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The People vs WI Unions 48% to 38% support the people

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  • Started 3 years ago by fairandbalanced
  • Latest reply from LurkingGrendel



    Rasmussen poll shows strong support for the Governor of Wisconsin, as well as strong support for overall reduction of amount of government employees, and a perception that government employees make more than the private sector.

    Posted on March 2, 2011 - 10:49 PM #
  2. Amus

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    Rasmussen again.
    What a surprise!

    Posted on March 2, 2011 - 11:16 PM #
  3. Yes, he's a pollster. Not a Republican operative. Check out his polls before elections. He's objective and usually pretty close. He gets paid to be accurate and not to root for a particular team.

    Posted on March 2, 2011 - 11:23 PM #
  4. CALLER: -- I was wondering, aren't the Republican legislature and Republican governor of Wisconsin public service employees also?

    RUSH: And they are our neighbors! They are our neighbors, and they are our friends, and they do barbecues and all the things that other neighbors and friends do. Yeah, you're right.

    CALLER: Well, it's surprising to see all the Nazi and Hitler and Mubarak signs outside the capitol, and just seems to me that that's kind of a denigration and a demonization.


    Posted on March 2, 2011 - 11:31 PM #
  5. edselehr

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    This poll is two weeks old (didja notice, or were you too spellbound by the warm fuzzy validation?). The dynamic in WI has shifted dramatically toward the unions in the last two weeks.

    Also, Rasmussen has a well-known conservative bias among pollsters, and this poll has it's slant as well. Highly regarded pollster Nate Silver in the NYT had this to say about this particular poll:

    Nice try, F&B.

    Now, here are some hot-off-the-presses numbers for you:

    Public Policy Polling (released 3/1/11)

    If you could do last fall’s election for Governor over again, would you vote for Democrat Tom Barrett or Republican Scott Walker?
    Tom Barrett ........... 52%
    Scott Walker.......... 45%
    Not sure ................ 4%

    Are you or is anyone in your household a member of a labor union?
    Yes................... 32%
    No ................... 68%

    Would you describe yourself as very liberal, somewhat liberal, moderate, somewhat conservative, or very conservative?
    Very liberal ........... 7%
    Somewhat liberal ....... 21%
    Moderate................ 31%
    Somewhat conservative... 22%
    Very conservative ...... 18%

    NBC/WSJ Poll March 3 2011

    Amid the union protests in Wisconsin, the poll found that 62% of Americans oppose efforts to strip unionized government workers of their rights to collectively bargain, even as they want public employees to contribute more money to their retirement and health-care benefits.

    The results suggest that public opinion may be tipping against Wisconsin Republican governor Scott Walker in his prolonged faceoff with the unions.

    Click the link below; it's full of lots of juicy polling numbers that show people *want* and *like* most basic government services, and feel that it might be time to increase taxes to pay for them.

    Bon Appetit!

    Posted on March 2, 2011 - 11:44 PM #
  6. skeptical

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    Bon Appetit!

    I believe tonight they're making broiled crow.

    Posted on March 2, 2011 - 11:47 PM #
  7. edselehr

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    Hey Skep! I just noticed your thread. Looks like we found the same poll.

    Time to start a pool on how the right will try and discredit it. I'm guessing they slander NBC as a 'far left liberal network' (ignoring, of course, how conservative the WSJ is.)

    Or they'll just pretend it doesn't exist, as I'm sure F&B will.

    Posted on March 3, 2011 - 12:03 AM #
  8. My bad on presenting a poll a whopping 9 days old, but I will still put my money where my mouth is and bet the sentiment lies with the people and not the union public sector workers.

    But regarding the poll itself--Rasmussen doesn't work for the Republicans. He's paid to be accurate. Do you think he predicted McCain would win?

    And I would like to see the sampling for the polling that would show such a big swing the other direction regarding the election for Governor. Regardless, it's too late for that, and I have a lot more trust in the Rasmussen poll. He's been very accurate with his predictions and polling.

    Posted on March 3, 2011 - 12:13 AM #
  9. edselehr

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    1) Nine days? Your own link shows the poll was conducted Feb. 18-19. The story you linked to is nine days old though.

    2) You don't have to work for the Republicans to side with the Republicans. Are you saying that the Republicans have to *pay* people to agree with them? Do the Republicans pay you for your support?

    3) Nobody predicted McCain would win. Rasmussen would have fatally discredited itself if it had predicted that.

    4) I knew you'd want to see the sampling (you're so methodical!). Click on the poll link I provided, on the left of the page that pops up you can click on "Full Document" (or click the "Document" tab at the top). I'll save you some time: on page 9 you'll find a breakdown of respondents by party affiliation. 53% self-identify as independent or conservative.

    Or you can continue to suck on your Diet Rasmussen soda that is past it's expiration date.

    Posted on March 3, 2011 - 12:31 AM #
  10. I stand corrected on the date.

    Time will tell who is right about this. If this is the beginning of a trend and other states soon start doing likewise, we'll know there is sweeping public support. If it goes the other way, or if we see governors backing down, we'll know there is not.

    My bet is that there is a groundswell of dissatisfaction brewing, similar to the tea party movement, and that the days of the government workers having a stranglehold on the people they are supposed to serve is coming to an end.

    Posted on March 3, 2011 - 12:57 AM #
  11. Every data point outside of far right spin contradicts your assertion. You're living in a parallel universe.

    Posted on March 3, 2011 - 07:41 AM #
  12. As I said once before...

    Even Republican governors want nothing to do with the circus that has been going on in Madison Wisconsin in their state capitols. So, compromises will be made regarding bargaining rights in those states despite the need for financial reforms in pension and healthcare and other funding issues that affect Public Employment.

    The" take it or leave it "tactics used by Gov Walker are being silently modified or rejected by other Republican governors. They will get the economic changes they need in their states , but the other issues about collective bargaining will be modified to some extent, even if Walker and the Republicans get their package totally passed.

    Posted on March 3, 2011 - 07:58 AM #
  13. kahtik

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    After reading all the notes and looking at the links, this is why I'm NOT usually a fan of polls.

    Wisconsin's population is just over 5 1/2 million and the Public Policy Polling site info was:

    February 24-27, 2011
    Survey of 768 Wisconsin voters

    Is it even 1% of the popluation? No. And honestly, even trying to get 1% of the of ANY population is like trying to get EVERYONE to vote.

    When team members of any station I was working would see the Arbitron numbers come in after a rating period, I would pull 'em all in and calm them down whether we were up or down.

    For example, I pointed out in one scenario that we had a great Clackamas county showing one time in a book. After getting ALL the information from Arbitron, I pointed out to my staff that there were two diaries out 1,000 that had picked out station. The total amount of diaries that hit that county then was a whopping 49. Oh, boy.

    I always feel that before folks get FIRED up about numbers, they should realize that there are SO MANY variables that can affect the outcome.

    Besides, let's not forget, obviously anyone in any telephone survey is not on the DO NOT CALL LIST. LOL

    OK, just ignore me now, I need to go throw up again from food poisoning. Yes, this part IS TRUE on my survey. ;{

    Posted on March 3, 2011 - 08:31 AM #
  14. kahtik

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    But I have enjoyed reading both sides of this thread.

    Oh, gottttaaaaaa run...............

    Posted on March 3, 2011 - 08:32 AM #
  15. edselehr

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    Kahtik, I feel for you. I often feel the same whenever I go out to my local Canadian restaurant and eat Canadian cuisine.

    Posted on March 3, 2011 - 08:42 AM #
  16. kahtik

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    I'm baaaack.

    Hey, edselhr:

    LOLOL It wasn't from the poutine, it was from the Costco dog. :)LOL I also just made a call to the one we frequent in Burnaby and let the assistant manager know what happened.

    The funny thing was, he managed to give me a way to tie this high jacking back to the original thread.

    After my description of the meal, we discussed why they only have six sit down tables at this Costco location, and 10 standing ones. He laughed and mentioned the old "fire" code, and since the inspector is just blocks away, they are in the radar.

    The assistant manager then pointed out that from the "verbal" surveys they do in the deli ara, nearly 100% ask for more tables. See how we all got back on surveys.

    Now I realize the Wisconsin unions don't tie in, but THE PEOPLE do. LOL


    Posted on March 3, 2011 - 09:00 AM #

    The most recent polling, including Rasmussen, show exactly the opposite of what F&B is claiming.

    Posted on March 3, 2011 - 10:04 AM #
  18. Rasmussen 03/03/11

    Wisconsin Poll: Support for Budget Cutting, Not for Weakening Collective Bargaining Rights

    Posted on March 3, 2011 - 12:16 PM #
  19. The poll says the people want the state workers to take a 10% cut. Do the state workers agree?

    Posted on March 3, 2011 - 12:52 PM #
  20. missing_kskd

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    Asked and answered.

    Posted on March 3, 2011 - 12:55 PM #
  21. If there's a limit to being dense and obstinate you must be fast approaching the outer boundaries. The unions acceded to the fiduciary aspects of Governor Walker's proposed bill weeks ago.

    Posted on March 3, 2011 - 01:27 PM #
  22. NoParty

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    UF & UB said>>>>

    I will still put my money where my mouth is.

    So then your broke 99.9% of the time?

    Posted on March 3, 2011 - 01:28 PM #
  23. skeptical

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    kahtik, after polling 800 or so truly selected at random people, the results don't change. That's why 1,500 or so is a large enough sample to poll. Anything beyond that is wasted money.

    Posted on March 3, 2011 - 02:01 PM #
  24. edselehr

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    I think F&B's period key is inoperable, so all he has is his question mark to end sentences? That would actually make sense? I can't think of any other reason why every thought has to be expressed in the form of a question? Oh - maybe he watches too much Jeopardy?

    Posted on March 3, 2011 - 02:29 PM #
  25. missing_kskd

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    It's a side effect of compartmentalization. When a given bit of information crosses more than one compartment, it's confusing, but because there are compartments, from swallowing too much BS whole, it's just endless questions! Can't cram one realization into more than one contradictory compartment!

    Bet it hurts after a while...

    Posted on March 3, 2011 - 02:38 PM #
  26. edselehr

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    When F&B asks questions, it's really a plea for help. He's trying to reconcile an irreconcilable conflict in his thinking, and he wants us to do that for him. But when we offer up a right wing propaganda detox program, he retreats to the safety and comfort of his conservative world view.

    Parellel situation:

    "I need to get my life together, control my temper, stop crashing into things when I drive, and keep from passing out in the middle of the day - but don't tell me I need to quit drinking and doing drugs, because that's obviously not the reason for my problems.

    So, can you help me?"

    Posted on March 3, 2011 - 04:23 PM #
  27. edselehr

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    @kahtik: A Costco hot dog *is* Canadian cuisine.

    Hope you're feeling better.

    Posted on March 3, 2011 - 04:28 PM #
  28. That's what I thought. (silence)

    How's that latest Rasmussen polling treating you?

    Posted on March 3, 2011 - 05:37 PM #

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