Flip flopping GOP counting on activist judiciary, might be miscalculating

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    Andy Brown
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    There was a time not too long ago when Republicans decried “activist judges.” This newfound love of activist judges is the latest manifestation of what has been called Obama Derangement Syndrome: The president’s opponents are so determined to thwart him that they will reverse long-held views if they believe that doing so will weaken his stature. Republicans have long deplored the filing of “frivolous lawsuits.

    As Republicans prepare to take full control of Congress on Tuesday, the party’s leaders are counting on judges, not their newly elected majority on Capitol Hill, to roll back President Obama’s aggressive second-term agenda and block his executive actions on health care, climate change and immigration.

    On health care, Republicans in Washington have sued the president and joined state lawsuits urging the Supreme Court to declare major parts of the Affordable Care Act unconstitutional. On climate change, state attorneys general and coal industry groups are urging federal courts to block the president’s plan to regulate power plants. And on immigration, conservative lawmakers and state officials have demanded that federal judges overturn Mr. Obama’s plan to prevent millions of deportations.

    Clearly a convenient turnabout for the Republican Party and a newfound willingness to seek an active role for the judiciary when it benefits conservative policy goals. Conservative legal scholars say Republicans are justified in seeking judicial relief from what they believe has been a series of egregious abuses of power by Mr. Obama. They argue that urging the courts to restrain the president’s authority is legally different from a liberal judge’s using rulings to invent new rights under the Constitution.

    The GOP leadership is looking to SCOTUS to accomplish what Republicans are failing to accomplish through legislative and political means. The question is whether this sort of talk, about a lawsuit that is supposedly all about statutory restraint and enforcing the law as written, will make Chief Justice John Roberts a bit uncomfortable about the role the SCOTUS is poised to play here. Mitch McConnell may have made a huge tactical mistake by begging the Supreme Court to gut Obamacare. The millions of people that now have healthcare coverage that didn’t before will get back at the Republicans for even trying this tactic come 2016. Even the most neutral analysis still begs the question have there ever been a more cretinous group of scumbags as the Republican leadership. They are the modern day venue for the biggest collection of lying, misogynistic, racist, greedy, violent… Shit, these motherfuckers are just plain EVIL. I really don’t how to put it more simply than that. And they’re not just some plain junior comic book villain grade form of evil. They’re a form of life-threatenlingly dangerous kind of evil.

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120468/mcconnell-king-burwell-comments-put-john-roberts-awkward-place

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/12/09/morning-plum-republicans-look-to-supreme-court-to-destroy-obamacare/

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/04/us/politics/gop-turns-to-the-courts-to-aid-agenda.html?_r=0

    #5311

    Master of Disaster
    Participant

    If I understand it right, judicial liberalism/activism and judicial conservatism are totally different than what most of us think of when we hear those terms.

    Judicial conservatism means a decision will be narrowly interpreted, sometimes only applying to a particular case.

    Liberalism/activism means a decision will be broadly interpreted to cover more than just what they’re ruling on. (Sometimes, this leads to disaster.)

    It’s obvious Republicans hate the ACA not just because of President Obama, not just because the uninsured that didn’t know they could qualify for Medicaid (even under the old rules) gained at least some form of coverage, not because it made it easier for the common person to compare and buy coverage, but because the ACA WORKS. PERIOD.

    #5317

    jerry1949
    Spectator

    Jay Sekulow, chief counsel at the American Center for Law and Justice, countered that conservatives were turning to judges more frequently because of Mr. Obama’s moves to enact sweeping policy on his own, and because gridlock in Washington had prevented Republican efforts to stop him.

    “The courts are the venue, really, to try to keep the presidential authority in check,” Mr. Sekulow said in an interview. “That’s why the conservatives are turning to the courts.”

    For years, conservatives criticized liberals who sought judicial action on civil rights or social issues.

    “We’re seeing that activist judges across the country are overturning the will of the people,” Franklin Graham, a son of the Rev. Billy Graham, told a television station in Charlotte, N.C., in October after the Supreme Court declined to review lower-court rulings that had declared same-sex marriage bans in several states unconstitutional.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/04/us/politics/gop-turns-to-the-courts-to-aid-agenda.html?_r=1

    They are the modern day venue for the biggest collection of lying, misogynistic, racist, greedy, violent… Shit, these motherfuckers are just plain EVIL. I really don’t how to put it more simply than that. And they’re not just some plain junior comic book villain grade form of evil. They’re a form of life-threatenlingly dangerous kind of evil.

    –an excpert from a 2012 post of MrScorpio of Democratic Underground. (A safe space for liberals–they don’t allow their hatespeech to be challenged).

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002691672

    #5319

    missing_kskd
    Participant

    Democrats won. That’s the problem. And they won, based on an agenda that included things like the ACA.

    An agenda that still has very broad support, mind you.

    Republicans did not win, and rather than govern, they chose to obstruct and here we are.

    Democracy works both ways.

    Democrats understand and abide by that. Republicans only support Democracy when it goes their way.

    Only one party fillibustered their own bill, just as an example. Only one party has put the full faith and credit of the nation at serious risk. Only one party holds the record for crimes and convictions in office.

    Andy says: Shit, these motherfuckers are just plain EVIL.

    Damn right.

    We’ve got one party actually governing and actually working through the process of democracy.

    The other one is nuts, doesn’t care about anything but getting it’s own way, has backed a failed economic policy, and I could go on and on.

    #5321

    Andy Brown
    Participant

    Since F&B loves investigating quotes and also loves the Bible, here are some quotes that underscore the hypocrisy of the Conservative’s love of Jesus, the Bible, and pretty much anything that they can twist to justify their hatred and bigotry. Unfortunately, their love for and obsession with the Bible does not extend to actually opening it.

    As a result of the “family values” party’s refusal to engage in bipartisan opposition to starvation, the Emergency Unemployment Compensation program expired a year ago, eliminating federal aid from over 1.3 million Americans–including the children, veterans and the elderly.
    This “let ‘em starve” mentality is justified in a number of ways in the alternate reality in which conservatives reside.

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    Deut. 15:7:
    If there is a poor man among you, one of your brothers, in any of the towns of the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart, nor close your hand to your poor brother; but you shall freely open your hand to him, and generously lend him sufficient for his need in whatever he lacks.

    Lev. 19:19
    Now when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap to the very corners of your field, neither shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. Nor shall you glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather the fallen fruit of your vineyard; you shall leave them for the needy and for the stranger.

    1 John 3:17
    But if someone who is supposed to be a Christian has money enough to live well, and sees a brother in need, and won’t help him–how can God’s love be within him?

    Prov. 14:31
    Anyone who oppresses the poor is insulting God who made them. To help the poor is to honor God. Prov. 21:13 He who shuts his ears to the cries of the poor will be ignored in his own time of need.

    Luke 3:11
    “If you have two coats,” he replied, “give one to the poor. If you have extra food, give it away to those who are hungry.”

    2 Cor. 9:9
    It is as the Scriptures say: “The godly man gives generously to the poor. His good deeds will be an honor to him forever.”

    Isa. 58:7
    I want you to share your food with the hungry and bring right into your own homes those who are helpless, poor, and destitute. Clothe those who are cold, and don’t hide from relatives who need your help

    Luke 6:20-21
    Blessed are you who are poor, for yours in the kingdom of God. Blessed are you who hunger now, for you shall be satisfied. Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh.

    Prov. 22:9
    He who is generous will be blessed, for he gives some of his food to the poor.

    Ezek. 22:29,31
    “The people of the land have practiced oppression and committed robbery, and they have wronged the poor and needy and have oppressed the sojourner without justice… Thus I have poured out My indignation on them; I have consumed them with the fire of My wrath; their way I have brought upon their heads,” declares the Lord GOD.

    James 5:1-6
    Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries which are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments have become moth-eaten. …Behold, the pay of the laborers who mowed your fields, and with you have withheld, cries out against you; and the outcry of the harvesters has reached the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth. You have lived luxuriously on the earth and led a life of wanton pleasure; you have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter.

    F&B is, like the conservative cretins he supports, as phony as a three dollar bill when it comes to their endearment of religious principles and certainty that Jesus is down with letting poor people starve. There is no lower pond scum then people like that. The disgusting odor around these people makes me gag. The Bible indicates otherwise. The ultimate stupidity of conservative Republicans is so plainly obvious to anyone that can read a book (these conservatives claim they can, but apparently don’t). Make no mistake. The right wing crazies mean to do ill. They mean to hurt other Americans if they don’t get their way. Republicans are homophobic, racist, faux religious, hypocrites, sexist, anti-abortion, anti-freedom gun trotting fascist assholes. Having Dubya as president showed us it takes just one republican to fuck up a nation.

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    Jesus hippie cartoon

    #5323

    skeptical
    Participant

    #5330

    duxrule
    Participant

    Sekulow and those shysters at the ACLJ? Good luck with that clown posse. He’s lucky to have Pat Robertson keeping him in hair gel. Notice how the RWNJ’s/O’Haters have no respect for the third component of our Constitutionally-formed government, UNTIL it’s something that they think will benefit their agenda. IN the F&B/ACLJ world: Rejection of voter-passed initiatives that violate Constitutional rights=bad; targeting legally-passed laws that benefit the American people=good.

    #5331

    Amus
    Participant

    –an excpert from a 2012 post of MrScorpio of Democratic Underground. (A safe space for liberals–they don’t allow their hatespeech to be challenged).

    Democratic Underground is the Liberal equivalent of Free Republic.

    Would you like me to go over there and start pulling quotes to attribute them to all Conservatives?

    They make what you posted quite tame by comparison.

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