Boy shoots through window, kills friend trying to wake him

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    Vitalogy
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    A Montana boy startled at being awakened in the middle of the night fired a shot through his bedroom window and killed the 15-year-old friend who had been knocking and throwing pebbles at his window, police said Monday.

    Billings police officers found the teen with a gunshot wound to his head early Sunday, and he died at a hospital a short time later. Police identified the victim as Mackeon Schulte, the Billings Gazette reported.

    Schulte and another boy were spending the night together and showed up at their friend’s house about 2:30 a.m. Sunday, according to a statement by Billings Police Chief Rich St. John released Monday.

    The two knocked on their friend’s window and threw pebbles in an attempt to wake him, St. John said.

    “When their friend awoke, he was startled by the noise and saw faces outside the window,” St. John’s statement said. “He didn’t know who they were and was scared.”

    The boy grabbed a gun that was in the bedroom and fired through the window, striking Schulte in the head, the statement said. The second boy outside the window was not hurt.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/boy-shoots-through-window-kills-friend-trying-to-wake-him/ar-BBjVEo1

    The parents of the shooter should be held responsible for having a gun available in the “boy’s” room.

    #10767
    edselehr
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    Another sad story from today’s “shoot first” society.

    #10773
    skeptical
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    The minor had a gun in the bedroom.

    #10779
    missing_kskd
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    Instant regret for sure.

    The minor had a loaded gun in the bedroom.

    I’ll be honest here, I grew up with a friend, much like these two, where stay overs were common. We did it all the time, and his bedroom had guns in it, right along with a reloader for shells, ham radio gear, computer, and a bunch of other stuff. Not exactly toyland. The guns were a part of it about age 16.

    My room growing up was similar, though I kept no guns. An unaware or uninformed person could get hurt in both rooms.

    The gun should not be in there. But if it is in there, it should not be ready to shoot, and that person needs to understand the weapon and follow protocols related to it.

    I would expect the gun in room scenario to be more common than all of us would expect, given the rural area and norms in play there. But what is the context?

    Before age 18, I had been hunting, doing it all from kill to plate on the table, as had my friend. As I’ve written before, I grew up poor and sometimes one did what it took. That experience was valuable, and it provided meaningful context in terms of maturity and overall understanding.

    And I’m writing this, not to defend the gun being there, nor the actions of the kid. Note, there is a very significant difference between a 15-18 year old who has had life experiences and one living largely as a child. The former can handle a weapon being present. The latter is a catalyst for bad things happening.

    I think I’m writing it, because this event makes me think about growing up and the experiences people have and what that all means. I had plenty of relevant experiences, many with that friend, and would not have used the weapon out of hand like that. “somebody could get killed” would have been front and center.

    There were many days out in the woods, on some adventure or other, where “somebody could get killed or hurt” was present and under consideration, and the very simple reality was pay attention or bad things happen. Grew up with that.

    I don’t think this kid did.

    Which takes me back to the mandatory education bit. If we are to have these guns everywhere, then we also have a responsibility to make damn sure people get educated and proper norms get established. I’m sure that didn’t happen here either.

    So those of us who want better gun control and less guns overall will point to this and say, “guns are bad”, and are right about it, given the lack of education, norms, etc… associated with so many people and their guns.

    Those of us who oppose gun control, and may actually promote more guns, will point to this and say something along the lines of, “personal responsibility” or “negligence” and be right about it too, but I don’t hear those statements about education and strong norms.

    Why is that?

    We seem to be somewhere in the middle where the anti people are making enough noise that we can’t get meaningful progress on education and norms, due to the pro people not feeling like they can get anywhere, so they hunker down and just deny any meaningful changes or steps to manage the harm.

    IMHO, there is also something to the idea that better norms and education will come with more liability and responsibility. This is a clear negative to the pro gun crowd, as well as the anti crowd, who would see that as surrender.

    With it all entrenched, things like this happen, and all I can express is empathy for how horrible all of that is, and frustration over the dialog being broken enough that it’s gonna happen again and again.

    Like so much of our politics right now, people want it their way, or think they understand how it is and should be and just spend time clashing.

    Few of us are actually willing, and I submit able, to see how it is and take steps to make it work. If more of us thought that way, a whole lot more would work a whole lot better than it currently does.

    #10788
    Vitalogy
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    New Rule: No boots on the ground until ISIS kills at least as many Americans as our three-year-olds do.

    So far this year, American kids have killed way more Americans than terrorists have. Gun safety groups have compiled what they call the #NotAnAccident Index, which illustrates that, so far this year, “there have been at least 80 unintentional shootings involving children, resulting in 57 injuries and 24 deaths—that’s an average of one unintentional child shooting in America every 36 hours.”

    What if ISIS somehow had the means to shoot an American once every 36 hours until their demands were met? We’d be racing to develop a drone powerful enough to carry Fat Man and Little Boy.

    At least 26 of the 80+ Americans accidentally shot by kids this year were shot by kids five years old or younger. Forget the war on terror. We need a war on toddlers.

    It’s getting to the point where children being “seen, but not heard” means they’re using a silencer.

    http://www.real-time-with-bill-maher-blog.com/index/2015/5/19/shoots-and-ladders

    #10793
    Deane Johnson
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    We need to get cars off the streets also.

    #10795
    Vitalogy
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    No we don’t. Non-comparable.

    #10800
    missing_kskd
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    We have mandatory education, liability, licensing, and registration for cars and those who use them.

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