The Seeds of Trump's Victory Were Sown the Moment Obama Won

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  • #32477
    Vitalogy
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    #32479
    cbaravelli
    Spectator

    ‘Race Relations’ are the worst since the late 60’s. I was there. Divide et Impera.

    #32481
    Vitalogy
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    Whose to blame?

    Hint, it’s the persecuted white folks!

    #32485
    cbaravelli
    Spectator

    Yup.

    #32488
    Andy Brown
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    With a racist president like drumpf setting such a cretinous tone in Washington it will only get worse.

    #32491
    Andrew
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    Joy-Ann Reid is not wrong – but I think she’s telling half the story: how Trump won, not how Clinton lost.

    There are always racist voters. In 2016, Trump inspired more of them to vote for him than voted for Romney in 2012 – but Clinton got fewer votes too. For example, had Clinton won as many votes in Pennsylvania as the black guy got in 2012 (2,990,274) she would have beat Trump’s 2,970,333 and would have won Pennsylvania. (She got only 2.926,441.) How can you blame only “racism” if the black candidate’s vote total would have beaten Trump?

    But Gary Johnson’s and Jill Stein’s vote count surged in PA also(both were on PA’s ballot in 2012 too). It’s clear that Clinton lost PA not just because of racism but because she was a vulnerable candidate – and too many idiots believed the conspiracy theories about her being “corrupt.”

    Had the Democrats run a less vulnerable candidate in 2016, someone who could have matched Obama’s vote totals from 2012, that candidate would have beaten Trump. So, it’s too simple and not accurate to say, “Trump won / Clinton lost only because of racism.” And we wouldn’t be talking about the surge of racism now had Trump lost like he was expected to.

    #32493
    cbaravelli
    Spectator

    Like Bush the Younger and Obama, we’re stuck with Trump for another 7+ years. Americans do like their royalty.

    #32494
    Andrew
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    Depends on the state of the economy in 2020 – and on what type of challenger the Democrats can nominate by then. Incumbent presidents are usually re-elected, but Trump is no ordinary incumbent. His approval numbers are staggeringly low for a first-year president without obvious bad things to be blamed on him happening in the country.

    #32496
    Andy Brown
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    “we’re stuck with Trump for another 7+ years. Americans do like their royalty.”

    Unlikely for many reasons but the most poignant is his lack of and declining since inauguration – popular support.

    #32501
    cbaravelli
    Spectator

    Nobody likes anybody these days:
    Trump 42%
    Clinton 30%
    House 14%
    Senate 11%
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com

    #32502
    paulwalker
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    I agree with Vit on this. When Obama was elected there was an unfortunate backlash from some white voters who would not, or could not accept his victory. This is sad indeed.

    While most white voters don’t fall into this category, there were enough to make Trump the next POTUS. It may well have happened in 2012, but Romney just wasn’t strong enough to win.

    While I truly believe Trump is unfit for office, I will give him points for masterfully gauging the mood of the electorate and telling them what they wanted to hear, despite his almost complete failure in making good on his promises.

    #32503
    Andrew
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    So if 2016 was all about race, then wouldn’t the white Democratic candidate get MORE votes than the last black Democratic candidate, not FEWER votes? Even if Romney in 2012 had matched Trump’s 2016 vote totals, he still would have lost to Obama. (Romney polled slightly better in 2012 than Trump did in Wisconsin )

    #32504
    paulwalker
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    But the intangibles are missing in your argument, Andrew. Like Trump (or his advisors) sensing a mood, where Romney had no clue. But to your point, Hillary did herself no favors.

    #32505
    Andrew
    Participant

    As I said above, the race-appeal of Trump was half the story of his win/Clinton’s defeat. He increased Romney’s vote totals in PA and Michigan (and matched in Wisconsin) but Clinton’s declined, because she was a weak, vulnerable candidate.

    If it was all about race, the white candidate would have gotten more, not fewer voters than the last black candidate.

    #32508
    Vitalogy
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    The story is, how Trump won being a racist candidate. He may have lost a lot of votes because of this, but he gained more.

    Trump is an openly racist person, anyone supporting him also supports racism, and there’s just no way around that.

    It’s really all he’s got going and the the USA has no shortage of racists.

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