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  • #11957
    Broadway
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    Do consenting adults have a right to contract with other consenting adults? Supporters of the Supreme Court’s decision argue yes but they argue no when it comes to economic liberties, like contracts regarding wages.
    It seems some rights are more equal than others.
    Rand Paul

    And as a general rule, don’t listen to anyone who substitutes tears for rational argument. Vox Day

    So if love wins give me your reasons why someone who loves several people can’t be married to them all.

    Jesus commands us to judge. John 7:24, “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

    #11959
    Broadway
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    The President had the White House lit up in rainbow colors to celebrate the Supreme Court ruling on same-sex marriage. This is outrageous—a real slap in the face to the millions of Americans who do not support same-sex marriage and whose voice is being ignored. God is the one who gave the rainbow, and it was associated with His judgment. God sent a flood to wipe out the entire world because mankind had become so wicked and violent. One man, Noah, was found righteous and escaped God’s judgment with his family. The rainbow was a sign to Noah that God would not use the flood again to judge the world. But one day God is going to judge sin—all sin. Only those who are found righteous will be able to escape His judgment. That righteousness comes through faith, believing on the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ who took our sins and shed His blood on the cross for each and every one. So, when we see the gay pride rainbow splashed on business advertisements and many people’s Facebook pages, may it remind all of us of God’s judgment to come. Are you ready? Are your sins forgiven?
    Franklin Graham

    #11960
    Amus
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    AGAIN:

    RE: Franklin Graham;
    Fraud, Crackpot and embarrassment to his father’s legacy.

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/17/my-take-franklin-graham-is-embarrassing-his-father/

    #11968
    Broadway
    Participant

    Great explanation of what’s going on here…

    #11969
    LurkingGrendel
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    I don’t think you fully appreciate how unwelcome and offensive your religious zealotry is, Broadway. I’ll grant you the benefit of the doubt that you don’t. Having done so, now please allow me to clarify for you: You sound every bit as ignorant, unreasonable, and unhinged as an Islamic terrorist howling at the sky about the immodesty of women and then threatening to murder the nearest infidel. Most intelligent people wouldn’t invite you or he to a backyard BBQ.

    You’re clearly a member of the American Taliban. Given a choice you would make the United States into a country with a state religion, (never mind that it’s clearly prohibited in the U.S. Constitution) and then inflict your religious views on others through government decree. To wit, you’d be all for a repressive theocracy so long as that it matches up with your religious predilections.

    Speaking as a rationalist, I find all religion to be just about equally nutty, but am more than happy to tolerate anyone believing whatever goofy ecclesiastical musings they choose so long as that it’s not interfering with the rights of others and/or impugning upon their civil liberties. (See also, the alarming similarities between Christian Evangelicals and Islamic extremists) Which brings us back to the topic at hand.

    The marriage of anyone to anyone does absolutely nothing to you. Period.

    Gay marriage has been legal in more than a dozen states for years. Can you guess what terrible, awful, horrific, societal rattling impact this has had upon straight married couples in those states? Hint: The answer is nothing. There will be similar non-events occurring nationwide. You’re safe, Daisy.

    Presumably, you went to bed the night before the SCOTUS ruling a married, heterosexual (maybe), Christian male and woke up the next morning in the same state. Amazing! It’s almost as if the issue is really not about and you and affects you in no way whatsoever. Weird! I mean, it’s like two people regardless of sex whom love each other can now get married and enjoy the same rights and benefits as any other married couple and that it really doesn’t have any impact at all on you, your own marriage, or really anything at all. Crazy, right?

    Now that you and the like-minded have lost for now and all time this particular social skirmish, (following having been on the wrong side of history of just about everything including Civil Rights, Woman’s Suffrage, and that the Sun rotates around the Earth) it’s inevitable you must find a new way of playing the victim card and attempting to distort a civil rights issue into something different.

    Cue, Fox News and all of Broadway’s preferred “news” outlets now trumpeting about “religious liberty”. Which to be clear is complete, illogical nonsense at odds with both the law and common sense.

    As I carefully outlined for you previously Broadway, Christians are not being “persecuted”. Many are laughing at you. (Loudly!) Or mocking you. (A lot!) Or pointing out that you’re simply an ignorant and hateful bigot masquerading under the guise of piousness. (Ding!) But none of that impacts your ability to believe whatever the hell you want to. You and those like you have suffered approximately zero loss of civil liberties, privileges, rights, or any negative repercussions of any kind for being what you call “Christian”. Save if course the ability to be a bigoted, discriminatory jackass without incurring loud public condemnation; often taking the form of mockery and derision.

    You have the right privately to hate the gays all you want, (And spare us the protests to the contrary, Queen Gertrude. No-one believes you.) you just don’t get to discriminate against them in public anymore.

    It’s that whole separation of Church and State thing again your kind seem to have so much trouble figuring out. I.e. American Taliban.

    Post script: We should start a new drinking game. Whenever Broadway posts someone else’s thoughts (as he clearly has none of his own) via a link OR a bible verse, take a shot. I predict rampant alcoholism in a few short weeks as he’s demonstrably incapable of reasoned discourse.

    I’d stick around but I have some Geats to dismember. Have a good holiday!

    #11972
    edselehr
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    Broadway, I only had to wait 13 seconds into your video to find the last clinged-to (and most easily refuted) argument for preserving only same sex marriage: perpetuation of the species and society.

    1) Society will be fine if gay people are allowed to marry, because it’s fine now. Many gay couples now live as de facto married couples, and society keeps lumbering along without any problems.

    2) Allowing gay marriage does not prevent straight marriage. Hello Broadway, you hear that? There will still be millions of straight, man/woman marriages after gay marriage is allowed. The “perpetuation” argument is ludicrous.

    #11973
    missing_kskd
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    And you have to name your drink.

    Says KSKD, who is on the edge of connectivity about to off grid it in the heat for a time. Did I mention the heat? 102 and climbing here in lovely Prineville today.

    I predict the American Taliban will hole up in dark places utterly convinced their time will come when all the bad stuff happens. Great. I will keep a candle burning. Just because? Also Daisy.

    #11988
    Chris_Taylor
    Participant

    Sorry I couldn’t find a link for this, but this has been making the rounds with some of my Facebook friends. It’s a blogger by the name of Richie Branson:

    As a follower of Christ and lover of all people regardless of race, gender, political affiliation, sexual orientation, or game console preference, I’m going to be very blunt with my fellow Christians: why are you so pissed about this change in MAN’s law? Absolutely nothing has changed in the Bible. God’s law is exactly the same as it was before yesterday. The good book said that man’s law wouldn’t always line up with God’s law, so why are you upset that the Bible was correct? If you expect the nation’s legal system to teach your children about Christ then you’re sadly mistaken. God never placed that responsibility with the courts; It’s YOUR responsibility to spread the gospel and love of Jesus Christ.

    The law doesn’t force pornography upon your household, but it’s legal. The law doesn’t force twerk videos unto your household, but it’s legal. The law doesn’t force heterosexual sex between two unmarried people into your household, but it’s legal. The law doesn’t force having children out of wedlock unto your household, but again… it’s perfectly legal. Homosexual marriage, like the above mentioned “sins”, does not impede on the basic rights of anyone else. It’s perfectly fine not to condone it, but to condemn it and attempt to codify your beliefs into laws that disenfranchise those with different belief systems is not ok. Here’s a newsflash: Making it legal for gay people to be married by definition of man’s law doesn’t mean the world is coming to an end. This isn’t anything new, by the way, as 22 other countries already recognize same-sex marriage years before June 26th, 2015.
    While we’re on the subject, let’s talk about state-sponsored sinful lifestyles for a second: every weekend I buy a lotto ticket from the corner store. I’ve been doing this for years. However, my Bible says to stay away from attempts to get rich quick (proverbs 13:11 and 23:5; Ecclesiastes 5:10). I guess that means I should also be condemned to the depths of Hell upon my death.

    Look, there are so many other issues that require our attention as Christians: poverty, racism, genocide, persecution of Christians in the Middle East (while we’re complaining about Christians losing influence in American politics, Middle-Eastern Christians are losing their LIVES), and others that are infinitely more worthy of our outrage than the issue of same-sex marriage in America. Instead of bloviating on social media about how offended you are about homosexuality, why don’t you step out on faith and do some real kingdom work?
    In closing, it is quite ironic that the most sin I’ve seen on social media isn’t coming from all the rainbow colored profile pictures, but rather from self-proclaimed Christians shouting “F*ck this fag b.s.” with a disturbing lack of one of the very cornerstones of the Christian faith: Grace.

    #11992
    missing_kskd
    Participant

    Nice. That guy has his spiritual priorities sorted nicely.

    #11993
    missing_kskd
    Participant

    Deane, the US is monetary soverign.

    The question isn’t how to get it paid for. We can do that just as easily as we didn’t pay for Iraq.

    The question is whether that investment pays us back more than we spend.

    We can pay people more. We can change how we tax. We can fund stimulus of various kinds and we can do a lot of things.

    Government isn’t business. It does not work in the same ways, nor on the same goals.

    And we have done these things before and we know they work.

    The clowns convincing you we can’t want it all to break down so they can buy it and profit off what should be public things or where doing them involves private business, an opportunity for people to take their own risks and profit from an opportunity the people of the USA put out there for that purpose.

    If you believe them, we are doomed and that is a no we can’t message.

    Load of shit message too.

    Progressives are generally on the yes we can side of things.

    Maybe electing a lot less government can’t work people will result in government working as it can and should.

    And those private people who want to own our lives would t get that, but they will make billions anyway, which is what we all want them to do.

    But we all want and need a fair shake so that our lives are better as we know, want, need and can make better.

    #11994
    Amus
    Participant

    Thanks for sharing that Chris.

    FWIW, I was able to trace that to the Facebook page of Richie Branson. A game designer & musician in San Antonio. I can only assume it’s original as he doesn’t credit it.

    https://www.facebook.com/richiebranson

    I will never understand why is it some “Christians” cannot be content with living their faith, and feel the need to codify their faith into law and impose it on those that do not share it.

    #11996
    stevethedj
    Participant

    Since the court ruled on SSM, Isn’t it time to move on to another topic???

    #11997
    Vitalogy
    Participant

    “I will never understand why is it some “Christians” cannot be content with living their faith, and feel the need to codify their faith into law and impose it on those that do not share it.”

    Because they are insecure in their beliefs.

    #11998
    duxrule
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    One might think so, but there seems to be a very loud portion of this country that claims otherwise, talking about how we’re going to be smitten by God, Brimstone and Hellfire, etc., etc.. Perhaps they’re the ones that you should be sending that message.

    #11999
    Brianl
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    Steve – as long as we have people like Broadway that are justifying, encouraging and openly practicing bigotry, discrimination, outrage and sheer diabolical hatred against the very premise of SSM, and using Christianity to justify their actions, we will continue to have this conversation.

    Broadway and his evangelist, conservative brothers and sisters have the right to say whatever they want, and those of us who refuse to tolerate hatred, bigotry and discrimination have the right to call them out for it.

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