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  1. NoParty

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    Looks like 2 or 3 people are now GONE from the school amid the sexual assault charges on defensive coach Jerry Sandusky.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Curley-Schultz-step-down-amid-Penn-State-sex-abuse-scandal-110611

    Posted on November 6, 2011 - 11:14 PM #
  2. NoParty

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    This might be the end of JoePa.... I guess when this is happening under your nose for so long maybe he should be held accountable???? Should he?

    This guy thinks so...

    http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Jason-Whitlock-Penn-State-sex-scandal-Jerry-Sandusky-blame-Joe-Paterno-Nittany-Lions-110711

    Posted on November 7, 2011 - 12:38 PM #
  3. RadioBuggie

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    Looks like...

    Posted on November 7, 2011 - 12:54 PM #
  4. paulwalker

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    I Predict Paterno will finish the season, then retire. I also predict very little will be said in relation to the scandal, but the writing will obviously be on the wall.

    Posted on November 7, 2011 - 01:39 PM #
  5. Yep,,Paterno is gone soon.

    Its the " old boys network" at work here...I dont think Joe is really at fault here, he did notify the proper internal PSU authorities ( the ones that lost their jobs and are being charged with malfeasance BTW) ...but he is old school and that is all about handling this kind of thing internally, he probably should have called the police, but it was 2nd hand information and it didnt occur as a PSU function although it certainly did occur on PSU property ( in the shower with the 10 year old is what Joe was told about by the PSU Grad Student , and that wasnt the only incident with this coach at PSU from what I understand a Janitor saw this guy doing things to some other over 18 PSU student etc )...anything short of some kid actually getting physically hurt...the old school guys look at things differently...on this kind of thing..and of course we know that doesnt "go" ...anymore... anywhere..

    Posted on November 7, 2011 - 02:06 PM #
  6. Brianl

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    Paterno did the right thing in notifying the powers that be at Penn State the second he caught wind, and yes, he is old-school. That said, it's hard to believe that he didn't know of the improprieties after that, and why the university didn't proceed further, and let this guy on campus in that (or any) capacity for nine years after ... wow.

    Paterno is not being accused or indicted in any way; in fact, he is going to help the prosecutors. I don't know what effect this will have on his legacy, but it cannot be good.

    It's sickening, and at the same time very sad. Joe Paterno has always stood out and up for what is good in college athletics, and helped literally thousands of people become the very best they can over the years.

    Posted on November 7, 2011 - 02:30 PM #
  7. Nebraska plays Penn State Saturday. Maybe this will distract Paterno enough we'll have a tiny chance of winning. That's about the only way it will happen.

    Posted on November 7, 2011 - 03:40 PM #
  8. I think this blog about says it all..and is "spot on" with regard to Joe Paterno ....

    http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/14400754/ns/sports/

    Posted on November 7, 2011 - 03:47 PM #
  9. Brianl

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    Deane - what happened against Northwestern? Owwie ... Penn State is in first in the Big 10 but they haven't played the big guys yet. They haven't played Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin or Nebraska yet, their route has been easy. I wouldn't worry too much.

    Posted on November 7, 2011 - 08:16 PM #
  10. Paterno may be out sooner than we might have thought.

    http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45186257/ns/sports-college_football/

    Posted on November 8, 2011 - 11:18 AM #
  11. dodger

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    Wonder if we might see a name change here:
    http://www.savvysource.com/preschools/or/beaverton/nikejoe-paterno-child-development-center

    Just a thought.

    Posted on November 8, 2011 - 11:37 AM #
  12. Did anybody notice that his autobiography is entitled Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story?
    http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575

    You can't make this stuff up.

    Posted on November 8, 2011 - 11:42 AM #
  13. "Deane - what happened against Northwestern? Owwie ... Penn State is in first in the Big 10 but they haven't played the big guys yet. They haven't played Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin or Nebraska yet, their route has been easy. I wouldn't worry too much."

    Brian, Nebraska is extremely unpredictable. Things seem to just fall apart often times, as they did with Northwestern.

    Maybe we should tell them that if they beat Penn they get a free blow job while they're there.

    Posted on November 8, 2011 - 04:13 PM #
  14. My one first hand encounter with Paterno happened on a commuter flight from SF to Fresno in the mid-1980s. Two seats on the right hand side and one on the left. I'm sure you've seen those little twin engine prop jobs that flew that route.

    Anyway, I'm sitting next to the window and this guy is on the isle and it's crowded as crap. The left hand side it empty. I suggest to this old guy that he move somewhere else so I have more room. He sort of looks at me disgustingly and then says "is over there OK with you". I nodded yes and motioned him away. I didn't know who is was, it was just someone crowding me.

    When we walked off the plane in Fresno I was right behind him and as we walked thru the door and strobes started flashing and the TV cameras all were rolling. The reporters were yelling "Mr. Paterno, Mr. Paterno." It was then I realized who I had thrown out of his seat so I'd have more room.

    Posted on November 8, 2011 - 04:21 PM #
  15. Brianl

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    Well the next two heads rolled, including one Joe Paterno.

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7214380/joe-paterno-president-graham-spanier-penn-state

    As far as Sandusky, if he is found guilty of these absolutely disgusting, heinous acts (and the evidence is pretty damning), he deserves to die. He (allegedly) ruined the lives of countless boys, now young men, and deserves the same.

    Posted on November 9, 2011 - 08:25 PM #
  16. NoParty

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    I would have preferred Paterno to coach the last home game vs. Nebraska, but not to be. Paterno had little impact of this story, but he is the fall-guy, and he should recognize that. Very sad chapter in NCAA football.
    Penn State will recover, but it will most likely take many years.

    Posted on November 9, 2011 - 08:59 PM #
  18. NoParty

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    Many years and when the criminal part of this starts the University is going to be in deep shit.

    Posted on November 9, 2011 - 09:11 PM #
  19. paulwalker

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    Penn State will recover from this. How long it takes is of great debate. A big program usually recovers faster, but we shall see.

    Posted on November 9, 2011 - 09:27 PM #
  20. NoParty

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    Well,it helps that the assholes that let it happen have been fired, arrested and probably will serve a lot of time behind bars. If some were left in place it wouldn't end for a very long time.

    Posted on November 9, 2011 - 10:05 PM #
  21. Vitalogy

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    It's important to note that Paterno did not commit any crimes. However, he had to have known about the issues, and as the top guy, he had to be fired. Honestly, I'm sad for Joe but at the same time, his inaction is disturbing.

    This is sadly similar to the catholic church scandals. Everyone up top knew about it, but in order to protect the brand, people in power looked the other way.

    Posted on November 9, 2011 - 10:25 PM #
  22. Brianl

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    Vit is spot-on. Paterno was informed of possible indiscretions and reported them to Penn State immediately. Where he failed is not following up, and assuming that the university would investigate and take the necessary action.

    The whole thing is sad, it's really disheartening that the winningest coach in D-1 history (with his victory last weekend, his last win), a man who has been the face of everything right with collegiate athletics, a mentor and father to so many for so many years, is out like this. But, all those accolades cannot supercede his error in not making sure that indiscretions did not take place any further, and the ones that did were dealt with.

    Posted on November 9, 2011 - 10:47 PM #
  23. NoParty

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    With holding information about sex with kids under the age of 18 IS A CAPITAL CRIME my friend! Paterno's troubles are just beginning....

    Posted on November 9, 2011 - 10:48 PM #
  24. Old School attitude about this kind of thing...report it up the chain...keep it internal...to the higher ups..pass the buck...keep it in house...especially if it involves a former staff member, Professor Emeritus AND perhaps a personal friend ...Very Old School...

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 09:47 AM #
  25. "With holding information about sex with kids under the age of 18 IS A CAPITAL CRIME my friend! Paterno's troubles are just beginning.... "

    I haven't followed the details all that close, but I believe Paterno did report it to the Athletic Director, but the AD then failed to report it as required. That's why the AD is on the legal burner.

    I doubt Paterno would be required to report it to authorities himself, but rather would only legally need to report it to someone in authority above him, which he apparently did.

    I sincerely doubt if Paterno will see any legal action himself out of this unless there is something we don't know about.

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 10:25 AM #
  26. It's possible we haven't seen nothin yet. Catch this new bombshell.

    http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ycn-10407023

    There may be a lot more ugly to come.

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 10:35 AM #
  27. Brianl

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    "There may be a lot more ugly to come."

    Usually in cases like this, the initial story is just scratching the surface. Many more victims will come out now, and stories like this as well.

    It is sickening. Wow.

    The litigation that comes from this, the lawsuits and money awarded, is going to cripple that university and the state of Pennsylvania. More and more victims are already coming forward.

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 10:45 AM #
  28. Did you read the part about the wealthy donors being involved in this. Think about the ramifications of that, if true. This could touch a lot of lives.

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 10:47 AM #
  29. Brianl

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    Yeah I saw that. I am physically sick over this ... just disgusting.

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 11:06 AM #
  30. paulwalker

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    If these last few posts reflect the truth, I take back what I said earlier. Penn State will NOT recover from this.

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 12:28 PM #
  31. Andy_brown

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    "Penn State will NOT recover "

    Uh, not true. Don't get sucked in by the media hype.
    Those that perpetrated criminal activity will have their day in court.
    Paterno's legacy will not be destroyed, just seen in a more realistic, less fantasy like light.

    Penn State is bigger than Penn State football. Much bigger.
    The academic and athletic programs at Penn State won't suffer that much after
    the smoke clears.

    Penn State is huge. There were over 50,000 in the academic population back
    when I last made the trip to State College from Bethlehem to watch a
    Lehigh - Penn State wrestling match and that was the early 70's.

    Yes, this brings an end to the Paterno bubble of purity, but it's not going to
    be the end of anything.

    Too many of you just get sucked in by the media hype so easily.
    It's pathetic.

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 01:18 PM #
  32. paulwalker

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    What makes you believe my opinion is based on media hype? A top athletic coach "pimping" underage boys for big donars? This is not hype, it is from a source who has had the rest of the story correct. While this has not been proven, if true this will perhaps not bring down Penn State, but it will certainly create a very poor reputation that well could effect the future of the school. That is what is pathetic, IMO.

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 02:51 PM #
  33. It will take more than a decade to clean this up, and longer than that to get it out of people's minds.

    If the part is true that Penn traded keeping it quiet in exchange for Sandusky's resignation, that could play rather poorly legally.

    On the other hand, there is a report that the tough as nails non-political prosecutor at the time had the information but didn't move ahead because it is speculated he didn't have a convictable case. He's the guy who disappeared and has never been found.

    There are so many nuances to this that one could guess the outcome all day long and not be correct.

    I would normally not have all that much interest, but with Nebraska playing Penn Saturday, I have to wonder what effect it will have on the game. I don't usually watch sports on TV, but I think this one might be necessary.

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 03:08 PM #
  34. How is it that the guy who witnessed the rape happening still has his coaching job? And why didn't he intervene?

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 03:43 PM #
  35. "How is it that the guy who witnessed the rape happening still has his coaching job? And why didn't he intervene?"

    Good question. I sort of think Peterno's getting a bit of the shaft in this thing.

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 04:01 PM #
  36. paulwalker

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    This story is getting stranger every minute.

    Now, apparently a district attorney who had an opportunity to try one of the abuse cases, but didn't, died in July. And they don't know where the body is.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45244328/ns/local_news-philadelphia_pa/

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 04:14 PM #
  37. Andy_brown

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    "What makes you believe my opinion is based on media hype?"

    When you make bombastic comments like "Penn State will NOT recover."
    Clearly you have no knowledge of Penn State beyond what you have read on the wires, etc.
    You don't kill off that kind of tradition with a scandal involving a few people criminally.
    Penn State is larger than that.

    Here's a list of some big NCAA football scandals . . . only one school (Southern Methodist) shut down
    their football program for a few seasons. None of these schools nor football programs could be
    classified as "will NOT recover," so tell us exactly what you mean.

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/08/miami-hurricanes-ncaa-scandals-football-history/1

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 04:25 PM #
  38. "Now, apparently a district attorney who had an opportunity to try one of the abuse cases, but didn't, died in July. And they don't know where the body is."

    It was in 2005 he died. They found his laptop in his car with the hard drive missing.

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 04:33 PM #
  39. paulwalker

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    Andy, if you read a number of posts above the post you call "bombastic", you will see I said, "Penn State will recover". The 2nd post was a quick reaction to my earlier post due to a potential new layer to the story, that's all. And I do understand how big Penn State is, even backing off from my statement of "never recover", but that seems to have gone unnoticed by you.

    Deane, I stand corrected on the date of death of the D.A.

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 04:48 PM #
  40. NoParty

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    I haven't followed the details all that close, but I believe Paterno did report it to the Athletic Director, but the AD then failed to report it as required.

    He didn't tell the AD about the sexual act that was seen in the showers. That's withhold information and will be dealt with by the authorities.

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 05:45 PM #
  41. NoParty

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    "Now, apparently a district attorney who had an opportunity to try one of the abuse cases, but didn't, died in July. And they don't know where the body is."

    It was in 2005 he died. They found his laptop in his car with the hard drive missing.

    But from what I heard he also had paperwork about the incidents as well that will be used in the new case.

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 05:47 PM #
  42. outsider

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    He went missing in 2005 and was just recently declared dead. No body has ever been found.

    From the MSN article:

    Ray Gricar’s car was found the next day in a Lewisburg parking lot and his laptop, sans hard drive, was found in the Susquehanna River, according to the Patriot-News.

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 06:46 PM #
  43. This whole thing is a movie in the making.

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 06:51 PM #
  44. outsider

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    My money is it showing on ABC.

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 07:01 PM #
  45. Amus

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    http://tinyurl.com/6tjbgsj

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 08:44 PM #
  46. That's a great piece of investigative journalism on Santorum. To think that he KNEW that Sandusky was a rapist when he gave him that award. It's unbelievable. He did know...right? I mean, that's the point, isn't it? I didn't see the proof in the article, but I'm sure you'll be following up with that...

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 08:49 PM #
  47. NoParty

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    This whole thing is a movie in the making.

    One that I would NEVER watch!

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 09:12 PM #
  48. NoParty

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    That's a great piece of investigative journalism on Santorum. To think that he KNEW that Sandusky was a rapist when he gave him that award. It's unbelievable.

    If this is true Mr. Santorum is in deep shit.

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 09:14 PM #
  49. paulwalker

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    Bottom line, and a pass to the valid graduates of this great University, and those currently attending, but there are serious questions that must be asked about Penn State. I am not making any hard judgements here, but Penn State suddenly must be questioned as a viable university based on these accusations. If they are proven guilt-free, then so be it, and life goes on.

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 09:16 PM #
  50. NoParty

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    I think it was a handful (12) of individuals that kept this under wraps for the sake of the University. All of those individuals should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and should NEVER be able to work around children again.

    EVER!

    Posted on November 10, 2011 - 09:35 PM #

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