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    LurkingGrendel
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    Here’s the (current) top candidate for Secretary of State under Donald J Trump advocating for open warfare with Iran.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-bolton-regime-change-iran-secretary-of-state_us_582df81be4b030997bbe0d67?zq1wnrk9

    John Bolton is sharp toned hawk and one of the primary advocates for and architects of the invasion and occupation of Iraq. He’s never apologized for those positions and to this day vigorously defends them.

    I don’t expect any of the Trump supporters to admit this is utterly reckless if not out and out insane, but Jesus Christ, guys. I mean, really?

    #24989

    Andy Brown
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    10 Reasons Anti-War Candidate Republican Donald Trump Reeks of War

    1. Donald Trump was for the Libya war before he was against it. Just five years ago, Donald Trump prepared his video “From the Desk of Donald Trump,” an official announcement that the United States needed to go to war. Donald Trump declared, “We should go in, we should stop this guy… Immediately go into Libya …” Now, he says it was all a mistake, a “disaster.”

    2. Donald Trump claimed he voted for George W. Bush in 2004 despite opposition to the expanded Iraq war. Donald Trump said, “I voted for Bush because I think he got certain things that are excellent, including a tax policy … But I am not a big fan of the war … ” Even assuming we believe Donald Trump on those occasions where he says he was against the war, just hand him a generous personal tax cut and he condones expanding wars.

    3. Donald Trump wants to increase defense spending which implies more war. It gets worse: Donald Trump now uses the very same language devised by those behind the George W. Bush agenda. The military is “not ready” and needs to be “rebuilt.” This standard Republican neocon language is a direct appeal to the war loving neocons. Recall that George W. Bush went to war literally just days after the last budget year of “not ready” Bill Clinton ended. The war machine that crushed Afghanistan was built in the Bill Clinton years, and it did the job just fine. The additional “rebuild” is needed only to expand wars.

    4. Donald Trump comments about nuclear attack and nuclear proliferation do not inspire peace or security. (a) By remaining “unpredictable” about nuclear preemption, Donald Trump aligns with a neocon policy that originated with Republican George Bush and was picked up later by Democrat John Kerry. (b) By cutting off military support for allies, Donald Trump inspires nuclear development in additional countries. Donald Trump says those countries including Saudi Arabia will obtain nukes anyway, but history largely differs. (c) Donald Trump wants to renegotiate the fresh Iran deal. This is much like when George W. Bush continued to insist on greater threats against Iraq even though Saddam Hussein was abiding in substance with the mandates against weapons of mass destruction (WMDs). And we all know how that went.

    5. Donald Trump promises more war against ISIS. The candidate who is against war contradicts himself directly with promises more war. Donald Trump claims that ISIS is now in 32 countries. Attacking ISIS in different nations would expand wars, expand terror attacks, and further entrench the 2001 Authorization to Use Military Force (AUMF) that essentially permits the United States to bomb any country in the world. (list continues below)

    6. Donald Trump could be convinced or pressured into war with great ease. The Congress would have much the same bipartisan war supporters. The press would continue to be a tool for convincing the public to go to war. Under this pressure, Donald Trump would “cave in.” Another terror attack is inevitable. Once it occurs, Donald Trump will rush to be the first to push for military action — like he did in Libya.

    7. Donald Trump may just be another rebranding of the Republican Party. The Tea Party “take over” promised to be an alternative to establishment Republicans, and never delivered. Donald Trump now promises to be an alternative again, just six years later. While the feud between Donald Trump and some in the Bush family may be authentic, Donald Trump’s policy platforms are in-line enough with Republicans to advance the usual party issues.

    8. Donald Trump economics enable more war. Deregulation, tax cuts, and unlimited corporate speech consolidate power of the establishment. Deregulation means more consolidation and greater concentrations of power. Tax cuts mean more money available to entice politicians. Corporate “speech” means easy spending to control politicians. The big players, including the press, support war as a profit-making enterprise. Adding more power to this establishment would increase war campaigns. This would occur whether or not Donald Trump himself avoids wars — the war infrastructure will remain and grow to reemerge with vengeance after Donald Trump leaves. For example, deregulation and consolidation of economic power in the Bill Clinton years prepared the enhanced war propaganda machine when George W. Bush took office next.

    9. Donald Trump domestic policies are the natural compliment to war support. His need to increase “law and order” is of most concern here. Opposition to wars has been one of the greatest inducements for protesting. Once a law and order crackdown applies to African Americans and immigrants, it will be used analogously against war protestors. Recent Republican Supreme Court Justice appointments John Roberts and Samuel Alito have nearly perfect records of supporting police powers over Fourth Amendment rights. These are the kinds of Justices Donald Trump would nominate. During and after Donald Trump, there will be no court protection to stop such crackdowns.

    10. Donald Trump’s word simply cannot be trusted. Besides his obvious flip-flops on Iraq and Libya, his word is virtually meaningless. Donald Trump has changed positions too many times to discuss here. Too much has been said on this.

    #24990

    skeptical
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    I suppose one way to determine whether he’ll do hawkish maneuvers is whether or not it’ll help his business empire. Hotels and casinos don’t benefit from increased military actions. (Unlike Dick Cheney’s empire). So the Don would be stupid to go to war. Wait a minute, he is stupid. Never mind this entire post.

    #25001

    LurkingGrendel
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    And now, a man deemed too racist in the past to serve in a Federal judgeship, (rejected in 1986 due to allegations of racist comments and troubling commentary on civil rights issues) is going to be the next Attorney General of the United States.

    Q: So why Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions of all people?

    A: Unswerving, unquestioning, Trump loyalist.

    That’s yet another in a growing list of examples of Donald Trump prizing loyalty and obedience over competence and seeking consensus building.

    So much for reassuring American voters he wants to be a President for all of the people.

    #25006

    Brianl
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    We. Are. So. Fucked.

    I’ve been waiting and seeing what will transpire. I cried the morning after. I have had a Pakistani employee come up and ask if she will have to be deported. I have seen and heard Hispanic employees holding each other, some basket cases, wondering if they have to go back. I have an African-American coworker who admitted that he is petrified. For himself, but moreso for his gay, African-American brother.

    What do I say to these people?

    Ladies and gentelemen, this is what we have elected. This is who we have chosen, as a nation, to be our face, our “beacon”, and the leader of the free world.

    We are SO fucked.

    #25007

    “And now, a man deemed too racist in the past to serve in a Federal judgeship, (rejected in 1986 due to allegations of racist comments and troubling commentary on civil rights issues) is going to be the next Attorney General of the United States.”

    He deserves do be called a “racist” because of what patterns of behavior and speech? Please come up with something more than a joke taken out of context. Evidence less than three decades old would be a plus.

    #25008

    Langston
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    “If someone shows you who they are, believe them.” Maya Angelou. If it walks like a duck, etc,etc.

    #25009

    Andy Brown
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    “He deserves do be called a “racist” because of what patterns of behavior and speech? “

    The list of racial epithets produced and delivered by Sessions is long. Here are some highlights:

    “Sessions characterized the NAACP and ACLU as “un-American” organizations, called a prominent white civil rights attorney in his state as “a disgrace to his race,” referred to black staffers as “boy,” joked about his tolerance for the Ku Klux Klan and lectured at least one black employee to be “careful” how he speaks to “white folks.”

    http://www.jpost.com/Us-Elections/Donald-Trump/Trump-taps-accused-racist-Senator-Jeff-Sessions-for-Attorney-General-473040

    Sessions opposed the Violence Against Women Act, the repeal of “Don’t ask, don’t tell,” and the expansion of anti-hate legislation to include sexual orientation.

    He fought the removal of the Confederate flag, immigration reform, and criminal justice reform.

    Sessions’s opposition to voting rights — which as Attorney General he would be in charge of protecting — dates back to his days as U.S. Attorney in Alabama, when he wrongly prosecuted a group of black activists for voter fraud. Decades later, in 2013, he praised the Supreme Court’s decision to gut the Voting Rights Act, denying its impact on black voters, even as the immediate impact in his own state was that officials tried to close 31 DMV offices, in majority black counties, just as the state passed more restrictive voter ID requirements.

    Sessions has opposed nearly every immigration bill that has come before the Senate the past two decades that has included a path to citizenship for immigrants in the country illegally. (nicknamed “amnesty’s worst enemy” by the conservative National Review in 2014).

    He’s also fought legal immigration, including guest worker programs for illegal immigrants and visa programs for foreign workers in science, math and high-tech. In 2007, Sessions got a bill passed essentially banning for 10 years federal contractors who hire illegal immigrants.

    He’s clearly an old school southern racist. His pattern of behavior in Congress and even before as A.G. in Alabama speak volumes. Of course, no one here expects you, bacon, to ‘get it.’ In fact, I expect you will say it’s all overblown and that he’ll be a fair and productive choice.

    #25010

    Ann Coulter:

    This is why the snowflakes are smashing windows, beating up Trump supporters and calling for the assassination of Trump and the rape of his wife. If you’ve ever wondered how France’s Reign of Terror happened, observe the anti-Trump protests — the main result of which is to convince people who had misgivings about voting for Trump that they did the right thing.

    Trump is denounced for his alleged “racism, homophobia, sexism, anti-Semitism, Islamaphobia!”

    No one stops to think: Wait a minute! These are all groups Trump has showered with affection, with the exception of Muslim immigrants — who persecute the other four.

    Entire article:
    http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2016-11-16.html#read_more

    #25011

    LurkingGrendel
    Participant

    You ignore the facts about Sessions. Widely reported, incontestable, not opinion.

    Instead, you post an editorial by a horrible person and in the process embrace a position that is by definition, bigoted.

    Classic.

    #25088

    Vitalogy
    Participant

    Salem city councilor shares violent, racially charged video; activist demands he resign.

    http://katu.com/news/local/salem-city-councilor-shares-violent-racially-charged-video-activist-demands-he-resign

    Salem City Councilor Daniel Benjamin shared a violent, racially charged video on Facebook Thursday, and now a local activist is calling for him to step down.

    The video shows several African-American people being run over by vehicles.

    Benjamin apparently did not shoot the footage himself.

    In one scene, ominous music plays as a crowd gathers on a street. Suddenly a car plows into them.

    The video then launches into a series of collisions between vehicles and groups of people.

    The post includes a description from conservative blogger, Ron Dwyer, saying, “As this video shows people are starting to get tired of the Black Lives Matter bullies blocking the roadways.”

    “It’s very indecent when it comes from public officials,” Teressa Raiford told KATU regarding the video.

    She’s lead organizer for Don’t Shoot Portland, an organization she claims is the most active Black Lives Matter group in Oregon.

    “I think it’s sickening and it’s pretty much disgusting. You’re promoting racial intimidation and harassment and possibly murder,” Raiford said. “He needs to resign … Ask him to resign or just go ahead and get done with him.”
    Salem Mayor Anna M. Peterson said she’s horrified by the video.
    “It actually made my stomach churn when I could see people actually being mowed down on purpose,” Peterson said.

    #25090

    Vitalogy
    Participant

    ‘Hail Trump!’: White Nationalists Salute the President Elect.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/

    “Hail Trump, hail our people, hail victory!”

    That’s how Richard B. Spencer saluted more than 200 attendees on Saturday, gathered at the Ronald Reagan Building in Washington, D.C., for the annual conference of the National Policy Institute, which describes itself as “an independent organization dedicated to the heritage, identity, and future of  people of European descent in the United States, and around the world.”

    Spencer has popularized the term “alt-right” to describe the movement he leads. Spencer has said his dream is “a new society, an ethno-state that would be a gathering point for all Europeans,” and has called for “peaceful ethnic cleansing.”

    For most of the day, a parade of speakers discussed their ideology in relatively anodyne terms, putting a presentable face on their agenda. But after dinner, when most journalists had already departed, Spencer rose and delivered a speech to his followers dripping with anti-Semitism, and leaving no doubt as to what he actually seeks. He referred to the mainstream media
    as “Lügenpresse,” a term he said he was borrowing from “the original German”; the Nazis used the word to attack their critics in the press.

    “America was until this past generation a white country designed for ourselves and our posterity,” Spencer said. “It is our creation, it is our inheritance, and it belongs to us.”
      
    The audience offered cheers, applause, and enthusiastic Nazi salutes.

    #25092

    mwdxer1
    Participant

    We are not a white society any longer. It is not 1980 any longer. Trump and his group will be defeated by the American people in time, if he plans to try to do half of what he says. We do have laws and the constitution. Remember Clinton got more votes that Trump. But there will be hell to pay for many Americans before we get this sorted out. It is not going to be a good 2-4 years. At least “if” the Democrats can get back the Senate in 2018, at least we can tie his hands until he is out of office. But 2 years can be a long time. Hold on, as it is going to be a bumpy ride.

    #25094

    I expect that Trump will keep his promises and minorities will be better off by the end of his first term, and he will set records for Republican minority support if he chooses to run for a second term.

    Prospects for the Senate don’t look good for Democrats in 2018. Republicans are likely to increase their majority.

    #25097

    Andrew
    Participant

    Whether the guy is re-elected in 2020 or loses Congress in 2018 depends how he does – and how the economy does. Incumbent presidents usually win re-election unless voters are angry or unless the economy is bad. Bush barely won re-election in 2004 because people were still scared over 9/11 and the economy seemed to be doing better, even they they were pissed about Iraq. But Iraq just got worse and worse, Katrina happened, scandals happened…and that’s why the Dems finally won back Congress in 2006.

    The thing is, expectations for the new president-elect are so low, that he will be so bad, that if he’s only half as awful as people expect him to be, and if the economy is doing well in November 2018 and/or November 2020, Dems don’t have a great chance to defeat him. They’ll have to be organized and nominate good candidates – not a given. Anger itself isn’t enough to win.

    But the US tends to have economic slowdowns every so often, and we haven’t had one since that little one in 2008-2009. Aren’t we due soon? If it happens in 2019 and Dems come up with a good candidate for 2020, they’ll win. If the economy is booming in 2019-2020, good luck defeating him.

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