Bernie to go after the prize again

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    paulwalker
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    I have backed off from opinions on this side of the board for the past year, but doesn’t mean I can’t provide a link. Go at it!

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bernie-sanders-set-to-announce-2020-presidential-run/ar-BBSKd7e

    #40802

    Andrew
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    I don’t think he has much of a shot if he runs.

    Remember, in 2016, many people voted in the primary not for “Bernie Sanders” but for “Not Hillary.” And he was really the only alternative candidate to Hillary who drew a clear distinction to her. Martin O’Malley seemed like a good, upright guy and everything, but he didn’t exactly embrace a coherent alternate view to Clinton like Sanders did.

    You can see that some of the Bernie voters had only a fickle loyalty to him; once he dropped out of the primary and endorsed Clinton, the “Never Hillary” nutters felt betrayed and surely wouldn’t support him again in 2020. In any case, in 2020, the nutters will probably latch on to Tulsi Gabbard assuming she runs. And the anti-corporation anti-Wall Street crowd can go with Elizabeth Warren. These kind of alternatives weren’t in the race in 2016.

    The article you linked to above says that Sanders “was emboldened by early polls of the race that have consistently showed him as one of the top candidates in a crowded Democratic primary field. In particular, the source said Sanders was heartened to see numbers indicating he is one of the leading candidates among African American and Latino voters, two groups he was perceived as struggling with in 2016.” Hey, Bernie, did it occur to you that you lead in these early polls mostly because no one has yet HEARD of the other candidates? He has big name recognition from 2016. Of course he would in many polls, given that respondents may not know a lot about the others in the race yet.

    Plus…Sanders is four more years older. Although I personally don’t see that as a big liability against Trump, compared to the other younger blood in the race, Sanders doesn’t compare very well. (Elizabeth Warren is almost eight years younger, and even she looks old compared to Kirsten Gillibrand (age 52) and Kamala Harris (age 54).

    But – hey, why not? Hop on board, Bernie! Should be quite a crowded stage at that first debate.

    #40803

    Chris_Taylor
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    Yeah, it’s a different go-around this time. Some of Bernie’s progressives got in during the mid-term, so that stirred the pot a bit.

    Should be an interesting couple of years politically for the Dems.

    #40804

    paulwalker
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    And “Missing” will check in here in 3-2-1…

    (with all respect to KSKD)

    #40805

    Vitalogy
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    Fuck Bernie and fuck his supporters. He, and they, are why we have Trump.

    I don’t think he has a chance either. My bigger concern is how he will help Trump get re-elected.

    #40806

    Andrew
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    I don’t think Bernie will be much of a factor this time, actually. I suppose he might endorse one candidate or another and that might be significant in a close race.

    The real worry for Democrats will be whether they can unite around one candidate. They did pretty quickly in 2004 around Kerry – he was pretty much the nominee after Iowa. Democrats just wanted to unite against Bush. Maybe they will again in 2020, but we seem to have deeper fissures in the Democratic party now. If voters wind up divided like in 2016, with the losing side having to be cajoled to “vote for the nominee anyway,” it might be another difficult race against Trump.

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