MTG may destroy the GOP

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  • #49626
    paulwalker
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    Marjorie Taylor Greene is a cancer on the GOP, most agree. It will split the party, and provide cause for the Dems to win in the mid-terms, and probably in 2024. There is little question the GOP is now in shambles, and again, most of this goes back to Donald Trump.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/27/gops-marjorie-taylor-greene-problem-is-spinning-out-control/

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    paulwalker
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    Whoops link is a pay site.

    #49628
    Andrew
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    I’ve lost count of the number of times the GOP was supposedly on its last legs and doomed as a party. How many people predicted that after Obama’s big win in 2008 where Democrats increased their majorities in Congress? Did many predict the GOP’s big House gains to pick up the House in 2010?

    Before Trump unexpectedly won in 2016, there were plenty of predictions that he had destroyed the GOP with his expected failed candidacy, yet somehow Republicans had control over everything for two years from 2017-2019.

    Given how poorly Democrats did in the 2020 Congressional elections (losing, not gaining House seats, winning only a few Senate seats despite so many GOP seats up for grabs), I don’t really see a rosy picture for Democrats going forward. Looks pretty precarious to me. Biden barely won enough votes in three states to win the electoral college. I can easily see Republicans re-taking Congress in 2022 and winning the presidency again in 2024 – things don’t have to swing much back toward the GOP for that to happen.

    But no one really knows. So much could happen between now and then that none of us can predict. I don’t think many people thought a year ago that the Covid virus was going to dominate Trump’s last year in office and upend everything.

    #49629
    paulwalker
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    Good points, Andrew. But the GOP looks extremely fragile right now, more-so than since Trump won four and a half years ago. Yes things can change but I see the party in a state of confusion right now.

    #49630
    Andrew
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    There’s no doubt that they are fractured right now. They were pretty fractured in 2016 before Trump won, too. Remember how many prominent Republicans in Congress were vocally anti-Trump? They looked like a party in chaos, with so many Republicans openly attacking their nominee. But once Trump won, everyone fell in line very quickly behind him. Things can change a whole lot by November 2022.

    I of course hope the GOP truly does implode and the Democrats do better than expected in 2022. I’m just not counting on it.

    #49632
    Andy Brown
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    It’s a battle between McCarthy and McConnell. The latter has more power but the former has a majority of redrumpflicans.

    Popcorn time.

    #49633
    nosignalallnoise
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    Whoops link is a pay site.

    By blocking their cookies and javascripting you can easily bypass most paywalls, including WaPost’s.

    The Fix – Analysis
    The GOP’s Marjorie Taylor Greene problem is spinning out of control
    Marjorie Taylor Greene, then a Republican congressional candidate, speaks to supporters in Rome, Ga., in August. (Jessica Tezak for The Washington
    By Aaron Blake
    Jan. 27, 2021 at 4:03 p.m. UTC
    (Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/27/gops-marjorie-taylor-greene-problem-is-spinning-out-control/
    Accessed 2021 Feb 04 19:31 GMT)

    Republicans knew they had a Marjorie Taylor Greene problem back in the summer of 2020 when she was running for Congress. House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) called the QAnon supporter’s comments about Black people and Muslims “disgusting,” while a spokesman for House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) called them “appalling.” Scalise backed her primary opponent.

    Then she won, and Republicans tried to put a good face on it — even falsely claiming she had disavowed QAnon and suggesting the country should move on.

    That posture is looking increasingly untenable.

    Now that Greene is in Congress, the situation has spun further out of control for the GOP, with a steady stream of revelations about her extreme views and advocacy for fringe causes and baseless claims. That stream combined with Greene’s puzzling defense of herself should make Republicans wonder how long they can put up with this.

    Tuesday’s revelation is particularly pertinent — and ugly. CNN’s KFile reported that Greene’s Facebook feed featured several endorsements of violence against Democrats and federal agents. In one case, she liked a comment that said “a bullet to the head would be quicker” than removing Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) from her speakership. She also liked a comment about Pelosi that said “through removal or death, doesn’t matter, as long as she goes.” She responded to another commenter who suggested hanging former president Barack Obama and former secretary of state Hillary Clinton by saying: “Stage is being set. Players are being put in place. We must be patient. This must be done perfectly or liberal judges would let them off.” She also liked comments suggesting execution for FBI agents who were viewed as working with the “deep state” against then-President Donald Trump.

    Greene’s comments on these matters come to light just three weeks after Trump supporters, including many QAnon subscribers, stormed the U.S. Capitol. Some indicated they intended to harm lawmakers, with chants of “Hang Mike Pence” for Vice President Mike Pence’s refusal to take extraordinary action to overturn the 2020 election results. In other words, we have evidence that a member of Congress promoted the kind of extremism and even bloodlust that led to an attempted insurrection at the Capitol.

    The development comes on top of many others, including:

    – Supporting the false QAnon claims that hold there is a global pedophile cabal involving top U.S. political figures.
    – In another Facebook post revealed this week, promoting the false “Frazzledrip” claim about Clinton and a top aide, Huma Abedin, supposedly engaging in a satanic ritual involving the murder and mutilation of a child.
    – Liking a comment suggesting the 2018 massacre of students in Parkland, Fla., was a “false flag” and calling a student gun-control activist who attended the school “little Hitler”
    – Claiming much the same thing about the 2012 school shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn. Greene responded to a user who said it was a “STAGGED [sic] SHOOTING” by saying, “That’s all true.”
    – Baselessly claiming Pelosi cited the need for monthly school shootings to pass gun legislation.
    – Suggesting another mass shooting, in Las Vegas, was part of a plot to abolish the Second Amendment.
    – Saying the 2018 midterms, in which Democrats won the House, represented “an Islamic invasion of our government.”
    – Comparing Black Lives Matter activists to neo-Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan.
    – Claiming George Soros, a Holocaust survivor, collaborated with Nazis.

    Confronted with that final one last year, a Greene spokesman was unapologetic. “Thank[s] for the reminder about Soros. We forgot to put him in our newest ad. We’re fixing that now,” he told Politico.

    (Recirculated video from Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene’s (R-Ga.) YouTube account shows her berating Parkland shooting survivor David Hogg before being elected. (TWP))

    The responses to the latest revelations are arguably worse. Greene suggested the comments weren’t actually from her, saying she had “teams” of people who managed her Facebook account. She also suggested the revelations aren’t pertinent because they came before she ran for Congress.

    The latter is particularly bad. The newly revealed comments are from 2018 and 2019 — not exactly decades or even several years ago. She is a 46-year-old woman essentially arguing that comments she made when she was 44 don’t reflect upon her today or aren’t relevant. Has she really evolved that much in two years?

    As for the idea that this wasn’t actually her: Did she really have “teams” of people working on her social media accounts when she was a private citizen? That would make sense as a candidate for Congress, but it seems a puzzling thing for someone in private life to delegate people not just to manage your accounts but also to post such incendiary things.

    What’s more, the comments are in keeping with everything we have come to learn about Greene. She has spoken publicly on video, for example, about the possibility of Democrats including Pelosi being executed for treason. And even after the revelations on Tuesday, she responded to criticism from Sen. Raphael G. Warnock (D-Ga.) by calling him a “heretic,” a crime for which many societies have used the death penalty.

    Given all of that, even if Republicans think this will pass, they need to ask themselves how much more there is to come. This is clearly someone who has engaged in some of the ugliest political rhetoric that exists in modern discourse, often explicitly endorsing it.

    McCarthy’s office told Axios that the comments are “deeply disturbing” and said he “plans to have a conversation with the Congresswoman about them.” At some point, Republicans need to ask themselves whether such conversations and tough words are enough — especially considering how little remorse Greene has demonstrated.

    Among the options for GOP leadership: more explicitly disowning Greene and her brand of politics, as GOP Rep. Adam Kinzinger (Ill.) did. They could also take formal actions up to and including censure (a symbolic one) or expulsion from committees or Congress as a whole. The GOP has kicked several members off committees in recent years, including now-former congressman Steve King (R-Iowa) for his comments about white supremacy.

    We tend to overestimate how much a politician like that can drag down their national party, but Greene’s lack of remorse and candor reinforces how much of a loose cannon she could be moving forward.

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