April 11, 2019 at 10:28 am #41455
With the collusion narrative dead and screams of ‘But taxes’ already dying, the left is cornered.
Exposure is coming.
And they know it.
Given the Executive Office, a majority in the Supreme Court and an increased majority in the US Senate, don’t expect history to look kindly on the spying from the left.
Treason is not treated the same as other crimes.
Can you say military tribunals?
Denial won’t work.
Because they have it ALL.
She thought she was above the law and no one would ever find out.
Tick…tock…tick…tock…..April 11, 2019 at 10:51 am #41456missing_kskdParticipant
The people under discussion are not really “the left” in the economic sense.
Social progress has come at a high economic cost. Corruption has it’s implications and costs too.
Our house is dirty. And Herb, the GOP is a big part of that dirty house, the difference now being we see corruption and dubious on a good day ethics, abound in establishment government.
What gets left out of all this drama surrounding general fuckery is the American people and rapidly escalating problems driving poverty, poor life expectancy, crime, and more well known, but almost completely absent from the media narrative.
The left is actually organizing and looking to improve on the core driving so damn much malfeasance.
Anyone looking to improve things for all Americans does not see the GOP in a favorable light.
Yeah, ugly all around. Fine, let them chew each other up. Perhaps more progressives can fill the vacuum.April 11, 2019 at 11:41 am #41458VitalogyParticipant
Release the report. Release his taxes.April 11, 2019 at 4:48 pm #41460AndrewParticipant
Nixon was innocent too, right Herb?April 11, 2019 at 7:21 pm #41461April 11, 2019 at 7:42 pm #41463
Herb, you have quite a hodgepodge of right-wing trigger terms there.
Spying: government surveilling a private party or foreign government
Treason: an American individual or group acting overtly against the United States
Collusion: secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy
Military Tribunals: courts that try members of enemy forces during wartime, operating outside the scope of conventional criminal and civil proceedings.
SO…government is acting against individuals…or are individuals acting against government? And they (whoever they are?) are the enemy of…the President? Who, by the way, is not the United States (remember, we are not a monarchy, and the president is not king). And because we are at war, there shall be military tribunals…except, we are not at war – right? Because if we’re not, how do tribunals work…?
Jeez, man – pick a direction.April 12, 2019 at 2:15 pm #41467
Let’s start with spying.
It’s surveillance if you have a legitimate court order. It’s spying if you lie to a FISA judge.
Don’t believe me?
It’s all coming out.April 12, 2019 at 2:32 pm #41468AndrewParticipant
Herb, when the president does it, it’s not illegal. Don’t you remember?April 12, 2019 at 3:18 pm #41469
Is it just me, or does the entirety of the Anti-Trump Conspiracy Rube Goldberg Apparatus dangle at the end of a thin thread titled “The Steele Dossier Is A Lie”? Because that heartfelt (not evidence-based) belief seems to be the axiom of most every rabid right theory.
Which would make it hilarious if the dossier were proven accurate.April 12, 2019 at 3:19 pm #41470BorderblasterParticipant
It’s surveillance if you have a warrant
It’s perjury if you lie to a FISA judge.April 12, 2019 at 7:26 pm #41471semoochieParticipant
When asked if he still loved Wikileaks, Donald Trump responded that he didn’t know Wikileaks and that it wasn’t his thing, this after saying how great Wikileaks was 140 times!April 13, 2019 at 8:53 am #41475
It became redundant a long time ago to repeatedly point out how incredibly hypocritical and deceptive Trump is.April 16, 2019 at 9:38 am #41483
There wasn’t one spy campaign against the Trump team. There were three.
1. The Clinton team’s first plan to hit the Trump team was manipulate queries in the NSA database. NSA has a database with a boatload of information. Contacts, meta data, financial, tax. But what happens? Plan A is how they’re going to spy on Mr. Trump.
The Obama administration figures out that through unmasking, in other words wiretapping people, pretending they’re targeting foreigners, then querying information in this database, they can get all the political opposition research in the world that they need against the Trump team. It’s beautiful, no one’s going to call them out, since the media’s on their side, right?
But something happens the Clinton team didn’t expect. That’s because as head of the NSA, Admiral Rogers noticed irregularities in who was accessing the NSA database, including contractors who normally would not. Once they realize Admiral Rogers of the NSA is on to them, so Plan B is formulated. The Hillary team starts thinking ‘we better ease up on the unmasking and the tapping into the database, people are getting caught, this is probably not good, we’re leaving a massive paper trail, and what if we lose?’
2. Plan B is ‘cross fire hurricane.’ That’s essentially ‘If we can’t spy on them illegally, let’s just spy on them legally.’ They had this beautiful thing called the FISA Court. That’s where they can walk into the FISA Court and get a warrant on somebody. From there, it’s easy to get a warrant on somebody in the Trump team. Why? Because there’s this thing called the ‘two hop rule.’
That means if they spy on you and you’re a member of the Trump team, they can then monitor everybody you emailed and then everybody they emailed. So basically all I need to do is get a FISA warrant on the guy cleaning the floors in Trump Tower, and they’ve got everyone. Because if the janitor emailed his cleaning supervisor boss and his boss emailed Don, Jr., they get everybody. Beautiful, right?
Not really. Because they screwed up. The problem with the FISA Court, unlike the unmaskings and tapping into the database, is that they had to produce actual evidence in front of a judge. There was a judge in a FISA Court that needed evidence that the Trump team was working on behalf of a foreign power, but critically doing it in violation of law.
Plan B falls apart because something happens in November, 2016. Donald Trump wins. Hillary’s team was so smart, yet they didn’t see it coming. Everybody thought this was all going to go away, they were going to appoint their own administration, including probably John Brennan. This story was never to see the light of day.
3. Once Mr. Trump is elected, they have to move on to Plan C because they’re in real trouble. To avoid jail time, people affiliated with the Clinton campaign start cooperating. Now there’s real panic. This explains John Brennan’s meltdown after the election. So to distract from the firestorm headed their way, a distraction is needed, also called the collusion narrative. Enter Robert Mueller. Yet after millions spent over several years, the result was no collusion. The shiny object of Plan C may have delayed justice for Hillary’s police state team, but it won’t be denied, even now in their final gasps of desperation while uttering ‘On to taxes.’
A to B to C.
Three ways to spy on the Trump campaign.
And the NSA, with all their monitoring capability, was not just aware of it. They uncovered it. Count on one fact. They have it ALL and Spygate is never going back in the toothpaste tube.
The next time you suggest Watergate was the biggest deal ever, wait until the rest comes out about Spygate. Because it’s in the process of happening now.April 16, 2019 at 10:28 am #41484VitalogyParticipant
Okie dokie!April 16, 2019 at 11:17 am #41485BorderblasterParticipant
The Epoch Times is “one of the staunchest defenders of Donald Trump’s presidency.
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