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Poll: Overwhelming support for gun control

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  1. Vitalogy

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    The public heavily favors universal background checks for gun buyers, and a majority of Americans approve of a federal database to track gun sales as well as a ban on "assault style weapons," a new poll from the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press shows.

    In the survey, 85 percent of respondents said they favor background checks for private and gun show sales, while only 12 percent say they oppose such checks.

    Sixty-seven percent of adults surveyed approve of a federal database to track gun sales, the poll indicated. A majority -- 55 percent -- back a ban on assault weapons, with 40 percent saying they don't approve of the ban, a measure for which President Barack Obama again voiced support during a press conference today. (The partisan breakdown, however, is stark, with seven in ten Democrats backing the ban compared to just 44 percent of Republicans.)

    A major gender gap also remains on the gun issue; women favor an assault weapons ban by almost 20 percentage points over men. Women are also far less likely to support the idea of encouraging more gun ownership among teachers and other school officials.

    Overall, the NRA-backed idea of encouraging more armed guards and police officers at schools garners wide support, with just 32 percent opposing and 64 percent favoring the proposal.

    But when it comes to arming more teachers, those numbers are nearly flipped, with 57 percent giving the idea a thumbs down.

    The Pew survey was conducted January 9-13, with a sample size of 1,502 adults. The margin of error for the total sample is +/- 2.9 percentage points.

    http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/14/16510092-poll-majorities-favor-assault-weapons-ban-background-checks?lite

    Posted on January 15, 2013 - 09:05 PM #
  2. Vitalogy

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    Funny stat of the night, courtesy of the Washington Post/ABC News poll: Stupid white people are the only ones against an assault weapons ban.

    Support an assault weapons ban:

    43%: White, non-college educated men.
    57%: White, college educated men.
    73%: White, college educated women.
    63%: Non-white.
    52%: Ages 18-39.

    Posted on January 15, 2013 - 09:15 PM #
  3. NoParty

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    Pasty old fat white men are on the decline and 2016 will show that big time!

    Posted on January 15, 2013 - 09:18 PM #
  4. Vitalogy

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    I'm sure it's no shocker who belongs in the 43%.

    Posted on January 15, 2013 - 09:22 PM #
  5. NoParty

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    99% CONers

    Posted on January 15, 2013 - 09:23 PM #
  6. I wonder if bigots like Trixter..will be of any lesser consequence in 2016 ? And I fall into the White Man over 60 , college educated which does support an assault weapons ban, BTW..and I dont own a gun either..more than I can say for the majority of the people on this board LIB or CON.

    Posted on January 16, 2013 - 10:32 AM #
  7. NoParty

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    Bigots? Kennman if I'm a bigot you've got some real problems... I'm sorry if the FACT that America is changing and you don't like it. Look in the mirror maybe your the REAL bigot here.

    Posted on January 16, 2013 - 11:00 AM #
  8. Struck a nerve didnt I ?

    Anyone who posts things like " pasty old fat white men "..is making assumptive bigoted statements... in the form that only people who look like this would take some kind of attitude about gun control that you dont like or that might go counter to what is thought to be popular right now.

    You might want to re-phrase assertions like this..unless you just dont care in the first place, which is probably the case from you statements heretofore .

    The country is changing..true..but just because a majority might think of some issue as being " right " for the times, doesnt necessarliy make it 'right' in the long run...just sayin'..

    Posted on January 16, 2013 - 01:18 PM #
  9. Notalent

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    There is an actual reason this country was designed specifically to avoid "majority rule"

    Posted on January 16, 2013 - 01:21 PM #
  10. motozak3

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    Lately, it seems that I don't even have to open up threads on this forum any more to find out who started them. All I have to do is look at the headlines.

    Posted on January 16, 2013 - 01:48 PM #
  11. Skybill9

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    Yep, our local "guns suck" troll.

    Posted on January 16, 2013 - 01:49 PM #
  12. Notalent

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    Only $4.5 Billion in new spending to control the guns...

    WOW!

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/least-45-billion-new-spending-gun-control_696120.html

    Posted on January 16, 2013 - 01:52 PM #
  13. Broadway

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    Remarks from a FB friend...
    The first murder recorded in the Bible is when Cain killed his brother Abel. God didn't blame the rock Cain used, but blamed Cain's hateful and jealous heart. My view is that when God gave mankind free will, every man is responsible and accountable for his own actions.

    Posted on January 16, 2013 - 01:53 PM #
  14. Skybill9

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    But Broadway that's not the LIEberal's way of thinking. There has to be someone or something else to blame it on. It's never the fault of the person doing the deed.

    Maybe Cain's parents didn't buy him a hamster when he was 7 so that made him kill Abel. To the LIEberals that would be justification that it isn't his fault.

    Posted on January 16, 2013 - 01:59 PM #
  15. Uncle Mort

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    We have certain restrictions on what appears to be limitless free speech under the first amendment. Hence restrictions to the second amendment are also viable insofar as they further a legitimate govt purpose to prevent danger to others, as by shouting 'fire!' just for fun in a packed, darkened theatre. The expected harmful outcome of such action outweighs your absolute liberty to say whatever you want wherever. And the expected mass murder from an assault weapon far outweighs any alleged value to the owner.

    Posted on January 16, 2013 - 02:02 PM #
  16. Vitalogy

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    Cain and Abel are made up. Great analogy Broadway.

    Posted on January 16, 2013 - 02:04 PM #
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    If the human race had counted on mankind's ability to be accountable for his own actions, we'd still be living in caves and waiting for lightning to start a fire. Those humans that for reasons of mental defect can not, repeat can not, always be counted on to account for their actions.

    In typical Broadway style (style? more like lack of style) he lays some Bible shtick out like it is contributory to the national conversation. It's not. Why is it not? Because the flock went AWOL long ago. The influence of the Bible is pretty limited these days. Not extinct, but certainly not a standard to which anyone with an open mind takes very seriously.

    God moved on. We aren't living in the same times and haven't been for thousands of years. The same simpleton catch phrase crap you shovel now doesn't fly.

    Today's problems are clearly far more complex for you to grasp let alone parse. People can't be expected to all pay their taxes properly or at all, come to a complete stop before making a right turn, monitor their children in the grocery store so they don't pick their nose and wipe it on the apples, or not throw trash out the window of their car into the street. That's why we have laws and enforcement. Most countries on the planet do.

    Broadway, you live in a bubble and are hopelessly lost, clinging to the phrase of the week handed down to you by your local religious guru. Take a step back and look at your posts. They are pathetic.

    But don't think I'm angered. Mildly annoyed would be more accurate. You're old enough and smart enough to know that your namby pamby answers to some intense real world problems provide nothing towards a solution. Nothing at all.

    You think you know the Lord. I got news for you, you don't know the Lord at all.

    Posted on January 16, 2013 - 02:07 PM #
  18. Broadway: Remarks from a FB friend...
    The first murder recorded in the Bible is when Cain killed his brother Abel. God didn't blame the rock Cain used, but blamed Cain's hateful and jealous heart. My view is that when God gave mankind free will, every man is responsible and accountable for his own actions.
    R
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    Question from an old man:

    How would you react if your son or daughter at he ripe old age of 7 had 11 bullet holes in the head?

    Posted on January 16, 2013 - 02:10 PM #
  19. NoParty

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    Struck a nerve didnt I ?

    LOL!

    I guess I stuck one with you...

    Posted on January 16, 2013 - 02:11 PM #
  20. NoParty

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    But Broadway that's not the LIEberal's way of thinking. There has to be someone or something else to blame it on.

    Ummm riiiiight! It's all Clinton's fault, It's all the Dems in CONgress fault, it's Obummers fault...

    Sounds like your talk Sky...

    Posted on January 16, 2013 - 02:14 PM #
  21. Broadway

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    >>You think you know the Lord. I got news for you, you don't know the Lord at all.
    Andy, you do not know what your are saying. I am very aware of my God and have been since a young age. He reveals Himself to me daily through His word and other Christians around me who I fellowship with daily...
    join us---
    >>your namby pamby answers
    Not my answers...God alone...

    Posted on January 16, 2013 - 02:28 PM #
  22. Andy_brown

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    "Andy, you do not know what your are saying."

    I know exactly what I'm saying.

    "He reveals Himself to me daily through His word and other Christians around me who I fellowship with daily..."

    That does not solve or even contribute to the problem at hand.

    "Not my answers...God alone..."

    Oh really. The second testament is not God's word. It's man's.

    Posted on January 16, 2013 - 02:33 PM #
  23. Uncle Mort

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    Cain and Abel preceded Caesar BW. Wrong analogy. The new testament acknowledges the role of govt, your obligation to heed its laws, and calls on you to render unto caesar. Reasonable laws to curtail nuts from getting guns for example, underscoring that old chestnut thou shalt not kill. Funny how you papists are hot for govt intervention against abortion, but stoutly against it here.

    Posted on January 16, 2013 - 03:28 PM #
  24. Skybill9

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    "Reasonable laws to curtail nuts from getting guns for example, underscoring that old chestnut thou shalt not kill."

    Nobody has said anything even remotley close to saying that these things are unreasonable.

    Are you taking Vitalogy lessons?

    Posted on January 16, 2013 - 03:37 PM #
  25. Amus

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    Curious..

    What is unreasonable?

    Should fully automatic weapons be available to the general public assuming they pass some sort of background check?

    Should semi-automatic weapons be available to the general public assuming they pass some sort of background check?

    What about large (greater than 10 round) magazines?

    To a gun enthusiast, what is the purpose for owning these things?
    I honestly have no interest in them myself, so I admittedly don't understand the attraction.

    Hunting?
    Seems to me that would remove any semblance of "sport" from the sport.

    Self protection?
    Does one really need an assault weapon to denfend against a home invasion?
    Seems like overkill (pardon the pun).

    Protection from tyrannical Government?
    This seems like pure folly considering the firepower available to the Government.
    This didn't work out very well for the well-armed Branch Davidians.
    Seems to me the only way tyrannical governments have been overthrown is when the number of those oppressed reaches a tipping point.

    If you want to overthrow a Government when all you have is a small number of well armed cranky nut jobs seems like you have a minority wanting to impose their will on the rest of us, literally at the point of a gun.

    Fun?
    This one I think I could understand more than the others.
    If all you want is the fun of firing a bunch of rounds at a target (assuming it's a non-human target), what's wrong with checking one out at a well regulated facility where these things can be secured against those that would get access to them and wreak havoc?

    Lastly, would it be unreasonable if we limited the public's right to keep and bear arms to those arms that were available when the second amendment was written?

    Posted on January 16, 2013 - 04:00 PM #
  26. NoParty

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    Sky said>>>>>
    Are you taking Vitalogy lessons?

    Obviously Sky, your not.

    Posted on January 16, 2013 - 08:22 PM #
  27. Skybill9

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    Amus, Here are my thoughts and opinions on your questions;

    "Should fully automatic weapons be available to the general public assuming they pass some sort of background check?"

    No. However you can currently be licensed by the BATFE to own fully automatic weapons but it's not an easy license to get.

    "Should semi-automatic weapons be available to the general public assuming they pass some sort of background check?"

    Yes. They are currently available and the existing background check applies. Semi-Automatic guns can be anything from a .22 rifle like the Ruger 10-22 to a 50 caliber rifle, a shotgun, or most any caliber pistol.

    "What about large (greater than 10 round) magazines?"

    Yes. Limiting magazine quantity is simply a feel good thing for the politicians to do. Most handguns hold between 7 and 13 rounds depending on the caliber. Let’s say for the sake of argument that they pass a law that says a magazine or clip can hold no more than 10 rounds. My Glock 27 holds 10 rounds. I can carry multiple clips and can change clips in approximately 3-4 seconds. If I were to practice speed changing clips, I could probably get that down to about 2 seconds. The same goes for my Ruger 10-22. The factory clip holds 10 rounds; it can be changed in less than 5 seconds.

    "To a gun enthusiast, what is the purpose for owning these things?
    I honestly have no interest in them myself, so I admittedly don't understand the attraction."

    It's the same attraction that any person has for their hobby. Car collectors, motorcycle collectors, model trains, stamps, coins, etc.

    "Hunting?
    Seems to me that would remove any semblance of "sport" from the sport."

    You generally wouldn't take a 100 round magazine when you go hunting. Although having multiple rounds is a good thing. If you wound an animal when you are hunting you want another round so you can dispatch it quickly so it doesn't suffer.

    "Self protection?
    Does one really need an assault weapon to defend against a home invasion?
    Seems like overkill (pardon the pun)."

    The reason someone wants something shouldn't be questioned as long as it is for legal purposes. That being said the "assault weapon", which is just a media made up term, doesn't really make a good home defense weapon. There is too much chance that a round could go through your house and into a neighbor’s house. IMO, the best home defense weapon is a pump shotgun like the Remington 700 or a Mossberg 500.

    "Protection from tyrannical Government?
    This seems like pure folly considering the firepower available to the Government.
    This didn't work out very well for the well-armed Branch Davidians.
    Seems to me the only way tyrannical governments have been overthrown is when the number of those oppressed reaches a tipping point.

    If you want to overthrow a Government when all you have is a small number of well armed cranky nut jobs seems like you have a minority wanting to impose their will on the rest of us, literally at the point of a gun."

    The original intent of the 2A was exactly that reason. Although I agree that there is little chance of overthrowing the government given their existing hardware.

    "Fun?
    This one I think I could understand more than the others.
    If all you want is the fun of firing a bunch of rounds at a target (assuming it's a non-human target), what's wrong with checking one out at a well regulated facility where these things can be secured against those that would get access to them and wreak havoc?"

    Yes, it is fun. Until you have gone out and shot a box of clay pigeons or several packs of targets you really won't understand the fun of it. If you'd ever like to go and see what fun it is, you, or anyone else, are welcome to come with us sometime.

    Having the weapons stored at some facility is a bad idea. First off the criminals are not going to store their guns there. Second, you are then at the mercy of someone else when you want to "get" your gun. Would the place be staffed and open 24x7x365? That is just a bad deal all the way around.

    "Lastly, would it be unreasonable if we limited the public's right to keep and bear arms to those arms that were available when the second amendment was written?"

    Yes, that would be unreasonable. Technology has advanced in all aspects of our life. We would do much better to address the real problem of keeping weapons out of the hands of the wrong people.

    Posted on January 17, 2013 - 01:06 AM #
  28. Skybill9

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    "Sky said>>>>>
    Are you taking Vitalogy lessons?

    Obviously Sky, your not."

    Thank God.

    Posted on January 17, 2013 - 01:07 AM #
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    Posted on January 17, 2013 - 01:34 AM #
  30. Amus

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    Thanks Slybill.

    That pretty much lines up with where I thought you were.

    I understand the "assault weapon" is pretty much a political term, much the same as "pro-abortion" and "anti-choice".

    But I'm wondering if maybe it might not be a good idea to have such a distinction.

    Semi-automatic covers a lot of ground and it seems that "assault" could well describe some of them.

    I still can't wrap my head around having the need for such large magazines.
    Seems that we could limit the amount of carnage one crazy could do if they have to stop and reload once in a while.
    Maybe one possible place to compromise?
    Or is there no room for any kind of compromise?

    I do try to associate the sport (or hobby) of shooting with something I can relate to.

    But my hobby (Little British Cars) doesn't lend itself to inflicting much damage to anyone but myself, the occasional pedestrian or the poor bloke underneath trying to fix it.

    EDIT:

    You said RE: protection from a tyranical governmet:

    "The original intent of the 2A was exactly that reason. Although I agree that there is little chance of overthrowing the government given their existing hardware."

    One could read that as an idication that the origianl intent of the 2A is an obsolete notion.

    Posted on January 17, 2013 - 01:25 PM #
  31. Andy_brown

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    "Limiting magazine quantity is simply a feel good thing for the politicians to do. Most handguns hold between 7 and 13 rounds depending on the caliber. Let’s say for the sake of argument that they pass a law that says a magazine or clip can hold no more than 10 rounds. My Glock 27 holds 10 rounds. I can carry multiple clips and can change clips in approximately 3-4 seconds. If I were to practice speed changing clips, I could probably get that down to about 2 seconds. The same goes for my Ruger 10-22. The factory clip holds 10 rounds; it can be changed in less than 5 seconds."

    Yeah, the NRA position nearly verbatim. Here's the catch:

    There really isn't any justification for large capacity magazines in the public domain, period. The NRA has seized on the "feel good" argument and the "can change clips quickly" retort because frankly, there is no serious reason to have this kind of capability. It doesn't infringe on any "right" at all. Just because something is manufactured for the military or law enforcement, doesn't mean the public should be able to buy one. People shouldn't be able to buy surplus bazookas, either, if they are presently (I don't really know). They beat back the meth epidemic by making it harder to get pseudoephedrine. They will beat back mass murder by making it more difficult to shoot off 35 bullets or more in continuous succession. Will it eliminate the existence of large capacity clips? No. Will it make it harder to find one? Yes. And that is the whole point.

    I think the NRA will lose on the high capacity magazine issue.

    Automatic/semi-automatic/assault weapon . . . I personally don't care what a rifle looks like. As Bill stated, it isn't easy to get a fully automatic weapon and so it shall remain. Semi automatic weapons only become a problem with the large capacity magazines. Make it harder and more expensive for those to be found, legal or illegal, and it will help deter some of the shootings.

    As much as the NRA thinks it can win on all counts, it won't. The mood of the majority has changed. The biggest thing going for the NRA is past history, but no longer public sentiment. Will there be lots of changes? It all depends on what the people want. Not what the NRA wants.

    Posted on January 17, 2013 - 01:47 PM #
  32. NoParty

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    Why can't the PRO-gun people side with the pro-choice people? They want the same thing....

    Posted on January 17, 2013 - 07:52 PM #
  33. Uncle Mort

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    Because they're assflaming ignorant oh neverrrr mind.

    Posted on January 17, 2013 - 08:00 PM #
  34. Skybill9

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    "There really isn't any justification for large capacity magazines in the public domain, period."

    There really isn't any justification to have a 600HP car either.

    What is the difference if you have a 30 round magazine or 3-10 round magazines that can be changed in 5 seconds or so?

    Again, people are focusing on the wrong thing.

    Let's find out why these crazies are doing what they are doing and work at fixing and preventing that.

    Posted on January 17, 2013 - 08:57 PM #
  35. Vitalogy

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    No. I'd rather limit the availibilty of weapons to the crazies.

    And if you want to carry assault weapons and 10+ round clips, join the military. Sadly, a lot of the guntards wouldn't have the balls to join.

    Posted on January 17, 2013 - 09:06 PM #
  36. Notalent

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    If we still had conscription this wouldn't be a problem.

    Posted on January 17, 2013 - 09:14 PM #
  37. NoParty

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    That ended in 1973 and could be enacted again if we need more troops for another useless war.

    Posted on January 17, 2013 - 10:54 PM #
  38. Skybill9

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    The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed. - Thomas Jefferson

    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/thomas_jefferson_3.html#19MzfjODl6D4gMax.99

    Posted on January 17, 2013 - 11:19 PM #
  39. NoParty

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    What about the people that don't like guns. Are you going to MAKE them arm themselves?

    Posted on January 17, 2013 - 11:22 PM #
  40. Skybill9

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    Whenever a man has cast a longing eye on offices, a rottenness begins in his conduct. - Thomas Jefferson

    Wow, is this ever true.

    Posted on January 17, 2013 - 11:25 PM #
  41. NoParty

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    So you are in favor of making everyone arm themselves?

    Posted on January 17, 2013 - 11:27 PM #
  42. Skybill9

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    If they want to be, that is their RIGHT guaranteed by the constitution.

    Posted on January 17, 2013 - 11:39 PM #
  43. I find it interesting how you're vocal in support of the laws you agree with while simultaneously advocating for flaunting or actively breaking those you do not.

    Posted on January 18, 2013 - 02:43 PM #
  44. missing_kskd

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    Democracy challenged.

    Posted on January 18, 2013 - 05:30 PM #
  45. NoParty

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    So Sky, we should arm everyone? Over 18? 21? Should America be like the Wild West?

    Posted on January 19, 2013 - 12:17 PM #
  46. NoParty

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    I find it interesting how you're vocal in support of the laws you agree with while simultaneously advocating for flaunting or actively breaking those you do not.

    He's a CON. He wants everything and I mean everything his way even if it takes the Government to make it happen. It's the black or white mentality.

    Posted on January 19, 2013 - 12:19 PM #
  47. Mrs.Merkin

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    http://www.examiner.com/article/mother-who-sued-for-right-to-carry-a-gun-at-kid-s-sporting-events-found-murdered?CID=obinsite

    Remember this dumb bitch? That gun finally got used, not at her kid's sporting events, but at home with her kids there.

    Nice.

    Posted on January 19, 2013 - 04:13 PM #
  48. Skybill9

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    "That gun finally got used..."

    Finally? That happened 2 1/2 years ago.

    Posted on January 19, 2013 - 04:18 PM #
  49. Mrs.Merkin

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    Ooops! Sorry. It was new news to me.

    Here, this one is more current, and it's for the VPT if (since) he's (probably) still reading here:

    http://www.examiner.com/article/anti-gay-lawyer-convicted-of-child-pornography-charges

    Posted on January 19, 2013 - 11:23 PM #
  50. Skybill9

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    "The woman was caught videotaping her teenage daughter having sex with two adult men."

    She along with every other person convicted of child porn and child sex abuse should have a BIG red M tattooed on their forehead.

    Hopefully the minimum 25 year sentence she is facing is without any chance of parole. Personally I think she should spend the rest of her life in jail.

    There is NO EXCUSE for child abuse, sexual or otherwise.

    Posted on January 19, 2013 - 11:32 PM #

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