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  1. I turned on my radio a few minutes ago, model that tunes the last AM station listened to when powered on (which was 1450 since I was listening to the high school kids playing oldies and reading news earlier today), and the topic thread headline was the first thing I heard out of my speakers.

    With on-air statements like that (regardless of the fact it was said at about 10:55 PM), I really wonder how KPSU is able to continue buying time on KBPS.

    After a lengthy discussion on sodomy, the host says:
    "You can do whatever you want as long as you can pay the FCC fines."

    I wonder if he knows it would be the Portland School District that would be stuck paying that fine.

    Posted on June 24, 2010 - 11:13 PM #
  2. Broadway

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    Wonder if anyone has a copy of the program? Does KBPS record their programming? Sounds like some sex-crazed young males gone wild on AM?

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 08:22 AM #
  3. There is NO excuse for that CRAP !!!

    I just cant believe this ...UNBELIEVABLE.

    Call me old school ...I dont care .Anything goes huh? NO supervision , no respect for public trusteeship...geez..learning what ?? KIDS they think that RADIO is just like the internet....pay the fines huh ? They outtah take the fine out of HIS Parent's WALLET , make them take out a second on the Home Mortgage to cover the fine and then see whos laughing out of the side of whos mouth now...

    Is Radio the internet ...YET ???? when it is , let me know so I can update my " Outrage Filters "...

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 09:02 AM #
  4. HD

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    Realistically, what do you expect?

    Any prior reference point for decent behavior is now deemed 'judgmental.'

    As a result, God and the Bible have been taken out of the schools.

    We have a predator for a mayor.

    Bicycling nude is okay.

    Trees have rights, but not citizens with standards: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/253376

    Down is up and up is down.

    That's what you get in keeping Portland weird, while making things up as you go along.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 09:15 AM #
  5. edselehr

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    kw, you are old school. And I share your outrage.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 09:43 AM #
  6. Bibles don't belong in public schools, if parents want to indoctrinate their kids, they should send them to their place or worship.

    In my opinion, these kids would more than likely describe themselves as Christians. Being Christian doesn't make one moral.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 10:13 AM #
  7. I was reading on allaccess yesterday about a major change in imaging at one of the most listened to radio stations in the country.

    Bonneville's WTOP Washington has removed Radio and Radio Station from its imagers. They removed their ID : WTOP Radio Network.

    In lieu of this they now stress News, Traffic, Weather, On air , Online, and Mobile. They now focus on an " All Media content entity "...

    So, as such Radio is becoming an " All media content entity "...ergo the Internet...

    Of course this is a trend , or so it would seem.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 10:47 AM #
  8. Andy_brown

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    Sounds like the whining of the usual gang of hypocrites.

    "After a lengthy discussion on sodomy, the host says:
    "You can do whatever you want as long as you can pay the FCC fines." "

    There are no fines for discussing sexuality and sexual practices on the radio.
    You would be hard pressed in a court of law to prove that this discussion is
    contrary to community standards. Heterosexuals engage in forms of sodomy
    on a regular basis.

    First of all, unless the words:
    Shit
    Piss
    Fuck
    Cunt
    Cocksucker
    Motherfucker
    Tits

    are included in the broadcast, there is nothing illegal about broadcasting the word "sodomy."

    Expressing one's feeling about that sexual act is also not illegal.

    Of course, I'm not thinking that is the issue with the hypocrites, of course, it is their so called moral outrage at the notion that a discussion or opinion on the topic is somehow crossing some kind of community line in the sand.

    What tripe.

    Let's look at some of the similar topics discussed daily not only on radio but t.v. and cable as well. Before doing that, in the interest of information science, a brief definition:

    Sodomy is sexual intercourse involving anal or oral copulation.

    Now some numbers, since Herb is always using polls to somehow justify his aberrant postulatory nonsense:

    Married couples in today's society may not be having intercourse any more frequently than those living twenty or thirty years ago. However, they do seem to be engaging in a greater variety of sexual activities. For example, although vaginal inter-course remains the most common form of sexual expression among heterosexual couples (Laumann et al. 1994), a greater proportion report practicing oral-genital sex today than a generation or two ago. Studies indicate that a majority of married and cohabiting couples engage in oral-genital sex at least occasionally (Blumstein and Schwartz 1983; Gagnon and Simon 1987; Laumann et al. 1994). Anal intercourse, while relatively uncommon, is tried at least once by 8 to 10 percent of heterosexual North American couples (Laumann et al. 1994; Voeller 1991), and many couples report experimenting with new sexual techniques or activities at least some of the time (Greeley 1991).

    http://family.jrank.org/pages/1104/Marital-Sex-Sexual-Practices-Preferences.html

    Even earlier, Kinsey reported:

    In his first report, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948), Alfred Kinsey found that fewer than half of the men interviewed engaged in fellatio or cunnilingus, even during marriage. In the category of highest incidence—married men with 13+ years of education—45.3% performed cunnilingus and 42.7% engaged in fellatio. Five years later, in his Sexual Behavior in the Human Female, Kinsey reported that 54% of the married women interviewed had engaged in pre-coital cunnilingus and 49% had engaged in fellatio, See also P. Gebhard and A. Johnson, The Kinsey Data (1979). In their 1977 Redbook Report on Female Sexuality, C. Tavris and S. Sadd found that 93% of wives responding reported having engaged in cunnilingus and 91% had engaged in fellatio. They concluded from this response that, "Today it is clear that if the sexual revolution has occurred anywhere, it is in the practice and acceptance of oral sex. Among people under age twenty-five, it is virtually a universal part of the sexual relationship."

    http://www.glapn.org/sodomylaws/research.htm

    There's plenty more like this, but I don't want to dwell on the fact that oral sex, a form of sodomy, is prevalent, perhaps even dominant with younger generations amongst not only married but unmarried heterosexual couples. I think it has always been that way, and the only real difference is that people are becoming more open about their sexual habits.

    But before the hypocrites turn this into a gay lifestyle bashing anal sex thread, I wish to return to the hypocrisy angle I started this post with.

    Every day media buffoons on the right display their disingenuous "knowledge" and dance around the words that might get them in trouble. Meanwhile, their behavior off the air is clearly an example of hypocrisy. The list of names is too long and not really needed here. The gay politicians that come on so anti=gay, the family values politicians and broadcasters that indulge in adultery (which more than likely includes sodomy acts of one form or another), and the many in the priesthood that hide behind their religious teachings and then abuse altar boys.

    The fact remains that if you are outraged by a discussion of or opinion broadcast about sodomy, you are asleep at the switch. Daily broadcasts by the right wing calling for the destruction of life don't bother you?

    Hypocrisy is a disease and you righties have it bad.

    Seventy-four percent of American adults surveyed last month (April 2003) favor the U.S. Supreme Court’s overturning antigay sodomy laws. This was the latest finding of a national online poll, released Tuesday by Witeck-Combs Communications and Harris Interactive. “Even when we exclude respondents who self-identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgendered, support for overturning state sodomy laws does not change significantly,” said Darin Johnson, vice president at Witeck-Combs Communications. “It is clear that an overwhelming majority of Americans believe the Supreme Court should overturn all state laws that interfere with private sexual relations between consenting adults, whether same-sex or opposite-sex couples.” Currently the U.S. Supreme Court is considering Lawrence v. Texas, which challenges the antigay sodomy law in Texas.

    These are highlights of a nationwide survey of more than 2,000 adults, of whom approximately 7% self-identified as gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgendered. The survey was conducted online April 17-23 by Harris Interactive, with analysis of GLBT data provided by Witeck-Combs Communications Inc., a strategic public relations and marketing communications firm with special expertise in GLBT issues:

    1) 75% of self-described Republicans oppose state laws that regulate sexual relations that occur in the private home of an adult same-sex couple in a domestic partnership (as do 88% of self-labeled Democrats). In addition, seven out of 10 Americans (70%) who characterize their personal ideology as “conservative” also oppose such laws.

    2) Americans from all regions in the United States express opposition to state sodomy laws, including 76% of Southerners, 80% of Midwesterners, 88% of Westerners, and 89% of Easterners, who say they oppose state laws that regulate the private sexual relations of adult same-sex couples in a domestic partnership.

    3) 66% of adults over the age of 50 agree that the U.S. Supreme Court should overturn state sodomy laws that apply solely to same-sex couples.

    4) A majority of all American adults surveyed said same-sex couples who engage in private, consenting sexual relations should not be denied basic rights and opportunities: 82% opposed denial of health benefits to a couple; 87% opposed denial of rental housing; 74% opposed denial of certain jobs, such as teaching; and 59% opposed denial of the right to adopt children.

    http://www.glapn.org/sodomylaws/lawrence/lwnews178.htm

    Herb wants to impose his religious beliefs on schoolchildren, no less. Of course, it has to be his beliefs and his beliefs only. To Herb, "the Bible" is somehow above defect. We all know that's not the case.
    You righties don't care about sending the youth of this nation to war if it fills your greedy coffers. You don't care about cutting off health support to the elderly or the very sick if it improves your bottom line. But heaven forbid somebody on the radio says "Hey, I like blow jobs" you become unglued.

    You are such hypocrites it is not only amusing to the rest of us, but a clear admission of how out of touch you are with reality.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 11:09 AM #
  9. littlesongs

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    This thread has unraveled mighty quick, but I'll try to get it back on topic.

    1450 AM has been proudly affiliated with local institutions of learning as long anyone can remember. The "Voice of the Portland Public Schools" is a treasure. It shouldn't be squandered by transient college kids without a long term stake in our community. Unfortunately, a small minority at KPSU has had few qualms about abusing generations of goodwill and support for a cheap laugh.

    Student created content directly reflects the educational institution. This is why the hammer has always come down hard on KBPS students who break cardinal rules. The person or persons behind this should be dismissed from the KPSU program. If Portland State University wants to continue to use the airwaves of the Portland Public Schools, they must provide programming that meets higher standards.

    KBPS and KPSU have a worldwide audience now. Any given station streaming on-line is an ambassador for their city. It should be clear to every host at PSU that they are not just entertaining a handful of friends sharing a bong and a sixpack in their dorm room, but are representing an entire local school system from kindergarten to post-graduate studies.

    I like KPSU as a concept and have enjoyed their programming over the years, but as a KBPS alumni and past employee, I am appalled to hear that Portland State continues to have low expectations and a lack of rigid structure. Accountability, responsibility and community standards should be front and center, not just abstracts that are discarded when the mic is open.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 11:33 AM #
  10. I have been out of town at a school related conference, so this thread is the first I have heard about the most recent KPSU content issue. We do indeed record every second of what is aired. If anyone knows the approximate time this incident occurred please email me from the link on the KBPS website <www.kbps.am> and I will deal with it. Thank you.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 11:34 AM #
  11. Before this thread is totally hijacked, I'm not a conservative nor a liberal. I don't care what someone does in their own home as long as they're not harming anyone. I support college students being allowed to make their own choices (even choices outside of pre-approved viewpoints on pre-approved topics), since I know they'll have to live with the consequences, good or bad. At no point did I bring up religion or overall societal morality. I'm well aware what some right-wing talk shows advocate for, which I don't support or listen to. Right-wing shows aren't the topic.

    I'm simply asking the question if this is the kind of programming one would expect to hear on AM 1450. If I were downtown and listening to KPSU's low-powered FM signal or their online feed, I would've thought nothing of it as that's the media transmission operated by the university.

    But... KBPS? I know KPSU gives those who sign up for a show tons of information about the hours the station runs on an AM station that isn't owned by the university and pays quite a bit of money for the privilege of broadcasting during those hours, so a party outside the university calls some of the shots. Whether anyone actually reads any of it is beyond me. If anything, this is an open appeal to KPSU to reschedule the program to online/FM-only hours.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 11:44 AM #
  12. warner

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    Herb, God and The Bible were not taken out of public schools, they weren't in. Remember separation of church and state?

    Oh, and BTW, sodomy IS in the Bible.

    Just keepin' it real.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 11:46 AM #
  13. Alfredo_T

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    Since the Bible was mentioned, I urge those who have a Bible handy to turn to Isaiah 36:12. You might be surprised by what you find there.

    Not having heard an aircheck of this broadcast, I can only speculate on the content and tone: I am assuming that it was not treating the subject matter in a serious clinical or sociological manner. I say this because I have heard Dr. Dean Edell talk about vaginas and penises on the air, and I have run across a variety of shows about sexuality and relationships that are intended to provide clinical advice to adults. These have generally been considered OK, in the eyes of the FCC. Even a broadcast that tried to make the case that in some societies, such as ancient Greece or Rome, sodomy was an accepted practice would probably have been OK.

    The real problem that I have (operating under my assumptions about the content and tone of this broadcast) is the attitude that some college radio airstaff take: they treat the medium as if it were cable access TV, they take for granted what is provided to them, and they merrily put other people and organizations at risk with their careless actions. Unfortunately, it seems that every college radio station attracts at least one of these clowns.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 12:54 PM #
  14. skeptical

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    Heh, I only wish the naked bike ride went by Herb's house.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 01:05 PM #
  15. A programming note. Because of last night's on-air incident you will no longer hear KPSU programming on AM 1450 KBPS. For now, most of the airtime that had been devoted to KPSU will be programmed with music. Very soon we will begin airing a number of Portland School District programs that are currently under development.

    KPSU has been aired on KBPS for over 15 years. Most of the shows on KPSU stayed within the guidelines we set for them that pertain to FCC rules, and just the common sense of what should be allowed on a school district owned radio station. Its unfortunate that a small percentage of KPSU hosts decided to "push the envelope" and air content not in keeping with our directives.

    KPSU is still available for those who wish to listen by tuning into their campus low power fm at 98.1 or online at KPSU.ORG. We wish them well in their future endeavors.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 01:09 PM #
  16. Alfredo_T

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    WOW!!!!

    All it took was just one Stern-wannabe bozo to sink the ship for everybody at the PSU student station and to flush down the toilet the 1 1/2 decade relationship between the PSU radio station and KBPS! Nice work there, Mr. KPSU Sodomy Guy.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 01:22 PM #
  17. Skybill9

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    That's generally what happens. One or a few dipsticks screw it up for the rest of us.

    Doesn't matter what the subject is, it always happens.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 01:54 PM #
  18. HD

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    Andy_Brown, with your slurs, falsehoods and obscenities, you are the one clearly out of touch.

    Meanwhile, Mr. Cooper and his station have standards.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 02:06 PM #
  19. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GOOD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Glad to hear this...And after Bill heard the aircheck, Ill bet this discussion of SODOMY was not some Dr. Edell tutorial . And even if it was , It has to be greatly MISPLACED on a station operated by the Portland Public School system !!!

    I am glad to hear that we still do have some kind of checks and balances here ...........

    Damned strait...and whether or not I or anyone else choose to engage in 'such sexual practises' makes no difference to 'proper venue' ...and It is evident that KBPS is NOT the proper venue for this kind of discussion. The proper venue for that discussion would be an LP Campus signal on 98.1 or on the internet , IMO. And apparently that is also the opinion of the Portland Public Schools, LOL>>

    And if my objections are some kind of a disease, then that is one infection I gladly bear in full.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 02:43 PM #
  20. littlesongs

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    Thank you Bill Cooper.

    It is great to hear that more local programming is slated to air on KBPS. I am proud of you and the school district for taking a stand. Without knowing all the details, I hope it does not affect revenue, but simply gives PPS students more opportunity to show their talents. Since this is a 21st century radio station, maybe the kids will get a chance to do VT shifts too? In the long run, I hope this incident turns out to be a teachable moment and a good thing for the radio program at Benson.

    Enthusiasm and cynicism will both lead you to make big mistakes. Youthful zeal is forgivable. Running your mouth off about intercourse on a school sponsored radio station is not a tenable position. Taking it further by lightly joking about FCC actions is beyond the pale. Nobody is perfect, but being stupid can cost you everything in broadcasting. Those kids at KPSU could have learned a whole lot from their more dedicated and disciplined counterparts at KBPS.

    This did not have to happen. Portland State welcomes music majors and vinyl junkies alike. They should have had enough high quality staffers to avoid losing their outlet because of obscenities. KPSU still has potential in their newly muted configuration, but they have got to revert to the days when the music nerds and community builders ruled the roost. The standards should be set high enough that the chosen few are blessed to have an opportunity, work hard and make the most of it.

    Good college radio is good radio. Period.

    I wonder how long it will be before this becomes a topic on the radio side and we welcome in a bunch of new members.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 02:46 PM #
  21. I am the Programming Director at KPSU, and I thought I'd add a few things here, for clarification. I'll ignore the reactionary posts in favor of addressing a few brief points that don't have to do with anyone's value set.

    First of all, I'd like to thank Mr. Cooper for dealing with this professionally. It would have been very easy to throw all of us at KPSU under the proverbial bus while addressing this, and I thank you for your gracious post. I wish the best to KBPS as well. This parting of ways may yet prove beneficial to both our organizations.

    The full broadcast of the offending program (The Debate Hour) can be heard here: http://archive.kpsu.org/node/32409
    It's easy to jump to conclusions about the intentions of the commentators, especially for those who do not understand sarcasm or irony. Feel free to listen to the comments in context, and make your own judgments. I will briefly state that, having talked with the panel members on The Debate Hour several times, I can comfortably say that nobody there honestly believes that "you can do whatever you want as long as you can pay the FCC fines" in reference to our programming. That statement, unfortunately, does convey a simple fact about the presence of the FCC in most commercial radio scenarios.

    In reference to Alfredo and Skybill's last comments, that isn't quite the case. PPS had given the PSU contract office a 30-day notice of their intent not to renew their contract with KPSU back on June 1st. PPS felt that the time that we were leasing could be better used promoting PPS "public outreach." We never heard about this. There are numerous steps along the bureaucratic chain where the ball may have been dropped, and my intent isn't to place blame anywhere. What I'm saying is that we're merely exiting KBPS less than one week early, so to be honest, this all feels sort of like water under the bridge at this point.

    One of the aspects of our contract with KBPS that caused a lot of friction was the "obscenity clause." This was a clause in our contract stating that, in addition to FCC compliance, KPSU was expected not to broadcast anything deemed obscene by the KBPS Station Manager (Bill Cooper). This made my job as Programming Director rather tricky, and sparked some anti-censorship outrage from our DJs. All of our AM content has been held up to this entirely subjective standard. There is no way that I can tell DJs what they can and cannot say when that's defined by one man's standards. We were reduced to giving DJs vague warnings such as "just be really careful," or "don't say anything you wouldn't say in front of your grandmother." We can make armchair judgments about content after the fact, but the bottom line is that our DJs in AM timeslots have never had clear guidelines on what not to say.

    But like I said, it's water under the bridge.

    It's unlikely that I will follow this thread further, but I welcome any questions or comments at my email address below.

    Cheers,

    Devin James Henke
    KPSU Programming Director
    programming@kpsu.org

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 03:37 PM #
  22. Alfredo_T

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    A MP3 of the broadcast has been posted on the program's Web site: http://archive.kpsu.org/audio/download/32409/1277442000.mp3 The remark occurs around the 57 minute mark.

    EDIT: Devin's post popped up just as I originally hit submit on this one. I stand corrected in that I didn't know that the contract with KBPS was set to expire at the end of this month. Having heard the remarks in context from the MP3, I think that the panelists just got carried away, and that they weren't deliberately going out of their ways to cause trouble. I hope that they learned a lesson, though.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 03:38 PM #
  23. Hey, Bill Cooper and the rest of you old people that don't FUCK any more! Sodomy is fun, I'm sure you wish you could still do it without breaking a hip. KPSU will gladly go on without you. EAT SHIT AND DIE SOON!

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 04:01 PM #
  24. I wonder how long it will be before this becomes a topic on the radio side and we welcome in a bunch of new members.
    This thread has already been picked up by local media:

    http://blogs.wweek.com/music/2010/06/25/kpsu-gets-yanked-from-am-airwaves/

    http://blogtown.portlandmercury.com/BlogtownPDX/archives/2010/06/25/breaking-kpsu-kicked-off-the-air

    I'll take a guess the real barrage of pro/con arguments will come in about 15 minutes, when 5 PM hits and people will tune to 1450 AM hoping to hear KPSU.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 04:47 PM #
  25. skeptical

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    Since the local media is monitoring this thread, it'll be a fine time to comment once again how great the city of Portland is -- nude biking and all.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 05:09 PM #
  26. littlesongs

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    Devin, thank you for joining the forum. I apologize for overreacting and assuming that someone far less thoughtful had spouted off and prematurely sealed the fate of KPSU on 1450 AM. This seems like it was an inevitable conflict between the target audiences of KBPS and KPSU. I sincerely hope that you will change your mind and be an active participant in future discussions of KPSU.

    It is water under the bridge, but with all due respect, I find it difficult to believe that the broadcast standards of PPS were unclear and arbitrary. In my experience, the rules at KBPS are cut and dried. If it is not something that is alright for school age kids to hear, it is not acceptable on 1450 AM. That was the cardinal rule in 1985 and I imagine that it is exactly the same today.

    "The Debate Hour" is an old fashioned round table in the long storied tradition of public radio. Having listened to the entire program, I have to agree that the show was perfectly acceptable in the context of a late night college radio broadcast. While this was a largely constructive and thoughtful discussion among enthusiastic PSU students, the "Voice of the Portland Public Schools" was not an appropriate outlet for the program.

    To recap for those who might not have heard it, the first forty minutes or so naturally unfolded with discussions of gay rights, politics, higher education, class separation, and partisanship. To nitpick, rather than encourage continued financial support of the station, the hosts made fun of the fact that an old pledge drive promo ran during the break. They returned with a lighthearted round of popular culture that included The Lion King, Google Street View, Cheer Keanu Up Day, and ended with a discussion of cinematic ways to escape from maximum security prison.

    Most of the hour was within the bounds of decency, but the show also included casual references to oral sex and alcohol use, the word "dick" as both an adjective and a noun, tips for people who like internet pornography and want to avoid viruses, masturbation, urine, and the now infamous sodomy discussion. They ended the hour by joking about having sex with "horse boy" and the Prime Minister of Australia before the FCC fines remarks.

    The show had merit. It simply did not belong on 1450 AM. This was neither the greatest nor the worst 60 minutes in the history of Portland radio. It was not full of the sort of premeditated sabotage and carelessness that usually leads to this kind of abrupt action. In fact, the outburst seemed much more rooted in the youthful zeal that I described earlier. As a listener and a member of the radio community, I am sorry that it all had to go down this way, but I understand the PPS position.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 05:11 PM #
  27. My name is Captain AP and I am the host of the debate hour. I am very surprised at the outrage over my new show that was put on the radio last night.

    For those of you that haven't listened to the show, I urge you to download the mp3 and listen to the entire show and not just 3 lines: http://archive.kpsu.org/station/archives/31636

    The show is 2 hours long, so please listen to it and form your own opinion. If you do listen I am sure you will find it to be a very educational show that highlights many important issues locally, nationally and internationally.

    A last note is that I am very sad that some people in the Portland Community would fight so hard to censure both free speech and open debate on sensitive issues.

    The following is the show email and the show facebook page. I am open to hearing any opinions from you. That is what my show is all about: Openness and discussion.

    Thank you,

    Captain AP

    email: kpsudebate@gmail.com
    Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/KPSU-Debate-Hour/467827375174#!/pages/KPSU-Debate-Hour/467827375174?v=info
    Show Archive: http://archive.kpsu.org/station/archives/31636

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 06:58 PM #
  28. Also, if you would like to listen live we are on the air from 9-11 Thursdays. You can listen at http://kpsu.org/

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 07:35 PM #
  29. I'm not going to debate the decision that we made (yes, it was a decision that a number of people are responsible for). I will confirm that the KPSU contract with the Portland School District was set to expire at midnight June 30th. Content has been an ongoing issue and the upcoming end of the contract seemed like a good time to make the change. As for earlier posts and some comments in Willamette Week and The Mercury about how there was no warning...there was. We have had an ongoing discussion with PSU officials about this. They were appropriately informed of the decision to let the contract lapse. In most cases in radio an announcer doesn't know he or she has had their last show...until they have had their last show. That was the mutual decision of PPS and PSU in this case. It's unfortunate that we found it necessary to end the relationship a bit early, but circumstances left us no other option.

    As I indicated before, we wish KPSU success in the future. Now folks...its time to move on.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 07:44 PM #
  30. Bill,
    I've been a KPSU DJ for years. From everything I've heard from EVERY KPSU manager and advisor, you've been an inconsiderate ass in your dealings with Portland State University and KPSU from the get-go. I don't deny there have been instances in which you have been at odds with KPSU over its programming. The on-air antics of a number of KPSU DJs over the years have made it increasingly inevitable that KBPS and KPSU part ways. I am more than angry at how these DJs have helped contribute to the demise of our broadcast signal through KBPS. However, none of this changes the fact that KPSU and Portland State University have, through our air-time leasing, subsidized your paycheck for 15+ years. When Portland Public Schools follows through with plans to close or reformulate Benson High School, I think you can rest assured that funding for KBPS will be on the chopping block, along with the funding for your job. Bill, if you seriously think a bunch of pre-recorded Sesame Street tunes (which is what I seem to hear every time I tune in KBPS) is going to pay for your job, you are sorely mistaken.

    I wish KBPS success in the future. Now folks...it's time to move on.

    DJ Simmerdown
    Matt Griffin

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 11:11 PM #
  31. As a member of the Portland State debate team and one of the participants on the show last night, I have to say that I am mildly offended by a lot of the name-calling and stereotyping I am hearing on this thread. If the light-hearted comments at the end of our two-hour broadcast offended anyone, I apologize. I suppose one could question the taste of the comments made, however no prohibited comments were made. The joke about FCC guidelines was simply a joke and not a suggestion for how our show should be run. We have always been most cautious in making sure that we fit under these guidelines.
    This discussion makes me feel that the community at large would limit our discussions to areas that could not possibly offend someone. I feel that this is unreasonable and also doesn’t foster an informative and interesting dialogue which is what we strive for, both on the show, on the debate team, and in our daily lives. I would recommend that people interested in this conversation listen to the program in full before making judgments about comments that they have heard in passing. I understand that when broadcasting on live radio, one doesn’t have the opportunity to rewind and listen to the whole conversation but I believe that we provide a worthwhile and education program and I am disappointed that people have reacted so strongly towards a joke made at the end of the program.

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 11:37 PM #
  32. Another fine example of KPSU programming standards ..in the last post and one preceeding it.

    College avante guard 21 century free form self centered know it alls..they make me proud to be a PSU alum , class of 84'. So the program director cant 'tell' his DJs what not to say based upon 'one mans standards"...GOD get a clue here !! first of all, when you are simulcasting on KBPS you tell your DJs , hey...remember that KBPS is a PUBLIC SCHOOL RADIO STATION...its HIGH SCHOOL PEOPLE...remember HIGH SCHOOL ?? Its high school , maybe a bit more progressive than yesteryear , but still HIGH SCHOOL, PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICT secondary education get it ? ...control yourselves..when simulcasting...geez louise..your PD needs a reality check and some interning at a 'real radio station'...

    KPSU DJs dont care nor understand that there are wildly different standards between college campus young adult talking points and rhetoric and that of Public school students that are learning something beyond how to be the next super moronic version of Air America or Mike Savidge on steriods .

    Posted on June 25, 2010 - 11:39 PM #
  33. To whom it may concern:

    My name is Kelly Welch, and I am a panelist on KPSU’s Debate Hour. Additionally, I have been a member of the PSU Debate Team for five years, coordinating for over three years, and have seen the evolution of our team from a small group of dedicated students into a fabulous organization at fueling lively discussion, winning tournaments all over the United States, and being able to discuss every sort of political and social issue we face with a good dose of levity and humor.

    Let me first state that while I understand that KPSU has had to abide by FCC regulations and a nebulous, undefined station policy. What I don’t understand, however, is why profanity exists as a category of language. Words are arbitrarily defined as being terrible based on antiquated notions of propriety. What separates “butt” and “ass” in my mind… well, nothing separates them. They are synonyms. But one is “so much worse” than the other. For no reason. No reason that makes sense, that is.

    But, how do we define what is “inappropriate” when there’s no hard and fast standard? We have been told to avoid the George Carlin’s 7 Words. I don’t agree with this policy. But I abide by it. We have been told not to issue calls of action or to tell our audience to do something. Fine, we don’t. We make suggestions.

    With these limitations of speech, we still continued our shows, because it was more important to have honest, open discussion that sometimes went into the arena of “hilarious” or “absurd.” If you want an example of this, when we had on a professor from the Political Science Department last week, who discussed Supreme Court politics with us for nearly an hour and a half, the entire discussion, full of fantastic information and lively discourse, was peppered with good jokes. It was our best radio show ever. (Part one: http://archive.kpsu.org/node/32240, Part two: http://archive.kpsu.org/node/32241 ) Who knows if we said anything inappropriate? I certainly don’t think we did. I know we didn’t violate the FCC’s rules, because we strictly avoid those transgressions.

    Truthfully, we don’t know if we’ve crossed a line until someone complains. The FCC works off of a complaint system, and apparently so does KBPS. So, what happens is that while the majority of people who watch or listen to things that are within the realm of what they believe is appropriate, all it takes is one outraged person with an e-mail account to raise a big ol’ fuss over three little words. If profanity goes out over the air, the FCC doesn’t hear about it unless someone complains. NEVER underestimate the power of a vocal minority.

    From now on, I will not underestimate the power of a vocal minority that a) doesn’t have a sense of humor, b) doesn’t know when someone is quoting television, c) can’t discern the inflection in someone’s voice which indicates wry wit, sarcastic humor, or irony, or d) cherry-picks words or phrases to illustrate their point without paying attention to things such as context, or even the content itself.

    Sodomy is not profane. Sex isn’t profane. Everyone does it eventually with rare exception, and it’s the reason you’re all here to complain about us talking about it. It’s fun, it’s a driving force for our survival as a species. The Supreme Court recently said that anti-sodomy legislation is a no-no. It’s all sorts of legal now! And, I’ve got it from a few reputable sources that sodomy is pretty great. And maybe we should encourage more of it. Maybe if everyone had a little more sodomy in their lives they wouldn’t be such anal-retentive killjoys.

    Enjoy silencing everyone, haters! http://www.gifbin.com/982918

    Posted on June 26, 2010 - 12:27 AM #
  34. Does anyone else find it mildly humorous that we're talking about a high school and a college campus radio station.

    It's not like OPB and KEX are feuding.

    Posted on June 26, 2010 - 12:30 AM #
  35. skeptical

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    I find it humorous that someone brought up "paycheck" when its likely most students associated with KPSU aren't going to get a paycheck doing radio at any time during their lives.

    Posted on June 26, 2010 - 12:41 AM #
  36. Mrs.Merkin

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    Ahh, College students. So smart, so intelligent. So well-spoken.

    Example A:

    "Hey, Bill Cooper and the rest of you old people that don't FUCK any more! Sodomy is fun, I'm sure you wish you could still do it without breaking a hip. KPSU will gladly go on without you. EAT SHIT AND DIE SOON!"

    which leads to:

    "...or d) cherry-picks words or phrases to illustrate their point without paying attention to things such as context, or even the content itself."

    Uh-huh, exactly!

    Dear Matt, Kelly, Dahowhow, Capt. Ap:

    You still don't get it. It all boils down to three little words:
    1. Portland
    2. Public
    3. Schools

    Nobody would give a shit if y'all were on KBOO or better yet, your own podcast. But you're not.

    You guys are definitely no Cort & Fatboy, they have their very own podcast and they actually ARE “hilarious” and “absurd.” Love them!

    The only thing I laughed at is that poor little "Robert Sands" thinks that we "old people" don't "fuck" anymore. Ah, youth. We're probably getting more than he is. I'm not really into "eating shit" or sodomy too much, butt hey, if that's what floats his poop, as long as he does it in private...

    P.S. to Robert:
    Of course I've tried it, but I'll state my motto here once again:
    "It's an exit, not an entrance"

    Posted on June 26, 2010 - 01:35 AM #
  37. 4.will cut
    5.the KBPS
    6.budget
    7.now that
    8.KPSU
    9.no longer
    10.purchases airtime
    11.and Bill Cooper
    12.will surely be
    13.unemployed

    And if you do fuck, please don't- PUBLIC OR PRIVATE. No one needs to see your fat wrinkled ass gettin' down there, granma...not anyone that doesn't like to vomit. Whatever floats THEIR poop, I guess.

    And to Kennewickman- "there are wildly different standards between college campus young adult talking points and rhetoric and that of Public school students" in my High School experience, people did just about as many drugs and fucked as much as college people. Moot point. Kids ain't all that innocent, and if they don't like it, either they or their parents can change the channel.

    Posted on June 26, 2010 - 02:05 AM #
  38. "I find it humorous that someone brought up "paycheck" when its likely most students associated with KPSU aren't going to get a paycheck doing radio at any time during their lives."

    That's right! We do it because it's FUN!

    Posted on June 26, 2010 - 02:06 AM #
  39. Now that I've read the entire thread, a good rule would have been to ask yourself:

    Could a high school teacher bring this subject up in class without being fired?

    Posted on June 26, 2010 - 02:37 AM #
  40. As a 15+ year KPSU DJ, I've found myself virtually alone in my outrage that a string of my fellow DJs have defended the content of their shows by saying "I didn't violate any FCC rules" or some such nonsense. You know, or at least should have known, that KPSU was to abide by a stricter set of guidelines, given its relationship with KBPS and Portland Public Schools. It was inevitable that KBPS and KPSU part ways - Bill Cooper has had it out for us from virtually the beginning and has hated both the relinquishing of airtime to people he couldn't oversee and the fact that KPSU was making a bigger splash on 1450 AM than he ever could have, or ever will. Similarly, he has enlisted several of his friends and supporters to monitor and complain about KPSU programming so as to "create a paper trail" of complaints. (I don't believe it's a coincidence that KW seems to know a lot about KPSU programming for someone who doesn't seem to know any KPSU DJs personally.) However, there's no denying that the cumulative effect of a number of KPSU DJs saying, over the years, "I didn't violate any FCC rules" helped bring us to this point. No one at PSU is going to give KPSU the hundreds of thousands of dollars needed for an over-the-air signal, and run the risk of incurring big-time FCC fines, if KPSU DJs have a track record of playing fast and loose with the rules. I listened to the show that broke the proverbial camel's back. I didn't find it offensive in the least and am happy to defend it on 1st Amendment grounds, but I can understand how KPSU's critics could (and did) use it as ammunition against us. Don't be naive KPSU DJs, KBPS held the reigns and we fucked it up.

    As far as earning a paycheck doing radio - I have and would again if I wanted, but it would probably mean having to work with people like KW, Mrs. Merkin or Bill Cooper. No thanks, I'll stick with college or community radio, where it's for love not money.

    Robert Sands, I love your #4-#13 comments - it is what I've been saying for years. KBPS is about to lose its KPSU financial subsidy and Bill Cooper's comment that "Very soon we will begin airing a number of Portland School District programs that are currently under development" certainly sounds like a whole heap of "oh shit, what do I do now to make it look like I still deserve a paycheck?"

    I certainly believe that KPSU - online, over the air, or otherwise - will continue to have more listeners that KBPS ever will. And once PPS pulls the plug on Benson and KBPS, KPSU will still be here.

    Posted on June 26, 2010 - 03:19 AM #
  41. Even commercial broadcasters can have headaches with FCC regulations from time to time. I need to remind those people jumping up and down here that there is a broadcasting license at stake... The licensee, Portland Public Schools, is responsible for ALL content that goes over the air on KBPS. If something untoward happens in technical operation parameters or obscene content, the licensee is responsible...A fine can be assessed or, in the worst case, the license can be pulled. It doesn't happen often, but it DOES happen. If the KPSU programming department thinks that's censorship, then leave that kind of content for the internet.

    I am reminded of something I read in Billboard magazine in the early 70s...It was an article on college radio, and how rich the genre was to the medium. One student programming head was quoted as reminding his air people about keeping something in mind at all times, and it was included on a sign posted in the control room: "Be nice...You've been invited into somebody's home."

    Would that have toned down the debate? A little maybe...and again, maybe not. It might sound quaint today, but a few so-called "hilarious" morning shows might benefit from the same advice...

    I'm sorry PSU has lost a valuable resource...It was fascinating to hear on my trips back home to Portland. I hope EVERYONE has learned a lesson from this experience that you can apply to your future.

    And thanks, Bill, for simply doing your job. When I was a student, KBPS did more public service programming than all Portland stations combined. If there's a funding shortfall, let's see what the community can do to support the mission of KBPS and the tremendous community resource that it has been for the past 87 or so years...

    - Mark Andrews, BPHS Class of '70 and proud KBPS alum

    Posted on June 26, 2010 - 06:20 AM #
  42. And to RobertSands I say "

    I know all about high school students...I work for a School District and have for 19 years now...which is probably closer to as OLD as you are, from the sounds of it. I am not a teacher, but I work around kids all day except in the summer. I do know how they think and work and play. And I also know about broadcast radio to a rather fine certainty, although perhaps with not as much experience as many others who post here, especially in Programming . That said ...

    One point that might not have been sharpened enough in this string/discussion is that of " The Mission of the Owner Operator ( dba "the Trustee" ) of the band allocation AKA " The Radio Station(s) "..

    PORTLAND PUBLIC SCHOOL's MISSION is quite different from that of say...really ANY given "for profit broadcast company "....tick em off ...
    Entercom, Salem , Cumulus , Clear Channel, alpha, GAP, ..or Sirius XM !!

    Their mission is to teach a specific HIGH SCHOOL PROGRAM. And as Craig pointed out above " Would a high school teacher be fired for teaching or commenting on 'this subject matter discussed "...the answer is YES.

    What is the 'Mission " of Portland State University as it relates to KPSU ?
    Ask youself that . I would agree that the PSU mission as Owner - Operator of KPSU is QUITE different than that of the Portland School District # 1. And could we agree on this one point !!!

    It isnt just the forbidden words or phrases as pointed out by Andy Brown earlier..its also " The Mission" of the owner-operator , trustee. And also about control of the programming content relavent to FCC rules and " THE MISSION "...Espeically the MISSION part of this when the trustee is answerable to a School Board of Public Education .

    Posted on June 26, 2010 - 07:42 AM #
  43. Broadway

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    >>Does anyone else find it mildly humorous that we're talking about a high school and a college campus radio station
    and the drama is just spewing here with immaturity and new lows in vulgarity...civility please!

    Posted on June 26, 2010 - 09:35 AM #
  44. When it doubt, leave it out. It's as if you've never seen a shock jock cross the line and get canned or something....

    Posted on June 26, 2010 - 09:46 AM #
  45. Amus

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    Doesn't happen very often but I agree with Broadway.
    Immaturity seems to be at the heart of the matter here.

    But then I'm an old fart who used to think fart jokes were funny.

    Posted on June 26, 2010 - 09:49 AM #
  46. Mrs.Merkin

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    "As far as earning a paycheck doing radio - I have and would again if I wanted, but it would probably mean having to work with people like KW, Mrs. Merkin or Bill Cooper. No thanks, I'll stick with college or community radio, where it's for love not money."

    I have nothing to do with the radio biz, just a listener.

    As we all know, there is a large group of very talented, witty, professional and knowledgable excellent people who were on the air in PDX and earning a paycheck who currently are not. You have a long line in front of you, Simmerdown. And they didn't do anything that was the least bit controversial on air to be let go: Jeff Clarke, Tara, Cort, Fat Boy, the list goes on and on...The only person I've ever heard of from KPSU is KINK's Inessa who got her start reading the Sunday newspaper out loud for the blind.

    Again, I don't give a crap what you put on the air, I just wouldn't bite the hands that are "feeding" your passion. And in this case, it was PPS's nicely-manicured hands that don't appreciate getting dirt or sodomy poop on them. Go to KBOO or do something college-esque (sp?) or daring that would take actual hard work like starting your own LPFM or a pirate station. RAR!

    Posted on June 26, 2010 - 11:09 AM #
  47. Alfredo_T

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    I don't know anything about the internal politics of the relationship between PSU's student station and KBPS, so I will not make any comments about that. What I can understand, however, is that KBPS owns the license to broadcast on 1450 kHz in the Portland area, as well as the transmitter site that allowed the PSU student station to be heard on AM. As such, KBPS has a right to set whatever policies they deem appropriate regarding the content of programming that they will air for PSU. It is that simple. I am not advocating censorship; I am just saying that this is the way that it works.

    To the Debate Hour host and participants: If your show had been on Portland Community Media (cable access), and you had let PCM know ahead of time that the program could contain potentially objectionable material, your remarks would have been OK. PCM would have scheduled your show to play after 10 PM, and they would have run a disclaimer before the show. That is their policy.

    If your show had been a podcast only, you would most likely have been OK. There is, of course the small possibility that the hosting company would have had a problem with your remarks and asked you to remove the episode.

    I don't think that the topics on your show were inappropriate or worthy of being forbidden. I just think that the banter toward the end got a little bit out of hand. Years ago, when I started doing college radio, I once got a bit carried away with antics behind the mic. I didn't say anything obscene or use the seven forbidden words, but the content and tone of what I did generated complaints to the radio station. The station manager pulled me aside and said that I could either shape up or be taken off the air. I chose to shape up, and life moved on.

    Posted on June 26, 2010 - 12:24 PM #
  48. littlesongs

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    Some folks need to take a deep breath. I enjoyed the show, but it did not belong on 1450 AM.

    The target audience of 1450 AM is the students, parents and faculty of the Portland Public Schools.

    If that is not clear enough, let it stand amended to reflect the two parties involved.

    KBPS exists to train students to be broadcast professionals. When programming originates from KBPS, the audience of 1450 AM is the students, parents and faculty of the Portland Public Schools.

    The primary target demographic is approximately 5-18.

    KPSU exists to give students a voice. When programming originates from KPSU, the target audience of 1450 AM is the students, parents and faculty of the Portland Public Schools and Portland State.

    The primary target demographic is approximately 5-35.

    It could be argued that the younger students should be fast asleep by the time this particular program aired. It could be argued that KPSU had been around so long that parents and teachers should know that evening programming is not designed by kids or for kids.

    It could also be argued that popular student hosted programs like "Night Teen Magazine" and "Summer Sound" were perfect in the evenings and should have continued to this day. It could also be argued that regular live coverage of PIL sports, concerts and other events were of value to the community.

    Programming that is broadcast from Benson must reflect PPS community standards during the entire schedule because the facility belongs to the school system. The 15 year relationship between KBPS and KPSU has been rocky because a small number of managers, hosts and programmers did not choose to fully understand the concrete role of 1450 AM.

    PSU would have greatly benefited by having the foresight to license and operate a station of their own. Frequencies were open for decades that would have been perfect for such an operation. In all likelihood, the university would have a nice C1 or C2 right now, but they chose not to pursue it.

    Posted on June 26, 2010 - 03:56 PM #
  49. Radio is a turnstile lifestyle. High school and college radio are that to the inth degree. The constant change in students from year to year is what makes both KPSU and KBPS viable in different ways. LS totally nailed it with his recent post.

    Having worked at a college radio station, a blow torch of 10 watts that actually reached the South Hill in Spokane, WA from the north end of town, gave us a small sense of reaching beyond just the campus community. We were easily heard for a least a mile around campus along with our skip to the south hill. When we started getting phone calls from off campus listeners it was a reminder that we were not alone in our college cloister.

    One of my college classmates was a teachers assistant and asked myself and another one of our DJ's to come to her third grade classroom and talk about our radio experience. The class listened in to our morning show before we showed up at their classroom. We had the TA send us names of some of the students and asked where they sat. We had fun with that, so by the time we arrived at the school about 3 blocks from campus we had already been dubbed "hero" status.

    It was a great time interacting with the kids and signing autographs. I even got goosed by one third grade girl..but thats another story.

    All this to say, its sounds like KPSU and KBPS had gone as far as they could go and its certainly time for both to reconnect with their respective audiences without any limitations. I actually see this as a win-win for both.

    Too bad it turned ugly, but then again I have yet to talk to anyone I know who said they really enjoyed going through their divorce.

    Posted on June 26, 2010 - 05:49 PM #
  50. big89

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    Seems like there is a lot being made of a contract violation. It appears that KPSU had an LMA with KBPS, and violated the terms of the agreement. So, KBPS cancels the agreement for breech of contract. This really has nothing to do with freedom of speech. When you enter into a contract, you need to make sure you spell out exactly what you want or don't want. Maybe KPSU should have used legal counsel to let their people know the terms and conditions of their contract.

    Posted on June 27, 2010 - 06:03 PM #

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