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  • #38889

    Andrew
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    From the article: “Kansas appears to have seen enough. A progressive civil rights attorney, James Thompson, won the nomination in the Fourth District, on a platform calling for Medicare for all, marijuana legalization, an end to mandatory minimum prison sentences, investment in programs to end homelessness and a robustly progressive platform across the board.”

    Kansas’s 4th district is solidly Republican (Mike Pompeo’s old district!) – Trump won it by 27%. In the primary this week, about 30,000 Democrats in the district turned out to vote. About 69,000 Republicans turned out.

    Although I suppose it’s possible Thompson could win in the general, it seems pretty unlikely. More likely, no one really wanted to run for Congress as a Democrat in a race they are pretty sure to lose with a 2:1 Republican to Democrat ratio. So unless Thompson pulls off a miracle and wins the general, I wouldn’t exactly call this any sort of “victory” for Berniecrats. It would be like an extreme conservative winning the Republican nomination Oregon’s 3rd district (Portland, represented by Blumenauer). No Republican is going to win here; a Republican winning the nomination in the 3rd

    Rather, the Berniecrats are just desperate for some hint of good news that isn’t there.

    #38896

    missing_kskd
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    Progressives will get some seats and will do ot on votes, not money. That is good news.

    Then we build on it.

    Even the racists and bigots need health care and living wages. As the ugly mess to come hits home, progressives will get more votes, and the same is true as younger voters continue to age in. They are majority non party affiliated and are strongly issue driven. The latter is because they actually have real, growing, very painful issues.

    #38897

    cbaravelli
    Spectator

    If you want “Hope and Change”, the most powerful mantra in democratic politics, there are political science ‘textbooks’ available. Read, study and understand the ‘Germans’, from Goethe to Goebbels. Post-Modern interpretations from Chomsky to Alinsky have worth as well as the English form of socialist political theory:
    https://s3.jacobinmag.com/issues/jacobin-abcs.pdf
    I sit in the classical Mediterranean school. Individuals form the society not societies form the individual. I have serious problems with Marxism – Leninism. Engels fought at the barricades while Marx ran away to Paris and Trotsky was the true social populist.

    If the means justify the ends crisis, not chaos, must be created first.

    #38901

    Andrew
    Participant

    Missing: “Even the racists and bigots need health care and living wages. As the ugly mess to come hits home, progressives will get more votes, and the same is true as younger voters continue to age in. They are majority non party affiliated and are strongly issue driven. The latter is because they actually have real, growing, very painful issues.”

    Right – but they aren’t voting your way, except in tiny numbers, in any party. I again point you to Washington’s 3rd district, where the Berniecrat candidate couldn’t even crack 5% in an open primary, where all of those “non party affiliated” voters could vote. This was a decent candidate, too – a military veteran who is anti-war and pretty much on board with everything Bernie subscribes to. If you aren’t worried about the outcome of races like this, you should be.

    #38902

    cbaravelli
    Spectator

    WA3D example is a malaprop because Congresshuperson Beuttler is
    A. the incumbent,
    2. DNC money and
    c. mass media supports her because she is
    4. the incumbernt and
    E. DNC money.

    #38903

    missing_kskd
    Participant

    >but they aren’t voting your way, except in tiny numbers, in any party.

    Yet. And that varies widely by region.

    I will say, “tiny” numbers needs to be qualified. The general elections will deliver much better data. The majority of Americans have compelling, and life impacting reasons to look hard at what prigressives have to say.

    Neither party establishment can make the same claim. (Which is why we are doing what we are doing.)

    Every win, every issue campaign (and I am a huge fan of those for many reasons), etc… impacts that to the positive.

    Fact is, progressives have the strongest policy alignment there is right now. Nobody else is about labor. Most of us are labor, most of us are in ugly and escalating economic need too.

    Amd just watch as it does pull left. Already has.

    Good.

    More needed.

    #38914

    missing_kskd
    Participant

    Looking good. Over 50 percent. No big money.

    And…

    What change looks like.

    #38915

    Andrew
    Participant

    Great – Sarah Smith came in 2nd in Washington’s 9th district (Seattle) behind the incumbent Democrat, Adam Smith, who beat her by 24% in the open primary. In the general, only the two Democrats will be on the ballot. Will the 25% who voted for the Republican support Sarah Smith? Highly doubt it. More likely, in what looks like a Democratic Blue Wave more and more, Republicans are so unpopular in a deep blue district that the Republican candidate (same one who came in second in 2016) couldn’t even do it in the primary this time.

    I suppose it’s possible Sarah Smith will make up that 25% gap by November, but it sounds really unlikely. Even if she does, so what? Just another lefty-left district going to a Berniecrat – no net pick-up of seats in the House. Democrats need to gain seats in the House to win the majority again. Being in the minority means squat especially in the House.

    This is another reach for a meaningless “victory.”

    #38916

    missing_kskd
    Participant

    Meaningless in what context?

    Pulling the party left matters. Gaining seats matters too.

    From the progressive point of view, it all adds up.

    #38942

    cbaravelli
    Spectator
    #38947

    missing_kskd
    Participant

    Don’t believe it.

    At some point, costs can exceed returns. That can happen via severe unrest, denial of well greased legislation, making the ugly public, all sorts of things.

    Takes a lot. And people play long games too.

    We did put money into the works, but we did not yet actually redefine where the authority to govern comes from.

    #38956

    cbaravelli
    Spectator

    I was a “Street Fighting Man” long ago until I found the truth. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Noogle is no longer in the White House. Amazon is now. Besides, there’s money in popular socialism. Saul Alinksy is living quite well near the French south coast.
    Sugar pills from Disney:
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/progressive-candidates-bounce-back-gop-eyes-midwest-races/story?id=57183800
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/progressive-christine-hallquist-1st-transgender-gubernatorial-nominee-major/story?id=57183951

    #38962

    cbaravelli
    Spectator

    Ukraine is the classic example.

    Viktor Yanukovych, a pro – Ruski oligarch, is elected President which the Supreme Court later calls unlawful. Paul Manafort’s company did ‘consulting’ work for him.

    Before the “Orange Revolution” in 2010, his opponent, Prime Minister and pro – Ukraine oligarch Viktor Yushchenko, is poisoned. Paul Manafort’s company did ‘consulting’ work for him.

    Riots and blood on the streets force Yanukovych to flee. While in Russia for most of election campaign, Yanukovych is re-elected President. Paul Manafort’s company did not do ‘consulting’ work for him but switched clients.

    More “Euromaiden” riots and more blood on the streets. Yanukovych runs away again and a “moderate” oligarch, Petro Poroshenko, is elected President. Paul Manafort’s company did ‘consulting’ work for him.

    Ruski response is more practical. Besides invading the Crimea and 1/3 of Ukraine, a very effective (mis)information campaign using new media is fine tuned. This is 2014.

    As the Manafort trial goes to jury, what I find fascinating is tax fraud allegations occur during the time when some of his company income comes indirectly from the U.S. State Department and USAID.

    While attending college, I asked a Ukraine – Rus FEZ what he thought of the new President.
    “He’s an asshole.”
    But what about the old President?
    “He’s a lying asshole.”

    Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

    Redux

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