crowds too leading up to the 2012 election by the way. Poor Mitt was so convinced he was going to beat Obama from the enthusiastic receptions he was getting that he didn’t even prepare a concession speech.October 21, 2020 at 6:42 pm #48401
Deane, you do understand why Biden’s choice of Kamala Harris was smart politics this year, even if you don’t care for her personally? One reason (among many) that Clinton lost such a close election in 2016 was that black turnout was down significantly – in an election that was ultimately decided by about 77,000 total votes over three states.
Preliminary surveys show that black voters who have not voted since 2008 are voting this year – we don’t know if they are voting for Biden, but most of them probably are. We don’t know that they wouldn’t be voting for Biden anyway, but when the first potential female black VP is on the ticket, that gives African Americans an extra incentive to vote for a historic first – and that might matter in a few close states like Pennsylvania.
Harris certainly wasn’t my preferred choice for VP either in terms of governing – Klobuchar was my first choice. But I also thought Harris was the smart choice politically. Biden needs to win first before he can have any VP.October 22, 2020 at 2:36 am #48407
I understand clearly why he chose her. Basically that adds up to confirming that Biden would throw America under the bus just to get elected.October 22, 2020 at 7:26 am #48408radiogeekParticipant
And Trump hasn’t thrown America under the bus to line his pockets, attempt immunity from prosecution, and burnish his ego?October 22, 2020 at 10:07 am #48409
No, Deane, the majority of people don’t think Biden is “throwing America under the bus” by picking Harris. I didn’t say I dislike her – she just wasn’t at the top of my list for VP. I was happy when he picked her, but I was expecting him to choose her. This choice gave him the best chance to win, and I still think he made a great choice, the obvious choice.
Although I’m sure some conservatives fear Harris, I think much of what they fear is greatly overblown.October 22, 2020 at 10:43 am #48410Andy BrownParticipant
There is no credible reason to re-elect drumpf. None.
Conservatives?? If you want to talk about what got thrown under the bus by drumpf, look no further than the conservative agenda (of old). If you want to see how many powerful conservatives feel just look at all their anti drumpf ads promoting Biden.
The sycophantic brain dead base continues to shrink. The NYT writes:
“The decline, a demographic glacier driven largely by aging, has continued since 2016. The number of voting-age white Americans without college degrees has dropped by more than five million in the past four years, while the number of minority voters and college-educated white voters has collectively increased by more than 13 million in the same period. In key swing states, the changes far outstrip Mr. Trump’s narrow 2016 margins.“October 22, 2020 at 11:57 am #48411Chris_TaylorParticipant
Adding to Andy’s point, Milennials are now overtaking the Baby Boomers as the next political power in play when it comes to voting. They are far more eclectic in diversity, not only in ethnicity but in how they grew up in a more friendly LGBTQ environment, Black Lives Matter world. They are becoming a generation to not underestimate.
They are making different choices than us boomers, in part, based on economics. Many can’t afford a house. Many don’t drive. They’re choosing not to have children or waiting until their older. I saw that trend beginning with some of my boomer friends.
I hear many of my boomer friends telling me how clueless Milennials are, and some of that may be true, but when I was their age, I was pretty clueless as well.
Having Melennial children has actually been eye-opening…(Having children in general is that way)…Even with the wonderful parents I grew up with, I didn’t embrace all of their choices or values…or I modified them. My kids are doing the same and I think it’s important for them and their generation to cut through some of the junk we boomers did.
All this to say, when a Melinnial looks at Trump and Biden they see two old white guys and politics as usual. Whereas, with Kamala, they see more of what they’ve grown up with, a strong woman of color who doesn’t take any crap, particularly from old white men. I think she’ll be a good ear for Biden if he wins.
There is a ton of luggage that Trump has opened up that will be with us for quite some time – and if Biden wins, there will be many hot issues he’ll have to deal with. A big one is White Suprememacy/Nationalism.
The Atlantic has put together a new documentary 4 years in the making. It’s called White Noise. Here’s the trailer. This is scary shit, folks.October 22, 2020 at 1:13 pm #48412
Chris: Just for the record, the Atlantic is a piece of crap with a publisher who hates Trump. That makes anything they print valueless.
Andrew: I don’t think there are many people who dislike Biden. Mostly because he has never done anything much one way or another. Sort of a never was. What’s to dislike.
It’s his choice of VP that I dislike. She can’t do much as VP, but she’s next in line if he croaks or has a stroke. Or, it’s setting her up for more strength in politics in general.
I’ll take Trump over socialism any day. His goals are good, it’s his execution and judgement on those things that are lousy, or worse.
Liberals tend to have far more capacity for hate than I do. We’re all different.October 22, 2020 at 1:27 pm #48413lastdayParticipant
Deane, you don’t have to answer this but are you collecting Social Security or on Medicare? Just curious how you feel about those socialist benefits.October 22, 2020 at 1:29 pm #48414
Deane: “I’ll take Trump over socialism any day. His goals are good, it’s his execution and judgement on those things that are lousy, or worse.”
It’s a strawman argument. The kind of “socialism” you and others seem to fear is not coming to the United States anytime soon no matter who the president is. Even if Democrats control both houses of Congress and Harris becomes president, don’t expect huge changes beyond cleaning up Trump’s messes. Expect huge tax increases on the wealthy and some sort of improvement to the Affordable Care Act and maybe some sort of police reform bill that doesn’t “defund” the police” and not a whole lot else.
I’m not sure which Trump policies you approve of – big tax cuts for the wealthy that are paid for with borrowing? Creating fewer jobs in his first three years in office than Obama did in his last three years? Putting kids in cages? Thumbing his nose at Congress when they try to fulfill their role for oversight? (During the Ukraine scandal.) If you are worried about a President Harris, you should be a lot more worried about what she would be able to do thanks to the examples Trump has set: ignore Congress and take money from the Pentagon for whatever you want. She would never been able to do that kind of stuff before Trump did it – but hey, now Republicans need to STFU about it in the future because they said it was fine when Trump did it.October 22, 2020 at 1:38 pm #48415
Lastday: Yes, and Yes. I paid into both for 60+ years. I’m perfectly happy to have invested my money in that benefit and be collecting now.October 22, 2020 at 1:50 pm #48416Andy BrownParticipant
As usual Deane avoids the tough questions specifically how true conservatives do not support the current president. As usual Deane avoids the fact that conservatives never had an agenda that included separating immigrant children from their parents or letting the big polluters destroy the air and water to the extent that we have now. He feebly offers that “his goals are good.” Sure, Deane, not only is drumpf’s endearment of Putin and Kim Jong Un a “good goal” but also has been a long standing part of the GOP platform. NOT.
Fact is the drumpf administration has no “platform.” The orange turd has yet to spell out what a second term agenda would be, because his personal agenda is all that matters to him.
Deane’s ongoing fear of socialism is just an old, tired and weak trope still being used by the illiterate and weak. Don’t expect him to respond to your inquiry, Lastday. We’ve brought up those examples to him before and he’ll tell you he doesn’t need them. Deane thinks he worked hard all his life and he’ll be damned before he’s going to support some damn librul giving his wealth to those that need help.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.