October 31, 2015 at 2:25 pm #15104semoochieParticipant
I was looking for an update on marijuana sales and this is all I could find: http://www.golocalpdx.com/news/marijuana-sales-have-doubled-in-1st-month-of-retail-sales-says-business-leaOctober 31, 2015 at 2:31 pm #15105
It’s a gold rush, land grab right now. Everyone and their brother is setting up shop hoping to get one of the various OLCC Pot licenses.
This will settle down and consolidate some, but not for a bit. Most people are going to have a great year.
On my last trip through PDX, I saw an absolutely nuts number of dispensaries. Crazy times!October 31, 2015 at 8:12 pm #15108Alfredo_TParticipant
“this board has replaced some of the pre-Internet social groups that I once had.”
Now THAT’s just sad/pathetic.
This board has been around for a really long time. I discovered it circa 1998-1999. I’ve been seeing Edsel’s postings here since at least 2007, and I think that I met him at one of the get-togethers around then.
The question that I would like to post both rhetorically and to you (Gouge), is, how many of us have the exact same group of friends and acquaintances that we had since 2007? I don’t because “life happens.” Since that time a number of things have happened in my life that have really shaken things up:
1) Several of my friends co-workers have died from health problems (one from a ruptured aneurysm, two from brain tumors, and one from cancer) another friend died from old age.
2) I changed jobs.
3) I quit my involvement with a political party. In the mid 2000s, I was spending a good deal of time and meeting many people through political activities. Of all the people I met there, I only keep in touch with two of them.
4) An atheists’ group that I was involved with disbanded. These people all went their separate ways, and I haven’t talked to any of them in years. A number of these people have died.
5) In the late 2000s, I joined an events planning group called MEETinPORTLAND (often abbreviated and pronounced “MiPL”). At that time, this was an extremely active group; they had multiple activities going on each day, with Saturdays typically having 8-10 different events. In that era, a house party planned through the site might have been able to draw 150 people! I stopped regularly attending these events in 2010. I have only kept in touch with a handful of people from that group. Today, the MEETinPORTLAND calendar has very few activities, and the attendance typically ranges from a few people to about 20; there are no more wild house parties with over 100 people. I’ve found out that the group disintegrated because some people are simply past the point in their lives where the group appealed to them (some coupled-up, married, had children, etc.), some people moved away from Portland, and others stopped using the site in favor of Facebook, Meetup, and other social networking sites.
6) I entered a long-term relationship and married. This shifted my activities toward things designed for couples. Early in our relationship, I took my girlfriend to a MEETin house party, and the culture that she perceived at that event didn’t click with her.
[Addendum: When I experienced MEETin in 2007, I recall thinking that I was witnessing proof that the Internet reached a milestone wherein it had become mainstream enough that people from many walks of life–including a fairly high number of non-technical individuals–were using it in their daily lives.]November 1, 2015 at 2:23 am #15111skepticalParticipant
Continuing off topic, I read a story somewhere and can’t find the link, but it basically argues millennials are redefining “friendship” and they are assigning higher value to certain “friends” they know only online and likely will never meet than to many or most of the people they know in person.
There is one “culture” (community, rather, to be factually correct) that is being destroyed by the internet and a new community taking its place — the deaf community. Previously, deaf people required face-to-face gatherings — even when the telephone was invented. However, the widespread use of teletypewriters in the 60s caused the closure of deaf-owned physical deaf clubs (buildings) because they could now contact each other in advance and plan gathering elsewhere instead of habbitually meeting at the same place all the time. The internet pushed this further and even more just stay home and engage in forums like this and vlog each other on listserves. The gouges of the world whine of the demise of deaf clubs and “culture” but deaf kids today know nothing of deaf clubs and can barely recall teletypewriters.November 1, 2015 at 8:23 am #15112AmusParticipant
One more Quora post & I’ll stop hijacking this thread;
I’d like to clarify something right off the bat.
When I said I went to Quora to find viewpoints that challenged me, I meant no disrespect to anyone here, (well OK maybe a couple), but I don’t want to just be in a Liberal version of the bubble.
I want to hear, if not actually interact with a rational opposing viewpoint. We used to get some of that from Deane & Skybill, but they’ve been silent for some time.
I still contend that, generally speaking, Conservatives are more comfortable in a setting where their viewpoints are validated rather than challenged and when that happens they feel picked upon. There seems to be some of that there too.
Not to say it doesn’t happen on the Left, but the Conservative bubble is well established and they’ve gotten used to the validation.
Yeah, Gary is great, really just what I was looking for, and has made me re-examine more than one belief, and the one time I’ve had an exchange with him I really have to check my work. I gain from that.
To me, he is to Conservatism there, what Chris is to Christianity here.
A sanity check on the crazy.
I do kind of see him as Oliver Wendell Douglas from Green Acres in that he is a sane person in the bat shit crazy town of Hooterville.
The difference being that the Green Acres character recognizes the crazies for what they are, while Gary seems be somewhat in denial about their numbers and power.
Maybe He’s right. I hope so.
But when it comes down to it, they will both defend their crazies against outsiders.November 1, 2015 at 2:00 pm #15115
Yes, you mirror my reasons exactly. (sorry for the side discussion guys)
And yes, the “picked on” is there. It’s largely in the form of, challenges to moderation, claims of being unwelcome, etc… Most of our Dodge List plays out on Quora, though often it’s a bit more subtle. Claim of too many opponents comes up, as does voting cartels, etc… The real truth is a lot of people will vote up high value stuff, even when they don’t agree with it. The other truth is the validation seekers vote it all down, unless it’s validation they want. Nobody knows what the real ratios are though.
There are a group of us who run a “Court of Public Downvote Appeal” and by far the most troublesome topics are politics and religion. (that thing is cool. You bring your trouble, whatever it is, and you ask for peer judgement and advice. People give it unabashedly, honestly, and brutally. Then you take what you will from that and everyone moves on. Powerful. There is kind of an unsaid norm where what gets said there gets said to help one improve or understand, and that’s it. Not personal at all.)
With Religion, it comes down to people very strongly voting against anyone they don’t agree with, and or claims of abuse, mistreatment, etc… when confronted with others who either do not believe, or who believe very differently. Free speech is not well understood either.
On politics, it’s a lot of claims of “unfair” or “all opinions deserve to be heard”, and the truth is opinions are just opinions. Many conservatives appear to believe more in making sure everyone is heard than they do the merits of what is being said. Lots of those have come up.
It does mirror what we experienced here, though a bit nicer and more structured in how it has played out.
For what it’s worth, I’ve seen a whole pile of FOX News types show up, get confronted with basic realities, rage, and are just gone. Similar things have happened with the various anarchists and or soverign citizen types, though they are much, much smarter about it.
Interestingly, I take considerable heat for progressive ideas. It’s a near constant barrage of “but the Democrats…” pre 1960 history, “free markets solve everything”, and “SOCIALIST COMMIE FUD” Expressing Progressive ideas on Quora is not a walk in the park.
Seems fair to me, on that basis alone.
Regarding the crazies, yeah! I really don’t know either. I’m not sure anybody does. There is broad denial about the Freedom Caucus, with Cruz and friends at the helm. Crazy central right there, in the house, causing a lot of grief. The most common defense is, “they have to oppose because the nation is doomed” or some other such thing. A secondary one is the idea that opposition has value in and of itself, doesn’t matter if there is an alternative being presented, just oppose the bad and good is left over.
This idea runs rampant in conservative circles, and is probably a great place to center in on the differences our two parties demonstrate every day it seems.
The International audience is quite interesting. Some of them are shocked at what American Conservatives see as reasonable policy. They will often clarify what the policy overseas really is and how it plays out in ordinary, daily life. I find this extremely valuable.
One thing Quora does better is there being an end to a discussion. Pose the question, everybody puts up their answer, and it’s only one answer, and then hash it out in comments. Once it’s done, it’s done. Move on.
Judgement on merits happens over time. People read, vote, etc… and rather good stuff bubbles up to the top.
For example, there have been a few “why should we let the gays marry?” type questions posed. These overwhelmingly favored our current policy direction, and the support came from all over the place too. I was kind of surprised at that. Secondly, gay, trans, black, women, etc… are all fairly well represented, well known, and the administrators really won’t tolerate those people taking abuse they shouldn’t. The ban hammer comes down very regularly, as it should IMHO.
So, it’s an awful lot harder to express the kinds of toxic stuff that drove us nuts here. People like Dan Holiday, who is cool as hell, unabashedly gay, smart, likable, athiest, etc… put their life out there for the rest to read. And, it’s powerful. We realize we have more in common than we don’t, and we also realize we are hurting our friend Dan a lot by calling it all “disordered”, “a sin”, etc… too.
It’s remarkable. Be Nice, Be Respectful, when properly moderated actually means being a good human to the other humans, and that plays out in powerful ways I’ve not encountered anywhere else.
Here, we kind of stall. It gets really ugly, then it gets personal, then it’s just insane. Damage happens, whoever is left standing continues, etc…
We have that more wrong than right. But it’s not the real expression. Hey, if you are an ass, it’s time to face that and deal. Long discussion, and we’ve had it, so let’s not have it again.
It’s not that at all. There are tons of ways to have that discussion and have it be meaningful, but no matter how you have it, people will pick up on how others see them, and they either improve, rage out, or leave, whatever.
Works here too, and it works out that way there, and everywhere actually.
When people call for more effective moderation, or rules, etc… what they really want is that shield to say whatever the hell they want with no meaningful consequences.
Not gonna happen. Here, you get called out. There, you suddenly find out nobody reads you anymore, and your friends start asking tough questions…
No, it’s that we don’t have an end. That, to me, is the most powerful realization to come of the experiment. Not having an end is good in one way, and that’s our long running dialog here. Good stuff man.
But it’s really bad in that getting stuck means getting really stuck, and we have that wrong. There has got to be a meaningful end where it’s all on the table, people can take what they want from it and move on to the next thing, or come back to it later on.
**Yeah, Gary, Ian, and a few others there will really make you think and in a good way.
We very seriously need a better dialog. Politics in the US is really crappy. Some of my friends from overseas regularly wonder how we even manage it at all, and wonder if we actually do! Bush scared the crap out of them. Some of the players we’ve got on deck scare ’em too, yet here we are, not really doing news, not really doing debates, not really talking.
It’s a wonder we don’t just gun everybody down and settle it old school.
Anyway, maybe this little chat was worth it.
How do we here get to an end, when we are stuck, and it just escalates into a total mess? Fair, and necessary question, IMHO.November 1, 2015 at 2:07 pm #15116
@Alfredo, I have had changes too. This small group has been reasonably constant. There isn’t anything like it.
Well, not for the kind of discussion we can have here.
For other things, I’ve had a lot of constants. Programming, hobby, fun…
To me, it’s extremely high value, because I know everyone and that helps a lot with context. When one just shows up somewhere, it takes a really long time to get anywhere close to the same meaning.
My work life is in flux. I’ve got a set of constants for over 20 years. A few of us stay in touch, help one another, scheme, do projects, etc… But I’ve changed things up twice in a short time. I don’t like it much.
Might change again, but center in on that trusted crowd. We all spread out some, and it’s been ugly. People can be shitty, and or completely untrustworthy. We may have something of value, and it appears a few of us are gonna find out.
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