Religious Freedom Matters

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  • #8892
    Amus
    Participant

    Oh Good!

    The thrice divorced,Drug Addict and Sex Tourist that Social Conservatives love weighs in!

    #8895
    missing_kskd
    Participant

    I’m laughing!

    Seriously, quoting Limbaugh is all bat shit.

    Go big. Please. We can get this all resolved more quickly.

    Thanks.

    #8896
    jerry1949
    Spectator

    So what’s really going on here? A toxic combination of anti-Christian bigotry and sexual revolution radicalism. It is simply uninformed and bigoted to believe that Christians are somehow lurking in the shadows, ready to deny food, shelter, and basic services to their gay fellow citizens — blocked from such vicious actions only by the strong arm of the state. In my entire life as an Evangelical, I’ve never met a fellow Christian who wouldn’t gladly serve a gay customer. If there are exceptions to that nearly-universal rule, they are so marginal (and marginalized) in the Christian community that they’re irrelevant not only to Christendom but also to the body politic.

    But the Left, ever-vigilant against group-based slights on behalf of favored constituencies, is only too eager to label orthodox Christians as threats to the public.

    This bigotry has a purpose. It serves to demonize the last significant constituency standing in the way of sexual revolution radicalism. After all, unless you demonize your opposition, the general public will have little appetite for forcing Christians to pay for abortion pills, forcing Christian groups to open up to atheist leadership, or forcing Christian bakers or photographers to help celebrate events they find morally offensive. After all, there’s no clamor for requiring Kosher delis to stock pork or requiring gay lawyers to represent the Westboro Baptist Church.

    While RFRAs protect people of all faiths, from peyote-smoking Native Americans to Bible-toting florists, the Left’s outrage is narrowly targeted — against the Christian people whose livelihoods they seek to ruin, whose consciences they seek to appropriate, and whose organizations they seek to disrupt. #BoycottIndiana isn’t a cry for freedom. It’s nothing more than an online mob, seeking to bully those it hates.

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/416176/want-evidence-hysterical-anti-christian-bigotry-look-no-further-boycottindiana-david

    #8897
    missing_kskd
    Participant

    So what’s really going on here?

    Remember the formula?

    Deny
    Accuse
    Reverse
    Victim and Oppressor

    It’s all right there above, perfectly done.

    #8898
    Vitalogy
    Participant

    One Restaurant Already Celebrated ‘Religious Liberty’ By Turning Away Gays.

    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/03/28/3640221/indiana-business-owner-admits-discriminating-lgbt-people/

    #8900
    missing_kskd
    Participant

    Anonymous too. If he has it right, why not stand tall and be proud?

    #8901
    jerry1949
    Spectator

    Seriously, quoting Limbaugh is all bat shit.

    Dodge.

    #8902
    missing_kskd
    Participant

    Deny: I’ve never met a fellow Christian who wouldn’t gladly serve a gay customer

    Accuse: But the Left, ever-vigilant against group-based slights on behalf of favored constituencies, is only too eager to label orthodox Christians as threats to the public.

    Reverse: After all, unless you demonize your opposition, the general public will have little appetite for forcing Christians to pay for abortion pills, forcing Christian groups to open up to atheist leadership, or forcing Christian bakers or photographers to help celebrate events they find morally offensive.

    Victim and Oppressor: the Left’s outrage is narrowly targeted — against the Christian people whose livelihoods they seek to ruin, whose consciences they seek to appropriate, and whose organizations they seek to disrupt. #BoycottIndiana isn’t a cry for freedom. It’s nothing more than an online mob, seeking to bully those it hates.

    #8903
    missing_kskd
    Participant

    Limbaugh is a buffoon.

    He is correctly advocating the bigotry position and feelings about it all.

    Which only contributes to his overall marginalization outside his dying audience.

    Limbaugh isn’t really an authority of any kind to be taken seriously.

    Fact.

    Laughing is warranted here. Truth really isn’t a dodge. Just painful.

    Go big though. Make sure as many people hear that and know it was you who brought it to them as you can.

    It will help things along. No joke.

    #8904
    Deane Johnson
    Participant

    Why do you pay any attention to Limbaugh? I haven’t for years.

    #8905
    missing_kskd
    Participant

    He’s an enabler. That is the typical reason for attention directed his way.

    Or, people give him attention because they are on board with the bat shit nuts advocacy he does.

    #8906
    Vitalogy
    Participant

    What about the anonymous bigot business owner? If he’s so proud what he’s doing, he should own it. And I’ll bet he will own it soon once he’s outed.

    In fact, here’s the perfect solution to the whole issue: Any business that wants to discriminate must post a sign at the door (similar to open/close hours) that they reserve the right to discriminate. If said sticker is properly placed for the public to view it, then the customer has the choice of whether to conduct business with them. Only businesses who dislpay the sticker can discriminate and not be prosecuted. Those businesses who DO NOT post the sticker will be held liable.

    This is a win-win. Bigots get to be bigots and consumers can be informed.

    #8909
    missing_kskd
    Participant

    Seriously. That would be hilarious to watch play out. Painful object lesson likely to advance the issue very quickly.

    🙂

    #8910
    missing_kskd
    Participant

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/pro-discrimination-religious-freedom-laws-are-dangerous-to-america/2015/03/29/bdb4ce9e-d66d-11e4-ba28-f2a685dc7f89_story.html

    America’s business community recognized a long time ago that discrimination, in all its forms, is bad for business. At Apple, we are in business to empower and enrich our customers’ lives. We strive to do business in a way that is just and fair. That’s why, on behalf of Apple, I’m standing up to oppose this new wave of legislation — wherever it emerges. I’m writing in the hopes that many more will join this movement. From North Carolina to Nevada, these bills under consideration truly will hurt jobs, growth and the economic vibrancy of parts of the country where a 21st-century economy was once welcomed with open arms.

    […]

    I remember what it was like to grow up in the South in the 1960s and 1970s. Discrimination isn’t something that’s easy to oppose. It doesn’t always stare you in the face. It moves in the shadows. And sometimes it shrouds itself within the very laws meant to protect us.

    Our message, to people around the country and around the world, is this: Apple is open. Open to everyone, regardless of where they come from, what they look like, how they worship or who they love. Regardless of what the law might allow in Indiana or Arkansas, we will never tolerate discrimination.

    That, from one, if not the most, capitalized company in the world.

    With an out, gay CEO too.

    Compare and contrast to, say Limbaugh, or others working the formula in some attempt to deflect the harm they are doing away from them and onto those they do the harm to.

    I predict no contest. A few punches will get thrown, but the K.O. is coming on this. Won’t take very long either.

    #8913
    NoParty
    Participant

    UF&UB said>>>
    But the Left, ever-vigilant against group-based slights on behalf of favored constituencies, is only too eager to label orthodox Christians as threats to the public.

    Yet it’s okay to say that Liberalism is. That’s all you extremists righies do and have since you lumped it with Communism back in the 40’s, 50’s and 60’s.

    Kind makes you guys hypocrites huh?

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