Bernie Bros' sack bruised and battered

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  • #26827
    Vitalogy
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    Dear Bernie Bros:

    Welcome to your reality of the new SCOTUS nominee. I’m pretty sure Hillary would have nominated someone much more in line with your beliefs than this douche bag Trump has nominated.

    Democrats will talk a lot about a filibuster but will ultimately buckle. Or, if the Dems do stand up to the bitter end, the result will be the same. The GOP will initiate the nuclear option and get him in anyway.

    The GOP stole this seat!!!

    But, the Bernie Bros allowed that to happen. After all, Hillary and Trump are the same bad candidates, right?

    #26828
    Vitalogy
    Participant

    And this:

    Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr., one of the nation’s most prominent evangelical Christian leaders, has been asked to head a White House task force on reforming the U.S. higher education system, the Virginia college told NBC News on Tuesday night.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jerry-falwell-jr-asked-lead-trump-education-task-force-n715116

    Because we want to be dumber!

    Again, congrats Bernie Bros. At least you have principles.

    #26829
    skeptical
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    I can’t say I agree with what vitalogy is doing here, but a number of Bernie bots did say they rather support the GOP nomination than vote for Hillary. I really didn’t see this the other way around.

    Bernie’s such a good human being, it pains me that the bots tarnished him. Vote for hillary he said, then a number of you turned against him. So this Supreme Court nominee belongs to you. Congrats.

    #26838
    missing_kskd
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    Pace your rage. 😀

    When you want it better more than you want to be right, progress will begin.

    Tons of us think we know stuff. We don’t.

    #26839
    missing_kskd
    Participant

    You can start by asking two questions:

    Why are Republicans winning? Dems are down 1000 seats in about 6 years.

    Why does labor and the middle class continue to decline regardless of who wins?

    #26846
    skeptical
    Participant

    The Democrats gained seats in both Houses actually. Trump got 3 million less votes than the Democrat nominee.

    Had the bots listened to their own man, Sanders might be serving in the Clinton White House at this time.

    #26849
    missing_kskd
    Participant

    For review: No specific source, it’s everywhere.

    Since Obama took office, we are down a little over 1000 seats.

    Republicans will control 4,170 state legislative seats after last week’s elections, while Democrats will control 3,129 seats in the nation’s 98 partisan legislative chambers. Republicans picked up a net gain of 46 seats in Tuesday’s elections, while Democrats lost 46 seats, according to the latest vote counts from The Associated Press.

    Now I see you are telling me lots of stuff:

    The Democrats gained seats in both Houses actually. Trump got 3 million less votes than the Democrat nominee.

    But you aren’t answering the questions, nor appearing to ask them of yourself. This stuff you are telling me doesn’t have much to do with either of the questions. I appreciate that you told it to me. Thanks!

    Want to try again? In reference to that stuff you told me:

    Bernie doesn’t tell people what to do, nor how to vote. Neither does Clinton. Both actually affirmed people vote their conscience, Bernie also added “don’t listen to me” in reference to telling people who to vote for. It’s not his place to do that.

    Do I need to go and get the clips on all that, or can we agree that voters have agency in all of this?

    Yes, Clinton won the popular vote. We elect Presidents on the Electorial College.

    Why do you suppose she made the popular vote a priority, rather than the EC?

    That’s an optional question really. Doesn’t get us anywhere meaningful, but it’s worth a look.

    Let’s just take the first one again, “Why are Republicans winning?”

    #26852
    Andy Brown
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    Because the middle America voter is clinging to their guns and bibles. They don’t want to be ruled by what they call the ‘elitist’ class which is really the urban part of the urban-rural divide.

    It’s that simple. Obama knew it. Most Democratic politicians know it. The better question is how did it get this way? The answer to that lies within the GOP underfunding education. It’s their way of keeping those people from getting the entire set of facts. The Republicans have used the “less federal spending” mantra to their advantage by not funding rural development of the internet through incentives to keep MSO pricing to consumers out of reach for all but the urban based skilled workers. Also, by allowing and in fact incentivizing sending manufacturing offshore, the Republicans have decimated the blue collar middle class so they can not afford either better education or better information technology. So between the direct non funding of schools and the indirect non funding of infrastructure, the GOP has succeeded in keeping the rural voters clinging to their guns and bibles. It’s all they’ve got. People like bacon will spin a lie or two trying to refute or down play these facts or try and hijack the topic by spinning off of some phrase within the text that welcomes that, but don’t be misled. History has already recorded this and shown how by starving ‘the beast’ the GOP can take full responsibility of the Great Recession. Obama came in and fixed that as best as possible, but 8 years, 6 of which he was up against a GOP majority, didn’t get the whole job done. He fixed problems but the Democrats did not exploit the facts, the reasons that it all happened.

    There is a huge divide between the GOP voter and the GOP politicians. drumpf tapped into that. That’s why Democrats lost. Before drumpf, especially in Congressional elections, the GOP were just good liars and the bacons and dorks just licked it all up like maple syrup on a pancake.

    Anyway, it’s all coming to a foaming head right about now. The next big clash may come soon if Democrats filibuster the SCOTUS pick and McConjob and drumpf lock horns over removing the filibuster rule.

    #26855
    edselehr
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    Republicans do bottom-up politics, and Democrats do top-down politics. Neither is better or worse than the other, but circumstances dictate the effectiveness of each.

    When we are a unified country (post-Revolution, Depression era, post WWII) left wing Democratic policy positions sell better. When we are divided, right-wing Republican ideas are an easier sell.

    So Republicans benefit from a divided (us v. them) country, while Democrats promote unity and commonality, which dovetails with their ideology.

    But it’s easier to sow fear and discontent than peace and unity, so Republicans have a built-in advantage. And the Republicans have been creating more and more fear and division since Reagan. It’s a long game for them, and they’ve been quite good at it.

    #26856
    skeptical
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    A few votes this way or a Comey move that way the outcome of this election would be different. We’d still arguing these same issues because of the closeness of the race regardless of the winner. Only this time one of the choices was Hellfire and Hellfire won. No thanks to Bernie bots.

    Now with some of the Hellfire voters not too pleased with the heat, maybe we will see stuff like education getting a higher priority down the road — that is, after 3 degree burns all around.

    #26857
    Andy Brown
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    To that point, Ed, if you thought the reaction to drumpf’s giving Steve Bannon a full seat on the “principals committee” of the National Security Council was overblown, think again.

    “The last place you want to put somebody who worries about politics is in a room where they’re talking about national security,” said Leon E. Panetta, a former White House chief of staff, defense secretary and C.I.A. director in two Democratic administrations.

    Bannon has been given unprecedented power in the White House and has suggested in the past that he supports white supremacy and has suggested that the two countries are headed towards war over the South China Sea.

    “We’re going to war in the South China Sea in five to 10 years, aren’t we?” Mr Bannon said on his radio show in March 2016. “There’s no doubt about that. They’re taking their sandbars and making basically stationary aircraft carriers and putting missiles on those. They come here to the United States in front of our face — and you understand how important face is — and say it’s an ancient territorial sea.”

    Since Donald Trump’s election, and the anti-Chinese rhetoric that marked the campaign that preceded it, the relationship between China and the US has become increasingly fraught.

    Last week a senior Chinese military official said that war with the US is “not just a slogan” and that it was becoming a “practical reality”. The same official called for increased military deployments in the East and South China Seas to guard the area, according to the South China Morning Post.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/us/stephen-bannon-donald-trump-national-security-council.html

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-steve-bannon-china-south-sea-war-chinese-us-president-special-counsellor-a7556546.html

    #26858
    Vitalogy
    Participant

    “Why are Republicans winning?”

    Because the Bernie Bots didn’t show up to vote.

    #26859
    Andy Brown
    Participant

    That doesn’t explain how the GOP has run up majorities in Congress, Governorships, and state Legislatures. It’s a problem far more involved then just the recent lack of turnout for Clinton. When it began was far before this latest general election. In fact it could be argued that this recent general election is just another symptom of what started going wrong years ago.

    #26861
    edselehr
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    Recall when Karl Rove bragged about achieving a “permanent Republican majority” when Bush was elected? We snickered at such a thought then, and the Obama era seemed to completely disprove such a theory.

    But it looks like right wingers just went into hibernation for eight years, while continuing to stir the embers of discontent among their faithful. And, do anything and everything possible to undercut the Obama presidency, comity be damned.

    Despite their efforts the economic recovery went well, gay rights made great strides, “Obamacare” (coined by the GOP as a slur) provided affordable healthcare to millions, bin Laden was killed, and much international tension was addressed and resolved (ISIS the key exception).

    But the Republicans were not ready to give up – until Trump won their party nomination. His win surprised even them, and they unexpectedly got the opportunity to form their Permanent Republican Majority one more time. Not quite the way they wanted to, without the leader they had hoped for, but still…

    #26862
    Andrew
    Participant

    Republicans have controlled the House since 1994 except for the four years when voters were angry at the Republicans over Iraq (2006) and terrified/angry about the economic collapse (2008).

    Before 1994, Democrats had the same deal: they controlled the House most of the time (and usually the Senate, not as often) between 1932 and 1994. Why then and what changed after 1994?

    Simple: for decades, southern conservatives were Democrats. Starting in the mid-60s partly over civil rights, southern conservatives gradually moved to the Republican party. Remember, Bill Clinton and Al Gore came from southern states that are now pretty solid red states.

    If Democrats want to win Congress again, one way obviously is to re-grow their conservative wing and attract southern conservatives back. The southern conservative wing isn’t completely dead – but mostly. But it could come back. Liberal Democrats need to find those issues again where they could find common ground with southern conservatives. Sure, they’ll never agree on everything (never did before 1994 either) but if you believe in compromise, you can always work out your differences within the party.

    The Bernie Bros want to do the opposite: purify the party to get rid of even the remaining “moderates.” Sorry, that’s just going to make things worse. There is no “silent liberal majority” out there just waiting for populists like Bernie Sanders to run so they can finally bother to vote. America is not Bernie Sanders land; his followers need to accept that and get over the delusion.

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