A progressive experiment

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    So Doug, I took two days, but I watched the entire podcast.

    I found Cenk compelling – he seems to know the issues and is able to back up his points. I was aware of his Young Turks broadcast but only watched short snippets. This helps me understand your political stance better. I haven’t come to any particular conclusions, but I do feel I understand why progressives are challenging the likes of Biden and Warren and the entire GOP.

    I think Cenk is a voice that needs to be heard even if for others he may be too much for them. I’m glad he shared his perspective of both the conservative and liberal media..and I wish him the best in his pursuit of winning California’s 25th congressional district in the upcoming special election.

    Thanks for posting.


    Hey Chris, that’s a heavy lift. I appreciate you giving the guy a watch.

    He’s gone from something I would call progressive republican and a bit of man child to solid progressive, good quality human, over a bit south of two decades.

    Put most of that on air, and hired people more left and more, what I’ll call humanist, than he was. Then proceeded to treat them well, motivate the crap out of them and build TYT while they were beating him over the head day in and day out.

    Basically, he would show up, tell them to keep doing what they are doing to change the world and he will figure out the business part of things. Did that.

    What I found compelling back in the day was his desire to advance better, more just politics through dialog. That’s a thing we often did here, and I did with deliberate intent.

    I believe in that process absolutely. My own politics today reflect the product of doing it. My travels everywhere have been amazing. Just have a chat with the people. Once they know the intent, that dialog matters, they say stuff. Powerful, tear inducing, human stuff.

    We arrived at similar conclusions through different means.

    Honestly, if that guy gets into Congress?


    Will make Grayson look like a warmup.

    The other thing that time brought him is keen debate skills and a seriously tough skin. The usual BS won’t have much of an impact.

    He did walk away from a Maddow scale comp plan to do this. That’s 5 figures a day. When he did MSNBC, he hit top ratings consistently. Got told to play nice, not actually serve the audience. Left.

    And over the growth of the progressive left movement, Cenk has been responsible for elevating many fine voices and developed the only successful indie media model to reach size and scale competitive with the majors today.

    Take a look at the media line card. TYT media has amazing demographics the majors can only dream about.

    I think the same thing. The 25th matters. What goes down in that district is going to tell us a whole lot about how 2020 can and is likely to go.

    Notably, to run this race, he got TYT legal to sort out ethics and gave the network he founded total editorial control over programming and how his own race is covered, good or bad. In writing.

    Who does that?



    Here’s the other one to watch from a new media perspective.

    Hill.tv is attempting an entry into the progressive space. The two primary hosts are solid progressive, one left, one right. Krystal is also ex MSNBC.

    Saagar is an interesting character. Conservative, but not in that GOP way we’ve come to know. He’s a pretty good look at what Republicans are going to face, as Dems are right now.


    Isn’t a right-leaning progressive an oxymoron?


    No, actually.


    In the most general sense, a progressive politically is one who seeks the overall state of society to be more harmonious overall. That “more perfect union” in action, put another way.

    That progress, a general advancement of our lot, can happen from many perspectives. Our system is basically two party, however, when one looks abroad, each party has it’s forward looking factions, people or blocs, each seeking to advance on the overall party vision, and the implication for society overall is that advancement is some mutual benefit or other.

    An example of progressivism, coming from the right, could be to better refine where we use markets. Where they are well indicated, freeing them to operate with well understood market dynamics may well improve how well those markets serve the society that permits them. (and a right winger would say, the markets aren’t permitted, but are instead default things, but that’s a quibble)

    Part of this “new politicking” going on is to shake off some of this, “us vs them” or “with us or against us” type political labeling to foster more and better conversation. The purpose of doing that is to improve on common ground, mutual public good understanding. In the example of health care, taking that approach has been very highly productive. Support for Medicare for All is growing on the right, and a big part of that are the advocacy groups seeking to have conversations, not apply labels.


    Saagar is interesting to watch, from this perspective. Compared to what we saw from the Tea Party, which despite it’s highly toxic nature, was crazy effective in how it impacted the GOP, I’ll take someone like Saagar in a moment.

    Conversations are possible. We need more of that.


    Also: BIDEN just floated the idea of a Republican VP.



    The result of your progressive experiment laid an egg big time. Cenk got 5% of the vote?


    More problems with wordpress Dan. I posted 15 minutes ago but it doesn’t show up here. Shows up in the broad category titles, but not in the specific thread.

    I will try again…

    Biden is now the frontrunner. It will be very difficult for Bernie to overcome him at this point. The numbers don’t add up.

    Links apparently not working.

    Andy Brown

    If Biden wins in Michigan, the race is over.

    He currently leads Sanders in polling there by 6%.


    Early absentee ballots in Michigan show Sanders running behind Biden by nearly 20 percentage points.


    Last but not least, the Bernie bots are out there claiming Super Tuesday was rigged in favor of Biden. The article below puts that notion to rest quite handily:


    Andy Brown

    Paul, the forum software has been doing that for a few months now. Dan is aware of it. Generally, if you post and it doesn’t show your post, it has been labeled spam and put in a folder only Dan can access. The workaround is to hit the back button on your browser, copy the text of the post you submitted, paste into a new post and (this is important) change the first line of text (add a sentence or a line of asterisks, anything will work) and attempt to repost. This works most but not all of the time. If you don’t change the first line, the software will think you are trying to repost the same text you just attempted to and the software already thinks that is spam. Or build your post in a text editor where you can easily edit the intro into something different. Also, too many links in the post seems to upset the software, too. Or if it’s too long (sometimes) AND has a lot of links. Sometimes I can’t even guess at what it doesn’t like.


    Thanks Andy. My post isn’t worth all the trouble though.

    General idea…Biden was able to change the complexion of the race with the help of some of his rivals. I am feeling much better about the party at this point. But obviously more to play out, including super delegates that likely will lean toward Biden if it comes to that.

    Jeffrey Kopp

    I’m not too crazy about Biden myself, but I think he has the best chance of beating Trump.

    I supported Bernie four years ago, but not now. He would lose.


    Andy Brown

    “trump . . . is a giant favorite for re-election”


    “80% chance trump beats Biden”


    This whole video is shit on a shingle. You can eat it, Doug, but I won’t.

    Sounds like sour grapes on your part. Your lack of willing to post something substantial only underscores your disappointment.

    Appears that Kulinski is the only one in this thread more put out by Bernie’s Super Tuesday failure than you. Also, he’s worse than many GOP politicians claiming expertise where they have none. Where were all the bernie bros. when it came time to vote? You see, THAT is the problem with Bernie. His base is comprised mostly of young, loud and UNDEPENDABLE voters.

    I watched your entire video. It’s crap. I won’t watch another one of your youtube linked posts again if you fail to write something meaningful within the same post.

    Is this the best response you can come up with?

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