June 25, 2020 at 1:59 pm #46943Deane JohnsonParticipant
I’m still amazed at the depth of the leadership vacumm the White House has turned into. It’s getting worse every month.
I think we’re in for some interesting times between now and the election.
It pains me to have to vote for Biden, I just hope he doesn’t screw it up with the VP choice.June 25, 2020 at 3:24 pm #46944BrianlParticipant
I wish more people were as open as you, Deane. There are all too many that think Trump walks on water.June 25, 2020 at 4:49 pm #46945
Deane: “It pains me to have to vote for Biden, I just hope he doesn’t screw it up with the VP choice.”
If I were a traditional Republican, I’d be thinking about 2024. Get Trump out in 2020, know Biden is likely going to serve only one term…and maybe by 2024 Republicans will finally wake up and embrace someone like John Kasich, who is at least an an actual human being.June 25, 2020 at 5:22 pm #46947Deane JohnsonParticipant
I’m sort of torn between a good VP choice and a weak one by Biden. Biden will probably not run for a second term if he’s elected this year for multiple reasons.
It probably doesn’t need to be said that a weak VP gives a Republican a better shot at being elected in 2024. A strong VP could very likely get elected President in 2024.
Of course, all of this depends a great deal on a ton of things that can happen between now and then. We now live in a volatile world in a number of respects.
Andrew, I agree that John Kasich is one of the best Republican possibilities out there. He’s done a good job keeping his powder dry. Kasich against a weak Democrat VP in 2024 would be the best scenrio a Republican voter could hope for.
The next 4 years are going to be very rough for this country no matter who is elected. The wild card is going to be how soon a viable vaccine is available so we can actually begin cleaning up the mess.June 25, 2020 at 5:56 pm #46948Andy BrownParticipant
“The next 4 years are going to be very rough for this country no matter who is elected.”
Got that right. At least there won’t be so much obstruction of good ideas in Congress by the White House. There is overwhelming support from both sides of the aisle for policy changes, both domestic and foreign, that won’t get done until the Donald is escorted from the White House. It’s clear he’s going to contest any loss, no matter how definitive it is. We’re going to get all wound up for Election Day but it won’t end there.
I suspect the military already has plans for his removal on Jan. 20. I also suspect that the military already has decided to delay or ignore any major orders they receive between now and November. Remember, he was ready to go to war with Iran just last May and Korea has devolved back to the same old same old.
This story from November lays out what the military has been dealing with:June 25, 2020 at 6:48 pm #46949
Deane: “It probably doesn’t need to be said that a weak VP gives a Republican a better shot at being elected in 2024. A strong VP could very likely get elected President in 2024.”
I don’t agree. Sitting vice presidents don’t have a good record of getting elected to succeed the sitting president. George H. W. Bush was the first one to win, in 1988, in over a hundred years.
All depends what kind of role Biden might give to this VP and if that person is already a political entity. We already know it will be a woman, though, and I think there will be a lot of pressure again from the Democratic side to elect a woman.June 25, 2020 at 10:08 pm #46951Chris_TaylorParticipant
Is anyone concerned about Nov 4? The day after the election.June 25, 2020 at 10:32 pm #46952
Chris, I am worried about the period between November 4 and January 20 (assuming Biden wins). I don’t see Trump going quietly. He’ll claim “fraud!” until his dying day if he doesn’t win, no matter how much of a landslide it might be. He can really make it hard for Biden to take over. He can file lawsuits in states with close elections and try to challenge the result. He can work to delegitimize Biden and will probably have help from Republicans in Congress, who will revert right back to obstructionism just like they did under Obama.
With all of the new states probably going to do mail-in voting for the first time in a general election, we may not even know the winner of the election for the first few days. So November 4 may be kind of anti-climactic.June 25, 2020 at 10:35 pm #46953
It will be crucial for Democrats to hold on to the House, as the NEXT Congress ultimately decides who the next president is. It’s usually a formality, but in 2021 it may not be. If there are fights in states over electors, it may be up to Congress to decide which electors even to count. It will be a lot easier of Democrats can also re-take the Senate. If that happens, I will worry a whole lot less about Trump’s exit.June 26, 2020 at 12:28 am #46954semoochieParticipant
My main concern is how Trump will lash out at the country between the election and inauguration! Will he try to start a war, order a nuclear attack etc.?June 27, 2020 at 9:08 pm #46957VitalogyParticipant
Carly Fiorona is voting for Biden. Well, at least her face is.
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