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1. Deane Johnson
   

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   We know from experience that Obama doesn't do what he says he'll do. This week he was at it again.

   "“I’m going to keep doing everything I can to help you save money on gas, both right now and in the future,” Obama said. “I hope politicians from both sides of the aisle join me.”

   http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/03/10/president-obama-strikes-back-at-gop-critics-on-gas-prices/

   Lets' see now:

   No off-shore drilling
   No drilling in Anwar
   No Keystone pipeline even though the states it goes through want it.

   I don't believe I've heard any campaign from him to encourage building more refineries in the U.S. May have missed that one, but I don't recall any.

   I don't believe I've heard any campaign from him to encourage Congress to place an export tax on gasoline to encourage it to remain in the U.S.

   I don't believe I've heard of any campaign from him to curb the crude oil speculators.

   So, to Obama, the word "everything" doesn't quite mean "everything" does it.

   Posted on March 11, 2012 - 11:25 AM #
2. duxrule
   

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   Jesus Christ. Do we have to go through this AGAIN?

   Posted on March 11, 2012 - 11:28 AM #
3. Andrew
   

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   Deane: No off-shore drilling

   Deane, are you just an idiot, or do you think the rest of us are too stupid to know when you are talking out of your ass?

   http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/science/earth/31energy.html

   The Obama administration is proposing to open vast expanses of water along the Atlantic coastline, the eastern Gulf of Mexico and the north coast of Alaska to oil and natural gas drilling, much of it for the first time, officials said Tuesday.

   http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/35223.html

   President Barack Obama launched an ambitious plan on Wednesday to lift a decades-long moratorium on offshore oil drilling along the East Coast from Delaware to Florida, in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska.

   “This is not a decision that I’ve made lightly,” he said in remarks at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland. “But the bottom line is this: given our energy needs, in order to sustain economic growth and produce jobs and keep our businesses competitive, we are going to need to harness traditional sources of fuel, even as we ramp up production of new sources of renewable, homegrown energy.”

   Posted on March 11, 2012 - 11:29 AM #
4. Deane Johnson
   

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   >>>"Jesus Christ. Do we have to go through this AGAIN?"<<<

   Apparently. BTW, I'm just plain Deane. I don't even resemble the real Jesus so it's clearly a case of mistaken identity.

   Posted on March 11, 2012 - 11:34 AM #
5. Deane Johnson
   

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   Andrew, why did he shut it down in the first place? Oh, I know, there's an election coming up, time to change our tune.

   Wow, I dared point out a shortcoming of Obama and you radical lefties go ballistic. What sport it is.

   Posted on March 11, 2012 - 11:35 AM #
6. duxrule
   

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   "why did he shut it down in the first place?"

   Oh, gee, I dunno...Do you think this might have had anything to do with it?

   NOAA Deepwater Horizon/BP Oil Spill Archive
   http://response.restoration.noaa.gov/deepwaterhorizon

   Posted on March 11, 2012 - 11:38 AM #
7. Deane Johnson
   

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   duxrule, he just blows in the wind. What does the BP spill have to do with other drillers?

   When an airliner crashes, do we shut down the airlines? When an 18-wheeler wipes out a family on the freeway, do we take the 18 wheelers off the road?

   We've got an amateur over-reactionary in the White House who doesn't think through his actions because he doesn't have the experience to apply the right thought processes.

   Posted on March 11, 2012 - 11:43 AM #
8. duxrule
   

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   "When an airliner crashes, do we shut down the airlines? When an 18-wheeler wipes out a family on the freeway, do we take the 18 wheelers off the road?"

   In certain cases, yes. When there is a fundamental flaw in how those machines are designed or being operated, those machines are shut down until they can be repaired or made to be safe. History is replete with examples.

   Posted on March 11, 2012 - 11:50 AM #
9. Deane Johnson
   

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   duxrule, your "bit of a stretch" example would indicate if a component failed in the BP operation, those components would be examined for malfunction. It wouldn't mean shutting down an industry. Airlines aren't shut down, like airliners or like components are simply inspected and modified if necessary.

   Posted on March 11, 2012 - 11:54 AM #
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    The DH disaster turned up a pattern of corner-cutting, improper installation and improper operation of equipment used through the industry. How do you propose finding out if other examples existed, since it seemed that this was SOP in these type of facilities?

    Posted on March 11, 2012 - 11:58 AM #
11. Deane Johnson
    

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    I wonder if it might be possible to do some inspections rather than shut down future exploration.

    I think you will find that the reason was to appease the tree huggers. Now, with an election coming up and gas prices starting to appear they could derail his re-election, it's screw the tree huggers time. I could have suggested that would have been a good approach in the first place.

    Posted on March 11, 2012 - 12:02 PM #
12. duxrule
    

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    Those processes were in motion long before the campaign season got under way (though one has to ask, when does the campaign season ever end anymore?).

    Posted on March 11, 2012 - 12:04 PM #
13. Deane Johnson
    

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    When is it, in your mind, that the campaign season started?

    Posted on March 11, 2012 - 12:05 PM #
14. duxrule
    

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    The day after election day, 2008.

    Posted on March 11, 2012 - 12:09 PM #
15. missing_kskd
    

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    Nobody has demonstrated additional supply will benefit the American people.

    Posted on March 11, 2012 - 12:29 PM #
16. Deane Johnson
    

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    Nobody has demonstrated that it won't, either.

    So, to your way of thinking, the more money we send over the the Arabs, the better. Is that correct?

    Posted on March 11, 2012 - 12:35 PM #
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    Deane: Andrew, why did he shut it down in the first place? Oh, I know, there's an election coming up, time to change our tune.

    There was an election coming up in March, 2010?

    Wow, I dared point out a shortcoming of Obama and you radical lefties go ballistic. What sport it is.

    Not a shortcoming: a LIE. You simply made something up.

    Posted on March 11, 2012 - 12:42 PM #
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    http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/story/2011-12-16/us-oil-boom/52053236/1

    I know it's hard to ignore "drill baby drill", but the current energy distribution arrangements insure that our price is not connected to our production.

    Frankly, in return for that "favor", we should just remove the tax subsidy. It's not like they need it to make the money they do, and we could put those dollars into energy research, further solidifying policy that does benefit us over the longer term as oil continues to be a finite, non-renewable resource.

    Meanwhile, here's another clear take on why drilling won't improve the situation at the pump:

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/story/2011-12-16/us-oil-boom/52053236/1

    There are many more. It's not hard to demonstrate that drilling WON'T help us much, unless we continue to believe in "trickle down"...

    Posted on March 11, 2012 - 12:43 PM #
19. skeptical
    

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    Deane: Airlines aren't shut down, like airliners or like components are simply inspected and modified if necessary.

    There has been a number of airliners grounded over the years that resulted in a partial or full shutdown of some airlines.

    Here's one example -- all DC-10s were grounded following a crash (as a result of a part failure) while investigators did inspections and eventually required modification of a component.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191

    Posted on March 11, 2012 - 12:51 PM #
20. Deane Johnson
    

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    So, DC-10's were grounded until they figured out how to eliminate the problem. Re-read the sentence you quoted. "Like airliners are simply inspected and modified if necessary". That's what happened with the DC-10.

    Of course they frequently ground specific planes until they get it done.

    We're back to playing word games again and that's when I stop responding.

    Posted on March 11, 2012 - 12:58 PM #
21. skeptical
    

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    Deepwater Horizon was akin to the DC-8 crash in PDX. There were design flaws and human stupidity involved. Before we consider the expansion of drilling, we need to make the latter fool proof. Not an easy task when major proponents of drilling are also among the most stupidest citizens of the United States.

    Go buy a diesel Jetta to tide you over for the time being.

    Posted on March 11, 2012 - 01:08 PM #
22. NoParty
    

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    BTW, I'm just plain Deane. I don't even resemble the real Jesus so it's clearly a case of mistaken identity.

    NO SHIT!

    Posted on March 11, 2012 - 01:20 PM #
23. NoParty
    

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    We're back to playing word games again and that's when I stop responding.

    But yet YOU expect us to respond to you when you do it? WOW! Just like a CONer.....

    Posted on March 11, 2012 - 01:21 PM #
24. PianoMan
    

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    An honest discussion of gas prices has to include the role of illegal speculation, which the Obama administration is complicit in allowing:

    http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=7fb6728b-29a4-46a6-8a8f-a5655818caa6

    I don't see any Republican signatures on the letter urging regulators to rein it in. (Maybe there are one or two that I overlooked.) It seems to me that if conservatives valued results over ideology, they would hammer Obama on this point relentlessly. But of course they don't, and they won't. It's so much more fun to just keep chanting "drill baby drill."

    Posted on March 11, 2012 - 01:23 PM #
25. missing_kskd
    

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    This is an issue with the Dems in general. We've got way too many economic regressives in the party, and Obama is moderate at best.

    Would love to change that. Maybe this election we can change a few out, or bring in some new blood to improve that part of things.

    Given how far we went down this road since Reagan, this is no surprise. Was a hell of an investment on the part of regressives. Managing it is the task right now, and undoing it in favor of something better is the task going forward, IMHO.

    Posted on March 11, 2012 - 01:41 PM #
26. edust1958
    

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    Wait a minute... is Deane, a proclaimed conservative, calling for government intervention in the market????

    Posted on March 11, 2012 - 04:25 PM #
27. duxrule
    

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    "So, DC-10's were grounded until they figured out how to eliminate the problem. Re-read the sentence you quoted. "Like airliners are simply inspected and modified if necessary". That's what happened with the DC-10.

    Of course they frequently ground specific planes until they get it done."

    So, we have a problem with specific equipment in a specific segment of the industry, shut down because of design flaw, engineering issue or some sort of other problem. What's the difference between this and shutting down deepwater drilling? It's not like the entire petroleum industry was shut down. Wells still pumped, pipelines still flowed, refineries still operated and gas still went into cars. In fact, at the risk of playing "word games" again, it's an EXACT parallel, shutting down a problematic segment of the industry until it's proven to be safe.

    Posted on March 11, 2012 - 04:30 PM #

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