Bernie is Surging

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  • #12996
    duxrule
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    Boom. He also leads ALL of the GOP Klown Kar partiers.

    Sanders surges past Hillary in New Hampshire

    “…Sanders leads Clinton 44 to 37 percent among likely Democratic primary voters, the first time the former secretary of state has trailed in the primary campaign, according to the Franklin Pierce University/Boston Herald poll of 442 New Hampshire residents.”

    http://nypost.com/2015/08/12/sanders-surges-past-hillary-in-new-hampshire/

    Almost Every Major Poll Shows Bernie Sanders Challenging or Defeating Clinton and Republicans. Here’s Why

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/almost-every-major-poll-shows-bernie-sanders_b_7937906.html

    #12997
    edselehr
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    As much as I like Bernie, he’s going to end up being the Howard Dean of this election cycle. He’ll bring energy and new ideas to the election, but won’t be able to last toe-to-toe with the big monied mainstream candidates.

    #13001
    Andy Brown
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    “won’t be able to last toe-to-toe with the big monied mainstream candidates.”

    Perhaps. But if you read the article you would have to take note of this:

    . . . Quinnipiac’s recent swing state poll explains that Sanders actually performs better than Hillary Clinton in battleground states:

    In several matchups in Iowa and Colorado, another Democratic contender, U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, runs as well as, or better than Clinton against Rubio, Bush and Walker.
    Clinton gets markedly negative favorability ratings in each state, 35-56 percent in Colorado, 33-56 percent in Iowa and 41-50 percent in Virginia.
    “Hillary Clinton’s numbers have dropped among voters in the key swing states of Colorado, Iowa and Virginia. She has lost ground in the horserace and on key questions about her honesty and leadership,” said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.”

    #13002
    Langston
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    As with Dean the DNC, with the aid of the media, will seek to discredit Bernie (remember Dean scream), most likely before the first debate in October.

    #13011
    duxrule
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    Sure they will, but that could also backfire. People seem to be pretty fed up with the traditional machine.

    #13014
    missing_kskd
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    They are going to have to attack Bernie factually. He’s got no scandals, a great record and is completely willing to sell his policy vision.

    Bernie is selling “better” and he’s got great, factual support for his ideas.

    The DNC, et al. are selling something else, but they want people to imply it’s better, not that it actually will be.

    #13015
    Langston
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    Never underestimate the power of big corporate media.

    #13016
    missing_kskd
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    Indeed.

    I do not doubt that influence. What I am saying is their message will be impacted by this, and the same is true for Trump, BTW.

    And that is a net positive for everyone, whether Bernie wins or not.

    Unlike Trump, Bernie will succeed in forcing a more rational dialog about policy priorities and a meta discussion on influence and media overall.

    Right now, big media is buying Internet media looking for greater message control.

    People are picking up on that and I am not sure big media will realize the degree of control they seek. They are extremely likely to get the basic result desired, and that is an establishment candidate elected, but not without a cost in terms of basic awareness of how that is done and what it means.

    This is a nice boost to movement politics, and something we need more of.

    Votes vs dollars. We may well find a lot more people thinking about that.

    Good. They need to.

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