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  • Started 2 years ago by Alfredo_T
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  1. Alfredo_T

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    The following stations are silent (feel free to add others to the list). Does anybody know anthing that I don't?

    • KXOR 660 kHz Junction City/Eugene - I have not heard anything recently on the frequency. The FCC lists real estate developer Arlie & Company as the owners and says that the station is not dark. I also see an application for the license to be transferred from Arlie & Co. to Zion Multimedia Oregon Corporation. Perhaps, a Christian radio format will be coming to 660 kHz this year?
    • KXET 1150 kHz Portland - The station went silent after its transmitter site was vandalized last year. This station shows up on the FCC's silent station list.
    • KZME 91.1 MHz Brightwood - This shows up on the FCC's silent station list. Will the transmitter site ever be set up?
    • KRRC 97.9 MHz Portland - The license was given away to Common Frequency. Is there any chance that this will put a new LPFM on the air, or is it curtains for this callsign?
    • KQRZ-LP 101.5 MHz Hillsboro - The license was sold to a Catholic group for $1000. An application has been filed to move the transmitter site. Could they return to the air by this summer?
    Posted on April 19, 2012 - 10:11 AM #
  2. Broadway

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    >>KXOR 660 kHz Junction City/Eugene
    Think the station will go back on soon...sounds like a pretty aggressive
    Spanish group that will run it.

    Posted on April 19, 2012 - 10:42 AM #
  3. Alfredo_T

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    I did some digging around, and I found that Zion Multimedia runs Mexican border blaster Radio Zion 540. It will be Christian radio in Spanish. See http://www.radiozion.net/

    Posted on April 19, 2012 - 12:49 PM #
  4. jr_tech

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    Oh, Oh! It appears as if Pip, the DX cat has snagged motozak3s tongue again... at least he is chewing up *something* on the sofa!

    http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7248/6882346076_451a228d29_z.jpg

    Posted on April 19, 2012 - 12:59 PM #
  5. Alfredo_T

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    Ha ha ha! It looks like he's playing with a piece of paper. I hope that's not the license to KXOR!

    Posted on April 19, 2012 - 01:01 PM #
  6. semoochie

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    My guess is that KRRC will be moved to a new location, somewhere in America. It isn't really an LPFM.

    Posted on April 19, 2012 - 07:55 PM #
  7. Alfredo_T

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    Of course, KRRC is technically a Class-D station. I am not clear on what the rules say about how the license can be modified. If the station were moved out to a more rural area where there were allotments allowing more than 10 Watts ERP, could the facility be ammended for the higher power? What, if any, would be the benefits to a prospective broadcaster in acquiring this license and ammending it, as opposed to applying for a new license?

    Posted on April 19, 2012 - 11:28 PM #
  8. semoochie

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    Class Ds were effectively "grandfathered", in a way, in that they were given a window of opportunity to increase power to at least 100 watts and become fully protected Class A stations or be at the mercy of whatever befalls them. I'm guessing that there's some leeway up to 100 watts because not all stations were limited to ten watts.

    Posted on April 20, 2012 - 12:41 AM #
  9. Several years ago 660 was simulcasting KPAM 860 and I figured they were in trouble then and couldn't afford to originate their own programming.

    Posted on April 20, 2012 - 03:31 AM #
  10. semoochie

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    660 began as a simulcast of KPAM!

    Posted on April 20, 2012 - 08:54 AM #
  11. Alfredo_T

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    The simulcast on 660 kHz lasted for many years, even going back to the late 1990s, when KPAM ran a contemporary Christian format.

    Posted on April 20, 2012 - 09:59 AM #
  12. Alfredo_T

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    As of this morning, 660 kHz is back on the air. When I tuned in, they were playing Christian Ranchera music and a jingle that roughly translated said "Radio Zion, bringing you blessings and the good news of salvation."

    Posted on April 30, 2012 - 10:35 AM #
  13. I noticed that 660 kHz was on the air as of a couple weeks ago. I only found out because I would often listen at night to CFFR from Calgary... not anymore...

    Posted on May 2, 2012 - 08:43 PM #
  14. msndrspdx

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    The Bee (formerly the Sellwood/Moreland Bee) reports that Reed Colege has "given away" the KRRC licence to Common Frequency, Inc., which is listed as being based in Davis, CA. A spokesman for the college is quoted as saying that it's his understanding that CFI plans to move the licence and transmitter to Salem, where there's reputedly more room on the dial for a small station than there is in PDX.

    http://www.thebeenews.com

    Best, M.

    Posted on May 3, 2012 - 07:51 AM #
  15. Broadway

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    >>CFI plans to move the licence and transmitter to Salem
    Don't think that is going to happen...between Eugene and Portland
    Salem does not have any open channels...for many years...accept for some move-ins...

    Posted on May 3, 2012 - 08:48 AM #
  16. semoochie

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    KRRC is a grandfathered Class D. There must be something that wouldn't interfere with someone's 60dbu contour. What about 93.5?

    Posted on May 3, 2012 - 09:41 AM #
  17. Broadway

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    >>What about 93.5?
    Once heard that Eugene's 93.3 would eventually move to 93.5 for
    93.1 to go full power in Portland...probably would have to power down
    for 93.9 KPDQ.

    Posted on May 3, 2012 - 11:01 AM #
  18. "Once heard that Eugene's 93.3 would eventually move to 93.5 for
    93.1 to go full power in Portland...probably would have to power down
    for 93.9 KPDQ. "

    The rules for second and third adjacent inference are the same. So if 93.3 moves to 93.5, it would not be affected by KPDQ.

    Posted on May 3, 2012 - 12:29 PM #
  19. semoochie

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    There will soon be a Class C2 on 93.5 in The Dalles that will affect any plans for that frequency in Eugene.

    Posted on May 3, 2012 - 07:38 PM #
  20. Since The Dalles is about 150 miles away from Eugene, KKNU could easily move to 93.5 (C0) with KACI-FM (C2) on the same channel. However, KKNU couldn't be much more than a C1, with 93.7 KTMT-FM (C) about 135 miles away from Eugene.

    Posted on May 4, 2012 - 12:13 AM #
  21. Alfredo_T

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    I have been trying to pull in KTNN on 660 kHz at night, but I hear a surprisingly strong signal from the new Radio Zion. Are they powering down?

    Posted on May 10, 2012 - 11:40 PM #
  22. jr_tech

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    No signal change noted tonight at 8:30...still S-9 at almost 9:00 (same as they were at noon)...It appears that they are not dropping to night power (75 watts), but likely still at 10 KW.

    Posted on May 11, 2012 - 09:02 PM #
  23. Alfredo_T

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    KXET 1150 returned to the air today, but with a very weak signal.

    Posted on June 4, 2012 - 07:50 PM #
  24. Alfredo_T

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    This morning, I noted that from my location in Hillsboro, KQRR (1130kHz) is much stronger than KXET. I have not yet had time to measure how many dB difference there is between the two, but it would not surprise me if it were something on the order of 20 dB! Can anybody else hear KXET? I wonder how much power they are transmitting.

    Posted on June 5, 2012 - 11:48 AM #
  25. jr_tech

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    I was just about to post a signal reading on KXET... I get only about S-8 with the Icom connected to a 100 foot "longwire"... just checked 1130, it is 20dB over S-9!

    Posted on June 5, 2012 - 12:04 PM #
  26. Alfredo_T

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    KXET is difficult to hear on "normal" portable radios. It is strong enough to stop scan on the stock radio in a Honda Fit. The reception is decent with a large-diameter amplified loop if I null out KQRR. I have the loop antenna in my house temporarily, but fortunately, the electrical noise level this morning was very, very low! (I was impressed.)

    Posted on June 5, 2012 - 12:10 PM #
  27. Ah - I remember those days of simulcasting with Eugene from KPAM.

    Posted on June 5, 2012 - 01:54 PM #
  28. Broadway

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    >>simulcasting with Eugene from KPAM.
    Me to at the KZTU end...actually was a positive experience working
    for Pamplin and 660 AM is still religious...

    Posted on June 5, 2012 - 03:51 PM #
  29. semoochie

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    Is it possible that KXET is running the 50 watt transmitter? It might not have been damaged.

    Posted on June 5, 2012 - 08:54 PM #
  30. Alfredo_T

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    That's what I am thinking-we are hearing the night signal. Today, I had to drive from Hillsboro to the PCC Sylvania campus. Interestingly, KXET seems to get a stronger signal to Hillsboro, even though Hillsboro is slightly farther away.

    Posted on June 6, 2012 - 12:05 AM #
  31. Alfredo_T

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    I took some quick readings from my location in Hillsboro, using a loop antenna tuned and pointed for maximum signal (KEX=0dB reference):

    • 1080 ... 0dB
    • 1130 ... -3.4dB
    • 1150 ... -28.5dB
    • 1190 ... 0dB

    A transmitter power on the order of 50 Watts sounds about right. Using the above numbers, I calculated that if KEX were to run 71 Watts into its antenna system, its signal strength would be the same as KXET.

    Posted on June 6, 2012 - 09:45 AM #
  32. semoochie

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    Hillsboro might be far enough away from KEX, for KXET not to be sucked out by the former. It's a 50 watt transmitter but doesn't have to run that much. If they're on at night, they'd have to drop back to ten watts, since it's now nondirectional.

    Posted on June 6, 2012 - 11:21 AM #
  33. Alfredo_T

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    I was left wondering whether they are running their 50 Watt transmitter at full output or if they have it throttled back to 10 W. If what jr_tech and I are hearing is a 10 W signal, then I am impressed!

    Posted on June 6, 2012 - 11:30 AM #
  34. jr_tech

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    I made an error yesterday... I tuned from my KEX preset which has a 10dB attenuator activated.
    The real Icom readings off of my "longwire" antenna are:

    1150 3dB over S-9
    1130 30dB over S-9
    1190 37dB over S-9

    (ignoring modulation peaks)
    Note that the S meter on the Icom (under the Dx cat's right paw) is quite small, low resolution.

    I can easily hear the station (outside the house-Hillsboro area) with better portable radios such as the Eaton E-5, Kaito 2100... even the tiny Sangean DT-200.

    I suspect that 50 Watt transmitter is being used at "full power" during the day.

    Posted on June 6, 2012 - 12:02 PM #
  35. KXET 1150 was just granted a STA to run at 100 watts daytime reduced power. The application sites "...in order to maintain the license and develope a plan to return to full power." Translation: maintain the license while you try to find a buyer.

    Posted on June 8, 2012 - 07:26 AM #
  36. Alfredo_T

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    I think that your interpretation of the STA is correct. If 1150 were sold, I wonder which Bustos AM signal would carry the Exitos 93.5 format? Would it be 1230? Or would the translator be sold along with KXET?

    Posted on June 8, 2012 - 10:07 AM #
  37. jr_tech

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    On the other hand, if the main purpose of the 1150 signal is just to "feed" (on paper at least) the 93.5 translator, one might ask "how long can they keep doing this on the cheap with the 100 watt STA?"

    Posted on June 8, 2012 - 11:46 AM #
  38. Andy_brown

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    They can keep renewing the STA every six months, but their application clearly states they need to submit a plan to restore full service. With no objections from the public, they could probably run a long time that way.

    750 AM ran on STA's for a long time when they were 50kW daytime only if memory serves.

    Posted on June 8, 2012 - 01:22 PM #
  39. semoochie

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    Perhaps they bought a 100 watt transmitter and that's what they've been running.

    Posted on June 8, 2012 - 07:40 PM #
  40. Borrowed / Leased. 1150 transmitter will be off the air as soon as their Legal STA is approved. Their app sites "bad hood" not "bad security"

    Posted on June 8, 2012 - 09:09 PM #
  41. semoochie

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    Why did KXL require a series of STAs?

    Posted on June 8, 2012 - 11:42 PM #
  42. Andy_brown

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    I don't recall exactly, but Larry Wilson (the engineer Larry Wilson) who was CE at KXL for a long time explained it to me back in the 80's. If you recall, KXL was a four tower square array located on the land that now is Clackamas Town Center. Not to digress, but there was a handsome stone farmhouse on the tract adjacent to the four towers where their studios and offices were (boy I'm dating myself). If memory serves, at least the tidbits I remember about that conversation, the STA had something to do with operating daytime only on that frequency which was supposed to be a regional 24/7. Getting on at night was stifled by, again I'm really searching B-RAM that hasn't been accessed since then, another station that either needed to move frequency or location. The best way to dig up the definitive reasons is to ask Larry. The only part I am sure of is that they did operate under an STA for a long time.

    Posted on June 9, 2012 - 12:11 PM #
  43. semoochie

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    KXL was a "limited time" station, protecting WSB Atlanta. It only looks like a daytimer because it's on the west coast, protecting a station on the east coast. If it were the other way around, sign off, in the dead of winter, would be around 7:30PM, instead of 4:30. This is the same reason that they were able to sign on year round with 50KW. Many years ago, WSB would sign off for the night and KXL returned to broadcast additional hours.

    Posted on June 9, 2012 - 01:34 PM #
  44. big89

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    KXET was sold to Bustos in 2003 from Bill Sizemore for, get this, $1,250,000.00! I wonder what it would bring in today's market. Any educated guesses?

    Posted on June 9, 2012 - 04:30 PM #
  45. Andy_brown

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    Whatever the land is worth. Not a penny more.

    Posted on June 9, 2012 - 04:55 PM #
  46. Andy_brown

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    Before they came on at night with 1k they had PSA.

    Posted on June 9, 2012 - 05:32 PM #
  47. Bustos doesn't own the land and no long term lease. So what's a 5kw dead stick licensed to PDX worth? Land lease is around $3k per month.

    Posted on June 9, 2012 - 09:09 PM #
  48. Alfredo_T

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    KXET 1150 is silent once again. I have no clue why they it has vanished from the dial for a second time. Is a 5kW transmitter being installed? Was it on the air for some minimum period of time required to keep the license active? Was the facility vandalized again?

    Posted on June 25, 2012 - 03:37 PM #
  49. Alfredo_T

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    1150 transmitter will be off the air as soon as their Legal STA is approved.

    I guess that time has come...

    Posted on June 25, 2012 - 06:23 PM #
  50. Not on the list, 95.1 has been a carrier with no audio for several days. Haven't checked this evening as my Sony HD tuner is still sitting disconnected after a weekend in Portland.

    Posted on June 27, 2012 - 12:20 AM #

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