October 27, 2016 at 5:14 pm #24329
So, just to note, it’s perfectly legal to have an armed takeover of public property, destroy it, and get off.
I can only hope they get convicted for their Nevada crimes.October 27, 2016 at 5:41 pm #24331LurkingGrendelParticipant
I’d like to read more about this before commenting in more detail, but it does seem utterly ridiculous.October 27, 2016 at 6:43 pm #24335
The precedent set today is truly scary.
These fake patriots overtook and destroyed public property with arms and walk away with no charges.
Angry Trump supporters see this kind of shit and feel emboldened to act.October 27, 2016 at 7:58 pm #24336
Contrast this with what’s going on in North Dakota.
Shameful.October 28, 2016 at 9:51 am #24348LurkingGrendelParticipant
I’ve read up on as much detail on this as is available.
I’m baffled at the verdict.
I say that not out of emotional context but rather as a matter of law.
Then again, an alarming number of citizens are simply not that bright and are seemingly incapable of rational thought. I.e. the jury, without question, ignored the law in favor of where their sympathy or empathy (or even political beliefs) may lie.
And I can’t even re: North Dakota. It’s just sickening.
I feel like we’re living in opposite world.October 28, 2016 at 10:21 am #24349AmusParticipant
OPB has a great podcast dedicated to the trial.
It will be a considerable time investment to listen to it.
But lot’s of good background.October 28, 2016 at 11:45 am #24351skepticalParticipant
In hindsight, the feds should have charged them with vandalism, thief and other lower charges instead.
Waiting out tactics might need to be reviewed.October 28, 2016 at 12:02 pm #24352Andy BrownParticipant
Agreed. The U.S. never should have tolerated their occupation, but in reality they should have charged them with charges that were more slam dunk. Intent is always difficult to prove.
The Nevada indictment charges the four with 16 felonies: one count of conspiring to commit an offense against the United States, one count of conspiring to impede or injure a federal officer, four counts of carrying a firearm in a crime of violence, two counts of assault on a federal officer, two counts of threatening a federal law enforcement officer, three counts of obstructing justice, two counts of interfering with interstate commerce by extortion and one count of interstate travel in aid of extortion.
It also levels five counts of criminal forfeiture against each defendant. If convicted of the offenses, they would have to forfeit property obtained from the proceeds of their crimes, totaling at least $3 million, including cattle at the so-called Bunkerville Allotment and Lake Mead National Recreational Area in Nevada. They also would have to forfeit firearms and ammunition used in the April 12, 2014, standoff with federal authorities.
The maximum sentence is five years for conspiracy to commit an offense against the U.S., six years for conspiracy to impede and injure a federal officer; 20 years for assault on a federal officer; 10 years for threatening a federal law enforcement officer; 10 years for obstruction of justice, 20 years for interfering with interstate commerce by extortion, 20 years for interstate travel in aid of extortion and a five-year minimum for using and carrying a firearm in a crime of violence.
Nevada is a mixed state, politically. It’s difficult to guess what charges above will stick.
I do predict that the Bundy clan will end up staying incarcerated for quite some time. The old man will probably be there until he dies.
They are dangerous people.October 28, 2016 at 3:58 pm #24364DanOregonParticipant
These folks on the jury probably think a flashmob is just a bunch of people who all know the same dance moves and show up in the same place when music starts to ply by coincidence.
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