First he hides torture pictures, now he won't let us know who visits him and he won't fight the ban on gays in the military.
He is breaking more promises every day.
Little Bush is starting to look better.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 11:40 AM
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Sooner or later even the Obama disciples will discover they didn't get what they though they were getting.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 11:57 AM # -
Whatever Obama gives us, you can count on it being heads and shoulders better than what McCain would have given us.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 12:28 PM # -
"Little Bush is starting to look better"
You must be takin' some serious drugs to hallucinate shit like that!
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 12:35 PM # -
How soon the neocons forget the disaster that ensued after Bush was anointed by the Supremes to his first reign.
In his first eight months Lil Bush set the parameters for what became to be his trademark attempt to allow his personal religious beliefs to affect his governance. In less than a year, he laid the foundation for killing stem cell research, screwing up our relations internationally, screwing up the tax revenues we needed badly, causing the impending recession to morph into a jobless recovery including losing millions of jobs to overseas operations given tax incentives to do such. The list is not endless but quite long and that's all before 9/11.Jumping on Obama, considering the unfathomable mess handed him by Bush-Cheney-Rove, is laughable.
You righties are in such a minority now, you're lucky to put together a sentence or two that has any real world relevance any more.Posted on June 16, 2009 - 12:43 PM # -
Well, Sherlock Holmes was a habitual cocaine user, which he injected in a 7 percent solution, often using a special syringe that he kept in a leather case. Holmes was also an occasional user of morphine. FYI
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 01:09 PM # -
This is the phrase that pays on this topic, and all that matters, credit Vitalogy:
"Whatever Obama gives us, you can count on it being heads and shoulders better than what McCain would have given us."
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 01:09 PM # -
Warner, you don't know that.
So far Obama has been all talk and no action. His shoving the so called stimulus bill through has accomplished exactly nothing. It has done nothing for the economy, it hasn't created any jobs. It has only thrown out money we don't have.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 02:13 PM # -
"Whatever Obama gives us, you can count on it being heads and shoulders better than what McCain would have given us."
Absolutely, McCain is an angry man and a warmonger.
This approach has pitted two senior Republicans on opposite sides in the Iran debate. Arizona Sen. John McCain said today that Obama's approach on the Iran elections is not tough enough.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2009/06/iran-obama-and-mccain-square-off-on-iran.htmlPosted on June 16, 2009 - 02:51 PM # -
"Whatever Obama gives us, you can count on it being heads and shoulders better than what McCain would have given us. "
You don't know that. You can only guess and state an opinion based on whatever you want. The truth is that we won't know. Any statement to the contrary is an opinion, not a fact because it can't/won't be tested.I am open to any discussions on either side.
So far, I have noticed that we are losing more freedoms lately than we really did during the Bush Administration, which I was not fond of, either.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 02:52 PM # -
There is little value at this point in demonizing McCain or Bush. Obama is the President and he got elected making certain promises. Many of us believed he was feeding us a line to get elected, and now it appears it's at least that bad.
If anyone can figure out how we're going to survive on the zillions of dollars in debt Obama is running up, you may be smarter than the average bear.
Spending is only one of the major issues. Wait until you figure out where your freedoms are going.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 02:58 PM # -
I for one am getting exactly what I expected from Obama - and I'm sure that greatly annoys Deane. I never thought the guy was the Messiah - in fact, many of us didn't, only Republicans like Deane creating that Strawman, so they could say, "See I told you so!" later.
I've been quite aware that the President can't get anything he wants. Look at how effective George W. Bush was in 2005 with a Republican Congress when he won re-election and had "political capital." His big push was Social Security privatization and it went exactly nowhere.
Obama is a pragmatist who has to move cautiously and exploit political opportunities when they open up. I know it's fashionable to believe that great presidents like Lincoln and FDR simply took bold action whenever they felt like it, but if you read their histories, you'll find they tread extremely cautiously and infuriated their supporters while they were in office with their inaction. Lincoln for one was extremely astute at waiting for the right political moment to take a stand or an action, often delaying for years what his supporters had been clamoring for all that time.
I'm actually much more disappointed with the Democratic Congress - particularly the Senate. I've never been a big fan of Harry Reid and now I definitely think he should go. Let's get a Senate leader in there who isn't afraid to take on the minority opposition and realize he has FIFTY-NINE VOTES. Obama can't pass legislation and he's no longer in the Senate, so he can no longer introduce it, either.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 03:24 PM # -
President Obama was left with the position of cleaning up more messes than any other president in modern history. From the crisis in the financial services sector, high unemployment, to the dual wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the near collapse of GM and Chrysler (and its systemic impact on the broader economy), not to mention the huge mess left behind at Guantanamo Bay and the whole torture issue -- and its implications on how we dispose of all the prisoners left at Guantanamo. It’s a bloody f*cking mess. The work involved in cleaning up these many messes will take years, NOT a single news cycle. That doesn’t even include health care reform and getting his first Supreme Court nominee confirmed.
Realize that if McCain had been elected president, a simple tax cut would have been the solution to everything.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 03:27 PM # -
Notice how nobody wants to address the issues. It's all Deane is a Conservative, therefore an idiot, George Bush created the mess, etc. Any minute now Skep and Trixter will jump in with their simple minded "troll" accusations.
Meantime, Obama is moving right along racking up debt that makes Bush look like the biggest tightwad ever. Let's not talk about that, right. Or, how about throwing Israel under the bus.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 03:44 PM # -
The issues were all there when Obama took office. We've addressed them copiously. You've ignored every decent response for months. All you want to do is whine, which is why you are indeed labeled a troll.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 03:50 PM # -
Deane:
Obama is moving right along racking up debt that makes Bush look like the biggest tightwad ever.
Er, guess WHY he has had to do that, Einstein? I'm sure you believe he loves deficits because he's just one of them tax-and-spend Democrats. But as others have painstakingly tried to get through your thick skull, Obama was left with a huge host of problems that unfortunately require the spending of a s**tload of money to prevent ruin. You may wish to ask a more informed person which president was in office in 2008 to get this huge ball rolling with the AIG bailouts and the $700B TARP, etc.
You may also dislike the huge deficits caused by the Iraq and Afghanistan military actions and occupations, Deane, but at least Obama is being HONEST about them now; Bush played an accounting trick to make the deficit look much smaller than it really was by not counting the funding for Iraq/Afghanistan as part of the federal budget. I'm sure you blame Obama for that, too.
As for reforming health care: the fact that the Congress and the President have waited this long to reform the system - should have been done decades ago - means it's going to cost US taxpayers a whole lot more money to do now than it would have earlier. Maybe you've heard of the saying "penny wise, pound foolish?" The system of private health care with its huge problems is now so entrenched that it's going to cost a whole lot more to fix it now than earlier. So...that explains a lot more of the money we're going to have to borrow to pay for this.
Quite honestly, Bush and the Congress put off way too many things for too long that the US has needed to pay for - but that would have required raising t-t-t-AXES(!) and/or cutting some other spending like the Pentagon's, and you can be damned sure that wasn't going to happen. The bill for foolish past policies has finally come due, and you want to blame the guy who is trying to FIX it? LOL!!!!!!
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 03:55 PM # -
Kool-Aid, Kool-Aid, let's all have some Kool-Aid.
Andrew, you're only seeing out of Obama what you want to. I'm willing to wait and see what develops.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 04:15 PM # -
Kool-Aid, Kool-Aid, let's all have some Kool-Aid.
Andrew, you're only seeing out of Obama what you want to. I'm willing to wait and see what develops.
My exact words during 12 years of Republican rule.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 04:18 PM # -
"My exact words during 12 years of Republican rule."
I think it was only 8 years, but who is counting.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 04:26 PM # -
Deane:
Andrew, you're only seeing out of Obama what you want to.
And you aren't???? LOL!! I always love your "holier-than-thou" attitude here, Deane!
I think it was only 8 years, but who is counting.
Probably someone subtracting 2006 - 1994 would get 12 years (minus part of a Senate term when Democrats briefly controlled the Senate thanks to Jim Jeffords).
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 04:34 PM # -
I think it was only 8 years, but who is counting.
My bad. It seemed longer.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 04:37 PM # -
I love it Deane. You say he's all talk and no action, yet you criticize every action he's taken.
Can't have it both ways.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 05:02 PM # -
Warner, perhaps I should have said "no productive action".
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 05:07 PM # -
In the wonderful world of conservative versus liberal, "productive" is in the eyes of the beholder.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 05:10 PM # -
PDX, could we have a couple of examples of "productive" in your eyes? Just simple one liners.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 05:14 PM # -
"Productive" Something George Bush wasn't.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 05:16 PM # -
Andy, do you also read yesterday's newspaper regularly.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 05:18 PM # -
Deane, do you read the whole newspaper, or just the right wing editorials?
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 05:25 PM # -
I don't read editorials. I don't need someone else's opinion.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 05:29 PM # -
PDX, could we have a couple of examples of "productive" in your eyes? Just simple one liners.
Why bother, you'd shoot down everything I say no matter what it is, hence it's in the eyes of the beholder.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 05:33 PM # -
I don't need someone else's opinion.
Then why do you quote Rush?
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 05:35 PM # -
"Why bother, you'd shoot down everything I say, hence it's in the eyes of the beholder."
As I thought.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 05:35 PM # -
Oh please. You have never come in here to have a productive discussion. If it’s right, it’s right and if it’s left, it’s wrong, that’s the Deane_johnson way. So you don’t like my one liners? You aren’t worth much more than that, because you want everyone here to read what you have to say and agree. Your idea of a discussion, you have a right to your opinion as long as it’s mine. Have it your own way, I have better things to do with my time than to argue all night with another conservative know-it-all.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 05:47 PM # -
Deane, no troll comments from here. I understand you're frustrated. Bush hosed us so badly that your vision for America got trampled by the Obama tide. You're angry that there are no rational leaders speaking for your side and you're taking it out on Obama.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 06:05 PM # -
Thanks for clarifying Deane. That's better.
Now if you could tell us what would be productive, that would be even better.
Just one positive suggestion. I'm actually curious.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 06:58 PM # -
I take a brief leave and come back to this mess?
Good grief!
OF COURSE OBAMA IS GIVING US BETTER THAN McCAIN WOULD HAVE. Think otherwise?
Support it. And that's gonna be a very heavy burden. Good luck.
I'm gonna tag all of these as the FEARMONGERING they are. When you've thought things through past, "Oohh Obama is [insert something]" then you will have considered the matter well enough to actually post up something of value.
Until then, suck it.
REPUBLICANS left the state of the nation in very seriously poor form. Right now, we are dealing with the worst of the worst and that means Obama has a full plate. VERY FULL.
Did anyone stop to consider that he is prioritizing and managing what gets out and why so that the primary agenda he promised us gets the attention it needs? Yeah, thought so.
I'm not happy with a few civil rights kinds of actions, but then again I'm very happy with the state of progress on much needed populist legislation. We have a minimum of 4 years, and the most potent time is right now.
That means managing things so that we don't squander that time. Notice how the GOP is all about delay this, no to that? This is why.
Someday, REPUBLICANS will sort out their internal issues. I'm extremely curious to see what becomes of the 23 percenters. Hell, I'm 40 / 60 for a party split of some kind. Those people won't ever give and Bush gave them a taste of mainstream legimitecy. They won't go away to their dark, foul holes easily.
However that goes, the GOP will eventually focus and then we will see some clear options being presented. You know, solutions? Yeah, those things that we are supposed to debate over.
Non-solution, negative, obstructionist, FEARMONGERING does nobody any good and the President and pretty much 2/3ds of the nation knows it. The only reason they do it is they are scared shitless actual, progressive solutions will get legislated, work and leave them looking totally like the asses they are. They deserve it too, mostly for giving way too much credence to the 23 percenters. Should call them REGRESSIVES, not PROGRESSIVES.
And that's all I have to say. This whole thread is not worth any further consideration.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 08:37 PM # -
" First he hides torture pictures, now he won't let us know who visits him and he won't fight the ban on gays in the military."
Wait. So you would call him a success if he releases pictures?
What about if there comes a time when gays can serve openly?
Success then?
Simple question.
Posted on June 16, 2009 - 08:44 PM #
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