Pioneering mega church founder DEAD

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  • #35176

    Amus
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    I recently met a guy, now retired, who was the Music Director of WQED in Pittsburgh where Mr. Rogers was filmed.

    (Boy does he have an impressive record collection!)

    He said it was a highlight when the call came down that Mr. Rogers needed some extras.

    He also said that Mr. Rogers was no act.
    What you saw was 100% Fred Rogers.

    #35177

    Amus
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    Which reminds me of this classic bit from National Lampoon featuring Christopher Guest & Bill Murray.

    #35178

    skeptical
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    Here’s the thing Broadway and his fellow assholes will never learn. Mr. Rogers might have been anti-choice, anti-gay marriage, anti-et al, but he never went total ASSHOLE about it and here we are decades after his death, agnotics and atheists saying good things about the fellow. Broadway and Graham? Nope. Assholes.

    #35181

    cbaravelli
    Spectator

    Takes one to know one, skeptical.
    Smell ya later.

    #35183

    Alfredo_T
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    As someone who grew up watching Mr. Rogers’ Neighborhood, I can state that the one thing that made Mr. Rogers different is that he did not use his PBS show to deliver a religious agenda. When he was in front of the camera, the message that he delivered was one that any family, regardless of religious belief (or lack thereof) could have found useful and non-threatening.

    When he was campaigning on behalf of television-related causes, it was for children’s programming, for his show, for public television, and for the right of people to keep and bear VCRs.

    Regarding his net worth, though, I have to say that over the years, I’ve absorbed the message that “non-profit” is not the same as “non-money.”

    #35184

    cbaravelli
    Spectator

    Another American institution.
    “All of you are fish and each one of you is different.”
    Learned how balloons are made from Mister Rogers Neighborhood. AS an ordained Presbyterian Minister, his programs included explanations of Christmas trees, Easter eggs and Chaunakkah menorahs. While not non-denominational, the Neighborhood did celebrate Judeo-Christian morals and family values. Mr. Rogers was a television pioneer for diversion and inclusion.

    “I like you just the way you are”.

    #35185

    cbaravelli
    Spectator

    Klassic!

    #35186

    Broadway
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    When someone calls someone an a-hole, does that mean he hates them? What emotion is that person emitting?

    #35187

    skeptical
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    It means shut the hell up and let God do his own speaking.

    Hate has nothing to do with it, however, if you keep it up, some people will tend to begin to hate you for the chaos you cause for others.

    Exception: If you’ve ever uttered something that results in somebody else having to live a miserable life, that’s an insta-hate. And right there, believe me, you’re well hated.

    #35188

    radiodork
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    Let’s not forget that homosexuality was considered a mental illness.Not until 1987 did homosexuality completely fall out of the DSM. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hide-and-seek/201509/when-homosexuality-stopped-being-mental-disorder

    #35192

    Amus
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    So what exactly is your point?

    (serious question, because homosexuality is still considered a mental illness by many evangelicals)

    #35198

    Alfredo_T
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    Years ago, Dr. Laura Schlessinger said on her radio show that it was pressure from gay rights groups, rather than sound science that had homosexuality removed from the DSM. Now that I am much more cynical about how people are rallied around cultural and political viewpoints and how this type of rallying can be exploited to build up an audience for a radio program, I can see what was going on.

    Schlessinger hoped that Evangelicals, conservative Jewish people, and other people with traditional social views would be in agreement. Her message was that a powerful gay conspiracy exists and that it is important to fight against it. This incident backfired in a major way for her, and she had to backpedal, saying that homosexuality is a “biological glitch” that causes people to experience same-sex attraction.

    #35199

    Andy Brown
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    The real “glitch” are the evangelicals. They are hypocrites composed of the type of people who acknowledge Jesus with their words, and deny him through their lifestyle. The Roy Moore thing really underscored this. These evangelical hypocrites are the ones who preach the importance of traditional family values, all while holding a rally and offering standing ovations for Moore who preyed on 14-year-old girls. The ones who look to excuse the despicable allegations directed at Roy Moore by literally quoting the bible, comparing his molestation to Joseph and Mary. Without any doubt, Evangelical Christians are the most hypocritical religious group in America today.

    In 2016, 72 percent of evangelicals reported that immoral leaders could still govern ethically, which was validated when 81 percent of white evangelicals who voted in 2016 cast their ballot for Donald Trump. They were happy to shelve their morality in order to justify electing a thrice-married, casino mogul who bragged about grabbing women by the pussy and rarely goes to church ― but yeah, thanks Jesus. And then they ratcheted up the hypocrisy even further with the stern defense of “alleged” child molester Roy Moore.

    This is just the tip of the iceberg of the overarching, undeniable hypocrisy in conservative fundamentalist and evangelical circles, where they qualm their goody-two-shoed outlook whenever the political price is right and give masculinity the freedom to run rampant. Evangelicals preach about maintaining gender roles and American family values whilst deliberately ignoring that the values they uphold on gender is part of the reason someone like Roy Moore is able to wander through life grooming minors and come out unscathed. The gender construct of evangelicals is the problem, not society’s willingness to accept different gender identities. The LGBT community is not the one who prides itself on male dominance, allowing for the normalization of child sexual abuse ― that’s evangelicals.

    #35202

    Chris_Taylor
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    I’ve mentioned this before that my father was a friend of Fred Rogers. Both pastors and both in the media. They met at several religious media conventions over the years. My dad interviewed Fred a couple of times and they kept in touch. My dad has several hand-written letters from Fred.

    Fred understood that the family dynamic was changing. Saying once to a question about him being a father figure to children,”No one could ever replace a live-in father.” and “Children need a male and female in their developing years.”

    Some have called this Fred’s opposition to homosexuality, which it is not. He’s simply saying that male and female role models in a child’s early years is important. It creates a good balance.

    I’ve seen this in my own family. My lesbian sister and her wife raised two kids, a boy and a girl, and both had plenty of men and women around during their developing years.

    I suspect Fred is saying, we need to be intentional with developing children, to give them places to nurture healthy relationships, and whatever the makeup of your family happens to be, that that place is a good place to start.

    #35211

    Broadway
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