State of the Union speech

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  • #5765
    Vitalogy
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    Obama killed it. He should have just come out and said “SCOREBOARD”. GOP loses on all fronts.

    The GOP looked childish by not clapping for the gains we’ve made since THEY fucked shit up.

    And then we have Joni Ernst with they the reply. Are you kidding me?

    The GOP is just plain pathetic.

    #5767
    skeptical
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    I won, twice.

    #5768
    missing_kskd
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    Great speech.

    He’s put some good agenda items out there, as well as highlighting obstruction multiple times.

    #5769
    Deane Johnson
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    Within two weeks or less, nobody will remember anything he said, including Obama.

    #5771
    jerry1949
    Spectator

    GOP loses on all fronts.

    Except they won the last election. It was HUGE.

    #5772
    duxrule
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    Machts nichts.

    #5773
    Amus
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    “Republicans in 2014 were the most popular girl at a party no one attended. Voter turnout was awful.”

    Signs point to a GOP Majority ending in 2016 and not returning anytime soon.

    http://goplifer.com/2014/11/06/a-reality-check-on-the-2014-results/

    #5774
    missing_kskd
    Participant

    But the GOP issues DIDN’T WIN.

    That’s the real message.

    Obama put the stuff people want in the State Of The Union speech, and those things are not on the GOP agenda.

    The GOP is still bent on eliminating most Government in favor of privatization. That and tax cuts to the wealthy aren’t shown to make us better off.

    Unless they actually do make material contributions to improving the opportunity for ordinary Americans, this nice election result won’t mean anything.

    They got that nice result due to low turnout, and I suspect, due to obstruction. Now that they can actually govern, they need to govern.

    Whether or not they do that remains to be seen, and it will very significantly impact their future election results.

    This isn’t a simple numbers game.

    Notably, when Obama won. Twice. And when the Democrats won, did the GOP actually recognize that?

    Hell no they didn’t.

    We got: “help them fail”, “make them fail”, “make him fail”, “hope he fails”, “One term President…”

    None of which has anything at all to do with why they are in office.

    Obama is going to go down in history as a very high quality President who had to navigate some very difficult political environments. And he has done so well.

    Each of us dislikes some of his choices. I know I do. But I have no doubts as to his Presidency being a very good one.

    The GOP?

    Fucking clown show. Seriously. They don’t have anybody anywhere near the caliber of Obama on deck, and it’s debatable as to that even being true for the up and coming Democrats.

    Now, F&B, you keep hold of that win. The rest of us can look at facts, and like I’ve put here a lot, fact based, data driven policy is where the real answers are, and it’s where our plausible, possible, practical, solid futures lie too.

    Bumper sticker bull shit won’t cut it long term, and neither will obstruction.

    #5776
    Andy Brown
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    F&B “It was huge”

    No, not only was it not huge it also will pale in comparison to the backlash after two years of further gridlock. Some GOP senators won narrow victories in ’14 and will face a much bigger Democrat inclusive electorate in ’16. Also, the Democrats need only win back 4 seats and there are probably at least ten GOP Senators at high risk of losing in ’16. With 24 seats at risk, the GOP would have to run the table which in a presidential election year is near impossible, especially since they don’t have a presidential candidate that can win against the blue wall (previously documented). In addition, seven seats held by Republicans — Florida, Illinois, Iowa, New Hampshire, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — were carried by President Obama in 2008 and 2012. The Democrats have only 10 seats up for reelection and only two vulnerabilities with Harry Reid and freshman Michael Bennet in Colorado. Do the math. Of the 10 most vulnerable seats, Republicans hold eight. Here’s a few of them:

    1. Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.)

    Kirk narrowly defeated a scandal-plagued Democratic candidate by less than 2 points in the 2010 Republican wave election. In the 2016 presidential election year, he will likely face a much more Democratic electorate.

    2. Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.)

    Polls show Johnson isn’t that well-known or well-liked in Democratic-leaning Wisconsin, where he won by 5 points in the 2010 GOP wave.

    He may face a rematch against Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) in a high-turnout election year. Adding to his worries: No GOP presidential nominee has carried Wisconsin in more than three decades.

    3. Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.)

    Toomey faces a potential rematch against former Rep. Joe Sestak (D-Pa.), who he defeated by a narrow margin in 2010.

    4. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.)

    Rubio has said he won’t run for both reelection and the presidency, and the swing-state seat would become a tossup if he decides to focus on a White House bid.

    5. Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.). If Gov. Maggie Hassan (D), who won reelection Tuesday with 53 percent of the vote, decides to take on freshman Sen. Kelly Ayotte ®, the seat is at risk. There is also considerable chatter among conservative activists about a primary challenge to Ayotte, though it remains to be seen whether a serious one might materialize. And, just to make things more complicated, Ayotte is likely to be in the vice presidential mix no matter who wins the Republican presidential nomination.

    6. Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) is up for reelection in 2016, and even if he doesn’t retire — he has raised very little money the past two years, which is usually a precursor to retirement — he is likely to find himself targeted.

    Do some independent research and go you will find that odds are against the GOP holding on to the Senate in the upcoming presidential election year. There is very little (that’s generous, there’s nothing) to support your fantasy. The GOP will field a moderate candidate for president and that will totally sink like a lead balloon. The GOP hard right is poised to block any moderate proposal in the Senate and Obama will veto anything radically right winged.

    What I mean to say is that your “big” victory was over before it even happened. It may until after election ’16 until you realize it, but that’s your problem. The big GOP wave in ’14 wasn’t “big” and it wasn’t a “wave.” It was an election with few interested voters and few GOP seats at risk. The results were hardly something that a sane person would pin their hopes on for the future.

    #5781
    Vitalogy
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    Despite Campaigning on Pork-cutting Family Living “Within Our Means,” Sen. Ernst’s Kin Took Over $460,000 in Farm Subsidies.

    https://www.districtsentinel.com/despite-campaigning-pork-cutting-family-living-within-means-sen-ernsts-kin-took-460000-farm-subsidies/

    Good old fashioned GOP hypocrisy at it’s finest!

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