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Shocker! Tea Party people are uninformed loons. The poll.

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  • Started 4 years ago by LurkingGrendel
  • Latest reply from missing_kskd

  1. Yes indeed. This is shocking. Tea Party people are largely far right conservative, white, have viewpoints colored by racism, feel violence is a good idea for expressing thier political views, and pretty much know little to nothing about, well, anything. Who knew?

    From ThinkProgress.org:

    Last night, the New York Times and CBS News released a poll finding that the “18 percent of Americans who identify themselves as Tea Party supporters tend to be Republican, white, male, married and older than 45.” The poll, which “oversampled” Tea Party supporters “for the purpose of analysis” and “then weighted” them “to their proper proportion in the poll,” found that Tea Partiers are more likely than the general public to think President Obama “favors blacks over whites“:

    The overwhelming majority of supporters say Mr. Obama does not share the values most Americans live by and that he does not understand the problems of people like themselves. More than half say the policies of the administration favor the poor, and 25 percent think that the administration favors blacks over whites — compared with 11 percent of the general public.

    They are more likely than the general public, and Republicans, to say that too much has been made of the problems facing black people.

    According to the poll, Tea Partiers are also more likely to believe that President Obama was born in another country, with 30 percent believing that compared to 20 percent of the general public. Supporters of the Tea Party are also more likely to believe that violence against the government is sometimes justified:

    In terms of where the Tea Party turns for news, the poll found that 63 percent watch Fox News “most for information about politics and current events.” Additionally, 53 percent of Tea Partiers consider “shows hosted by people like Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity” to be news rather than entertainment:

    The Tea Partiers, who view Sarah Palin very favorably but aren’t sure she is ready to be president, have a distorted image of whether or not their views reflect America. According to the poll, 84 percent of Tea Partiers believe that “the views of the people involved in the Tea Party movement generally reflect the views of most Americans.” Only 25 percent of the general public, however, believe that the Tea Party reflects their views.

    GOP? Meet your base. America? Meet the loons who want to run the country. Which as long as you're a white, conservative, heterosexual, Christian, and enjoy being unencumbered by facts, should be just dandy.

    The full link: http://thinkprogress.org/2010/04/15/nytimes-tea-party-poll/

    Posted on April 15, 2010 - 12:04 PM #
  2. Anonymous

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    WOW!

    Posted on April 15, 2010 - 12:26 PM #
  3. Idiots.

    Posted on April 15, 2010 - 02:02 PM #
  4. Do the thousands of protesters descending on Washington for Tax Day protests know that taxes have gone down?

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-04-14/tax-day-fools/?cid=hp:mainpromo5

    Posted on April 15, 2010 - 02:14 PM #
  5. Vitalogy

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    What a shocker to see that racisim really is the base of all their beliefs.

    Posted on April 15, 2010 - 03:02 PM #
  6. I'm shocked, shocked!

    Posted on April 15, 2010 - 03:03 PM #
  7. There was a Tea Party rally in my neck of the woods recently...it looked like a Klan rally sans the white hoods.

    Posted on April 15, 2010 - 03:21 PM #
  8. Anonymous

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    I wanna where these F'In idiots were while shitforbrains and chucklenutts where in charge for 8 years.... THEIR God and Savior was spending 6 billion a month on Iraq and Afghanistan and there was NO outrage? Now that we are trying to do something for America IN AMERICA they're pissed?

    Talk about UNAmerican and UNPatriotic...

    WOW!

    F'in WOW!

    Posted on April 15, 2010 - 04:25 PM #
  9. Unchecked deficit spending for war of choice = good.

    Health care reform = bad.

    Ladies and Gentlemen, The GOP. Praise Jeebus.

    Posted on April 15, 2010 - 04:54 PM #
  10. Anonymous

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    Teabaggers = GOP in sheep's clothing... I bet if you dig down far enough you will find Carl Rove's hands all over the Teabaggers movement.... He's a sneaky bastard...

    Posted on April 15, 2010 - 04:57 PM #
  11. Many Tea Party "grass roots" groups are actually funded by corporate interests...you get one guess who is writing the checks.

    It's the "grass roots" opposition to Health Care reform 2.0.

    And equally intelligent.

    That may prove doubly the case as I suspect many of these "Tea Party" people are actually cutting into The Republican Party, particularly during a primary, than doing any damage to the people they actually claim to oppose. Ergo, you see everyone of substance in The GOP scrambling to both "be in support of these fine Americans, etc." while at the same time trying to avoid showing up at an actual Tea Party event where the video of that appearance will come back to haunt them during an election.

    Michele Bachman and other far right loons in safe districts, notwithstanding.

    Posted on April 15, 2010 - 10:14 PM #
  12. littlesongs

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    Grendel, I agree with everything you said except one thing:

    "Michele Bachman and other far right loons in safe districts, notwithstanding."

    Michele Bachmann is not in a safe district anymore. In fact, her constituents are enduring the highest unemployment and foreclosure rates in the state of Minnesota. They have faced all of these challenges without any help from their congressperson. Devoid of any sense of urgency or reality, Bachmann has continued to vote against important legislation like extending unemployment benefits. With hard work and a good campaign, it is entirely possible that Tarryl Clark could win by a sizable margin in November.

    http://www.tarrylclark.com/

    Posted on April 15, 2010 - 10:22 PM #
  13. I don't know a great deal about the demographic specifics of her district...other than I recall reading somewhere it's very white, mostly affluent, and tends to vote conservative.

    Which (honestly) is all well and good...the thing I find utterly puzzling is how the rational people whom live there, and I'd like to think there's a resonable number of them, could possibly be happy with that lady.

    The provably wrong, idiotic bullshit she spouts off (seemingly on the daily) is an embarassment to thinking people, left and right, the world over.

    Posted on April 15, 2010 - 10:50 PM #
  14. skeptical

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    From Lurking's post: The Tea Partiers, who view Sarah Palin very favorably but aren’t sure she is ready to be president

    This is the REAL shocker folks. I read in The O that only 48% of the Tea Partiers support Sarah for President. Is she there as eye candy or what?

    Posted on April 15, 2010 - 11:00 PM #
  15. Broadway

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    >>embarassment to thinking people, left and right, the world over.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/16/teacher-sought-demolish-tea-party-placed-leave-school/

    Posted on April 16, 2010 - 07:42 AM #
  16. Congratulations, B. You find a guy. A private citizen, though in a sensitive position, who opined his dis-like of the Tea Party rabble and his now under fire for those comments. And this has what, exactly, to do with Bachman or the demographic composition of Tea Party people?

    While I do not approve of middle school teachers expounding their political belief system to a bunch of students, (regardless of it's ideological bent) it's a hell of a leap and an example of false equivilancy to infer it has any relevance at all to the dicussion at hand.

    Would you like to actually jump in and leap the defense of Michele Bachman and The Tea Party loons? You know, contribute to the actual topic? Please, feel free.

    Posted on April 16, 2010 - 07:59 AM #
  17. Skeptical said, "This is the REAL shocker folks. I read in The O that only 48% of the Tea Partiers support Sarah for President. Is she there as eye candy or what"?

    Circus clown?

    Joking aside, I'm not entirely sure how that dynamic shakes out, either. Palin is, and always has been, substance free but she's an undeniably interesting figure that certain people identify with.

    I'd suggest she'd have more success as a far right conservative talk show host than politican but she doesn't appear to possess that skill-set either.

    She gives great (and loony) speeches to the GOP base declaiming all manner of inflammatory (and inaccurate) rhetoric.

    Interesting opinion piece on the phenom: http://www.mediaite.com/online/sarah-palin-is-corrupting-the-quality-of-national-politics/

    Maybe it's as simple as people like her...but even her super fans realize she's simply not that bright.

    Posted on April 16, 2010 - 08:08 AM #
  18. Amus

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    The story of Valerie and Rob Shirk:

    "Early yesterday morning, Valerie and Rob Shirk corralled their 10 home-schooled children into their van for the 2 1/2-hour drive from their home in Connecticut to Boston, arriving just in time to hear Sarah Palin denounce government-run health care at the tea party movement rally on Boston Common.

    They thought it would be a learning opportunity for their children, who range in age from 9 months to 15 years old and who held up signs criticizing the government for defying the “will of the people.’’

    “The problem in this country is that too many people are looking for handouts,’’ said Valerie Shirk, 43, of Prospect, Conn. “I agree with the signs that say, ‘Share my father’s work ethic — not his paycheck.’ We have to do something about the whole welfare mentality in this country.’’

    The Shirks were among the thousands of people who attended the rally from around the region, many of them carrying signs with slogans such as, “What Part of Live Free or Die Don’t You Understand?,’’ “Don’t Tread on Me,’’ and “Starve the Beast by Tax Cuts.’’

    For the Shirks, it was a day for their children to seek inspiration from Palin and the other speakers, who questioned Obama’s patriotism and at least one of whom referred to him repeatedly as Barack Hussein.

    The couple, who rely on Medicaid for their health care, were also upset about the nation’s new health reforms.

    When asked why her family used state-subsidized health care when she criticized people who take handouts, Valerie Shirk said she did not want to stop having children, and that her husband’s income was not enough to cover the family with private insurance.

    “I know there’s a dichotomy because of what we get from the state,’’ she said. “But I just look at each of my children as a blessing.’’

    http://tinyurl.com/y25onh7

    Posted on April 16, 2010 - 08:32 AM #
  19. Alfredo_T

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    Here is a link to the actual study: http://s3.amazonaws.com/nytdocs/docs/312/312.pdf

    Many of the Tea Party people are angry ideologues of a right wing bent. However, aren't the people who operate thinkprogress.org also ideologues, possibly angry, but of a left-wing bent? Why else would they give their website a name that alludes to an ideological position ("progressive")?

    I attended a few Tea Party demonstrations in the past, but I have distanced myself from them in the last six months or so. Part of the reason is that I thought that this movement was going too extreme in its positions. The other problem is that I am becoming very jaded with ideologues in politics. By ideologues, I am referring to people whose identity is built up around some political world view. They care more about upholding those dogmatic beliefs than they focus on analyzing individual issues. They selectively focus on, distort, or ignore facts in order to reinforce their pre-conceived world view. They may apply litmus tests to people with whom the associate or go out of their way to correct people who espouse ideas that don't mesh with the pre-conceived world view. Ideologues do not engage in any honest, meaningful inquiry, and often, they take ideas to very odd extremes for the sake of validating their world views.

    The Tea Party events I attended were what I would expect of a protest rally: there were people with signs shouting slogans, and some people were dressed in such a way as to draw attention to themselves. One of the events was focused on gathering signatures for some initiative and referendum petitions. At no point did I run across anybody who advocated violence. All of the people I talked to were actually quite nice. However, the overwhelming message was that the government wastes money on "cushy" administrative jobs for its employees or on redistributing it to people who could work but don't (because they don't have to). Every once in a while, a reference to Atlas Shrugged would pop up. Conspicuously absent was the viewpoint that the government wastes money on the armed forces (or on the highway system or the faith-based initiatives program, for that matter). In my opinion, most of the protesters were driven by the tenet that the Democrat Party is a "tax and spend" party, and Obama was symbolically the arch-Democrat to them.

    Posted on April 16, 2010 - 11:50 AM #
  20. Or, it could be they're (provably) a bunch of uninformed loons.

    Posted on April 16, 2010 - 02:21 PM #
  21. Alfredo_T

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    You sound somewhat prejudiced when you say that.

    Posted on April 16, 2010 - 02:40 PM #
  22. Amus

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    It's a broad statement.
    But the poll seems to back it up.

    Posted on April 16, 2010 - 02:48 PM #
  23. When asked why her family used state-subsidized health care when she criticized people who take handouts, Valerie Shirk said she did not want to stop having children, and that her husband’s income was not enough to cover the family with private insurance.

    Yet, they have the money to take trips to Boston to complain about any part of people's lives being subsidized by any amount at all.

    Posted on April 16, 2010 - 04:23 PM #
  24. littlesongs

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    I appreciate that Alfredo has explored some of the many facets of American politics and I truly value his willingness to share the experiences.

    Holding the government accountable for dollars spent is not partisan. The differences lie in how a group of people act when expressing that ideal. Every American could take the time to study the numbers and express their dismay in a calm and reasoned way, but few actually do it. I think that people are uncomfortable with the idea of taking the facts in hand for themselves and forming an opinion. Most seem satisfied with media outlets that parse the news in a way that maximizes profits. The truth is there for anyone who actually wants to explore:

    http://www.usaspending.gov/

    I believe it is fair to say that regardless of our political leanings, we all paint with broad strokes when discussing large crowds of people. At the same time, it is fairly obvious that in more than a few regions of our country, the "Tea Party" has been involved in behavior that steps far beyond peaceful protest or mere civil disobedience. Whatever "tax message" they had is no longer being heard above the shouts. Whether or not the movement was grassroots or astroturf is debatable, but it is quite clear that they are now being used as a tool to divide America along ethnic and economic lines.

    When it comes to teaching their kids about the full scope of American civics, Valerie and Bob are an aptly named couple:

    Main Entry: shirk
    Pronunciation: \ˈshərk\
    Function: verb
    Etymology: origin unknown
    Date: 1681

    intransitive verb 1 : to go stealthily : sneak
    2 : to evade the performance of an obligation
    transitive verb : avoid, evade <shirk one's duty>

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shirk

    Posted on April 16, 2010 - 06:31 PM #
  25. Vitalogy

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    MOD: If the great percentage of the tea partiers were to be educated on what they pay vs what others pay in SUBSIDY for them to piss and moan about taxes, they'd be shocked and embarrased. They are literally against their own best economic interests.

    Posted on April 16, 2010 - 08:27 PM #
  26. As a fellow Valerie, I too am "shocked and embarrased" by Valerie's actions!

    Posted on April 16, 2010 - 09:02 PM #
  27. Amus

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    I think it goes to show that you can be well educated yet ignorant.

    Posted on April 16, 2010 - 09:34 PM #
  28. I think I'll go out on a limb here and predict that the Tea Party will fizzle out, possibly even before November, with its remains thoroughly co-opted and tamed by a GOP who can't afford to be splintered. Plus its promotion came primarily from corporate opposition to health care reform, which is now past, and by Fox News seeking an audience, whom is becoming increasingly embarrassed by it.

    The poll betrayed it to the public as a movement of mostly folks who really don't have that much to complain about. The Tax Day protests only resulted in publicity for the actual middle-class tax cuts. Sarah is riding off into the sunset already, and McCain is frantically trying to distance himself from ... himself.

    Posted on April 18, 2010 - 04:02 PM #
  29. Tea Party Protester Threatens Interviewer, U.S. Capitol March 2010

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgec9WX21ik

    Posted on April 24, 2010 - 08:57 PM #
  30. missing_kskd

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    jeffreykopp, I honestly think they might go big with it.

    The problem the GOP has is they've got solid relationships with big business. That means favorable media, contributions, etc...

    That's a strong leg up, particularly given the Citizens United decision. (and what an Orwellian name --corps as people, united...)

    The party platform has been shot to hell, and they've framed the progress made in such bad terms that it's difficult to come back and validate it, despite much of it being pretty much what they would have done, had they actually been inclined to do so.

    (and that pisses me off, because it's not working as well as it probably should, and they can turn right around and blame Dems for a tepid environment, avoiding the nasty reality that their ideas got us here, and most of their ideas led to a wealthy recovery, dumping the losses on the middle class)

    There isn't any way for them to go progressive on things. They've invested a lot into demonizing that too. Staying corporate is needed for the continued support of big business, but that's not really appealing to the masses.

    Many tea party members appear to back the corporate stuff, largely because they also get their social issues on the agenda for doing it. That formula isn't going anywhere. It's the 23 percent lock, they can count on every election.

    Race baiting, escalation of fear, escalation of the idea that only big business can help us, not government, coupled with the damage that has done --and coupled with the fact that an awful lot more people know that now, means they really can't go and just deny all of that, without losing some core element of support they need.

    If they take the tea party big, they can get all the morons, angry people, and foolish ones. That's 23 percent, plus whoever big business can buy into, or scare away unfavorable votes.

    Maybe it's too early, but I think the money is going to be a big deal. The strategy will be not winning at all, but simply not losing. The difference is they can just marginalize and demonize their challengers, while just not pissing anybody off, hoping for a win.

    Some Dems might stay home too, depending on how successful they are in messaging. Again, the dollars weigh heavy on my mind.

    Independents are mixed bag, and I don't think either party can count on them, this go around. That's the single biggest reason, I wanted the health care bill to include public plans. That would have been a huge win with a lot of independents, and small to mid sized business, who is just as screwed as we are most of the time.

    The big concern for Dems is youth voters staying home this time. The push for Obama was huge. Excellent to see! But, the product of his Presidency isn't really rocking people right away. Good stuff is happening, but so is some tepid, questionable stuff too. Nukes, drilling, etc...

    Maybe they will get out the vote for fear of losing the progress. Everybody remembers, or knows how it went with Clinton. Maybe the need is strong enough to focus people, but I wouldn't count on that.

    So then, they could go big with it, lock in the 23 percenters huge, allowing big business to marginalize good people, splitting votes, leaving them with wins where they would not otherwise have them, and that's probably as good as it gets strategy wise.

    Posted on April 24, 2010 - 11:56 PM #
  31. Teletype

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    Speaking of uninformed loons, here is another compilation of Teabagger idiocy. This is from the tax day protest a couple weeks ago.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/NewLeftMedia

    I LOVE watching these things. These morons crack me up. Obama wants to ban fishing!

    Posted on April 26, 2010 - 09:16 AM #
  32. It's true! Glen Beck told her. And Fox News said so, too!

    As I recently told a friend my disgust for these people has nothing to do with political affiliation and everything to do with the fact they're (provably) ignorant tools.

    I'll have an informed discussion any day of the week regarding actual policy. The problem is the bulk of the "other" side has no idea what they're talking about.

    Posted on April 26, 2010 - 09:30 AM #
  33. Teletype

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    I agree, Lurk, an informed discussion would be great. The right has some good points...or they used to anyway. Unfortunately, the SERIOUS right does not exist anymore, except for a few legitimate conservatives who are being pushed to the sidelines. It's just these teabagger clowns now, and you can't have a conversation with them.

    Posted on April 26, 2010 - 09:45 AM #
  34. Vitalogy

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    The tea baggers are an indicator that the dumbing down of society is in full swing.

    Posted on April 26, 2010 - 10:26 AM #
  35. "If you listen to [their] language, it's always about 'taking our country back.' But it's really not taking the country back as is. It's taking the country back"—as in time.

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/236996

    Posted on April 27, 2010 - 12:04 PM #
  36. Besides ignoring the AZ immigration bill, the Tea Party ignored the protest of Wall Street:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/29/march-on-wall-street-unio_n_557400.html

    Posted on April 29, 2010 - 03:13 PM #
  37. Surprising.

    Next thing you're going to tell me Fox News isn't covering in detail what is quickly becoming the biggest environmental disaster in the last decade currently unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico.

    Posted on April 29, 2010 - 04:23 PM #
  38. missing_kskd

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    jeffrey, yes!! Back to a simpler time, when bigots could be honest to God fearing bigots, hanging out at the pub with theocrats and racists, all happy to be among good friends, all of whom think the only time a woman should speak is when she is spoken to, where red, bloody meat is a sign of strength, just like that open carry fire arm.

    Posted on April 29, 2010 - 09:20 PM #

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