If Trump becomes president, ‘you better hope here’s someone left to help you

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  • #21926
    Andy Brown
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    Great ad. The attacks on Trump from Republicans is going to continue. Contrary to the label given this phenomenon by one of the board’s lemmings, F&Bacon, as being ‘sore losers,’ this ad hits hard. I’m hoping Hillary’s people can top this kind of production.

    “You might not care if Donald Trump says Muslims should register with their government, because you’re not one,” says Moe, to an ominous soundtrack. “And you might not care if Donald Trump says he’s going to round up all the Hispanic immigrants, because you’re not one. And you might not care if Donald Trump says it’s okay to rough up black protesters, because you’re not one. And you might not care if Donald Trump wants to suppress journalists, because you’re not one. But think about this: If he keeps going, and he actually becomes president, he might just get around to you. And you better hope there’s someone left to help you.”

    ~ Air Force Colonel Tom Moe (ret.)

    http://gazette.com/john-kasich-ad-if-trump-becomes-president-you-better-hope-theres-someone-left-to-help-you/article/1581042

    #21933

    When did Donald Trump say to rough up black protesters? Or to suppress journalists? All we have to do is read the hacked emails to see that’s the purview of Democratic Machine.

    Who is this guy, anyway? Moe Howard has a better name recognition than Tom Moe.

    These alleged Republicans will not make a dent. They are forgetting that the rank and file Republicans and Republican leaning Independents and Democrats see Trump’s opponent.

    We don’t believe the sky will fall if Trump is elected or that he’s out to get us. Scare tactics aren’t going to work except possibly to help turn out the low information Democratic voters.

    #21940
    duxrule
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    “Scare tactics aren’t going to work except possibly to help turn out the low information Democratic voters.”

    Then why was TD’s speech NOTHING BUT fear and scare tactics? I’d also like to know how he plans to “restore safety” on 1/20/17. Am I the only one that was disturbed by the tone and the implications of TD’s repeated promises to “restore law and order”? Nobody seems to be questioning how he plans to accomplish this feat.

    #21977
    LurkingGrendel
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    No, you were not the only one. As you noted, Donald’s speech was nothing but fear mongering and scare tactics. It was wholly terrifying.

    It’s the talk of a proto fascist. There’s already a black list of news organizations that the Trump campaign has banned/refuses to offer press credentials.

    Trump brooks no criticism or disagreement and has a number of times expressed support for figures ranging from Vladimir Putin to Saddam Hussein to the Chinses government related to the crackdown of Democratic dissidents in Tiananmen Square.

    That’s how he runs his business. He’s making no real secret that’s how he’d like to run the country.

    He’s a dangerous idiot.

    #21978
    Amus
    Participant

    Who is this guy, anyway? Moe Howard has a better name recognition than Tom Moe.

    Colonel Thomas Moe is an American who was imprisoned as a POW in North Vietnam.

    But hey!
    What would a guy who was held captive by a totalitarian government know about shit like this?

    #21979
    radiodork
    Spectator

    A bunch of lies from the left. Yaaaawn!

    #21980
    LurkingGrendel
    Participant

    The left. Otherwise known as fact based reality.

    #21982
    LurkingGrendel
    Participant

    Donald did express admiration for China’s crackdown on Democratic dissidents in Tiananmen Square. He initially mischaracterized the entire event as a “riot” and claimed the Chinese government’s response “shows you the power of strength.” It was only under blistering criticism, including by those of his then GOP rivals for the nomination, that he backtracked and was forced to more clearly condemn the Chinese government’s response. Yes, that happened.

    Trump has more than once expressed strange admiration for other autocratic despots and tyrants. One example, on Saddam Hussein: “He was a bad guy—really bad guy. But you know what he did well? He killed terrorists. He did that so good. They didn’t read them rights. They didn’t talk. They were terrorists. Over. Today, Iraq is Harvard for terrorists”.

    There’s a number of alarming things going on there. I mean, seriously, take your pick. Here are my top concern points:

    • You know what else Saddam did well? He killed anyone who threatened his power. It has little to do with combatting terrorism and everything to do with maintaining an iron grip on power. He was a mass murdering sociopath.
    • Q: Who gets to determine who’s a “terrorist” under an autocratic regime? A: The person in charge. Think about that for a moment and then feel free to share why that’s not horrifying that a major presidential candidate would ever express anything this grotesque.
    • Due process. Fair hearings. An opportunity to defend one’s self against charges. The right to confront an accuser. The freedom not to be tortured into incriminating oneself. The presumption of innocence. These are not quaint obstacles to be blithely thrown aside in the name of combatting terrorism. They are cornerstones of our Republic. They are the precepts that American service men and women have, literally, fought and died for.
    • If you can make people scared enough, they’ll happily abandon their civil liberties while actively calling for the persecution and suppression of any perceived “other”. This is the road to fascism.

    Turning to Russia, Donald Trump has called Putin, quote “very bright” and a “strong leader” and “someone he could be close to”. He’s expressed admiration for how he’s governed (ruled) Russia, keeping in mind that Putin is indisputably an autocrat who has both jailed political opponents and muzzled all media criticism, and has recently suggested that the United States should disengage from our treaty obligations with the Baltic states. In essence allowing them to be swallowed up by Russian expansionism in the same way Ukraine is currently being parceled apart.

    That last point in particular was met with praise from Moscow. He’s been widely criticized for those comments an characterizations by both Democrats and Republicans as well as by the majority of our important allies in the international community.

    In turn, President Putin has expressed admiration for Donald Trump had has made no secret of the fact he would prefer dealing with him rather than Hillary Clinton next January. State media in Russia is loudly pro-Trump. And why wouldn’t they be? Trump’s to date expressions about how he views Russia and Russian’s foreign policy goals, ranging from NATO to Syria to China and North Korea, all far more neatly align with Putin’s than do Hillary Clinton’s, President Obama, or The State Department.

    There’s not a thing I’ve listed here you can’t easily look up and verify as being factually accurate.

    IMO, Trump is (literally) dangerous.

    #21983
    Amus
    Participant

    Putin is indisputably an autocrat who has both jailed political opponents and muzzled all media criticism

    Or worse.
    Alexander Litvinenko comes to mind.

    #21990
    LurkingGrendel
    Participant

    Trump doubled down on his pledge to leave NATO allies in a lurch “unless they pay”.

    Putin must love that. It basically green lights more Russian expansionism without having to worry about the U.S. in the event of a Trump win.

    Apparently the GOP, as well as the Trump supporters hereabouts, think this is fine and dandy and couldn’t possibly be a national security issue.

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