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Obama guts the military!

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  • Started 8 months ago by Deane Johnson
  • Latest reply from NoParty

  1. Obama, in his continuing quest to downgrade the U.S. as a world power, is proposing to shrink the military to it's weakest level since before WWII.

    Posted on February 24, 2014 - 02:09 PM #
  2. Vitalogy

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    This is what cutting spending looks like. Republicans should be cheering.

    Posted on February 24, 2014 - 02:10 PM #
  3. Andrew

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    OMG, Obama *hates* America!

    You know when he sent that Seal team into Pakistan in 2011 to get Bin Laden Obama was trying to surrender to al Qaeda, right? They killed him by accident!!!

    Posted on February 24, 2014 - 02:14 PM #
  4. The Master of Disaster notes the irony of criticizing US Government spending on the US Government-created Internet.

    Posted on February 24, 2014 - 02:30 PM #
  5. duxrule

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    I notice that piece doesn't include any of the quotes from the Pentagon or the Joint Chiefs:

    "Navy Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary, said Monday that Hagel consulted closely with the military service chiefs on how to balance defense and budget-saving requirements. "He has worked hard with the services to ensure that we continue to stand for the defense of our national interests -- that whatever budget priorities we establish, we do so in keeping with our defense strategy and with a strong commitment to the men and women in uniform and to their families, Kirby said.

    "But he has also said that we have to face the realities of our time. We must be pragmatic. We can't escape tough choices. He and the chiefs are willing to make those choices," Kirby said.

    The New York Times first reported on the proposed cuts. The changes reportedly would leave the military capable of waging war, but unable to carry out protracted occupations of foreign territory, as in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Officials told the Times that Hagel's plan has been endorsed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. It calls for the Navy to maintain all 11 of its aircraft carriers currently in operation. However, the budget proposal mandates the elimination of the entire fleet of Air Force A-10 attack aircraft, as well as the retiring of the U-2 spy plane, a stalwart of Cold War operations."

    Posted on February 24, 2014 - 03:12 PM #
  6. Andy_brown

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    Don't confuse Deane with facts.

    Posted on February 24, 2014 - 03:27 PM #
  7. Andrew

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    Gee, we pulled out of Iraq and now we're pulling out of Afghanistan. But let's NOT cut the military - ? We did the same thing after the Cold War ended - in a process initiated by Dick Cheney (who has said he doesn't care about budget deficits, so it was probably against his will, insisted upon by George H. W. Bush). Naturally, conservatives jumped all over Bill Clinton later, blaming him for Dick Cheney's base closures. Then again, these are the same people who think Barack Obama should be blamed for the government's slow response to flooding in New Orleans after Katrina in 2005...

    Posted on February 24, 2014 - 03:28 PM #
  8. You do know that Congress is also responsible for cutting the military.

    I was in the Army when the Cold War ended and the first gulf war happened. Two years after Clinton became President. A Republican held and controlled Congress told Clinton that the Cold War was over and it was time to cut and shrink the US armed forces.

    So when cut backs hit the military. Don't just go and blame the Democrats. Also blame the Republicans. Politicians love the military if the camera is on them or the have a military base in their district. But all through out the history of man kind. Politicians will always throw soldiers away to make themselves look better. It's something that soldiers have grown to accept.

    Posted on February 24, 2014 - 03:33 PM #
  9. This doesn't weaken the military, as I believe Deane is assuming. It makes it leaner. And we still outspend most countries combined on military as it is.

    Posted on February 24, 2014 - 03:49 PM #
  10. The less time the Pentagon has to spend dealing with non-essential weapons programs, congressionally-favored bases etc. and the more time focused on dealing with actual threats to our nation the better.

    Posted on February 24, 2014 - 03:59 PM #
  11. Amus

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    Deane doesn't give a shot what happens with the military.
    He just wants to bitch about the ni&&er in the Whitehouse.

    Posted on February 24, 2014 - 04:00 PM #
  12. Vitalogy

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    Exactly. +1 Amus.

    The military is the biggest, most bloated government entity that exists. Even more so than those evil public schools.

    I say cut the whole thing by 25%. So much fat to cut it's not even funny.

    Posted on February 24, 2014 - 07:23 PM #
  13. I believe cutting military spending was one of the many reasons why Clinton's presidency gave us a surplus.

    Posted on February 24, 2014 - 08:01 PM #
  14. duxrule

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    And watch what will happen AGAIN. There won't be any substantive cuts, as Congressional members finally rise off their corpulent behinds to defend the bases and the defense projects in their home districts.

    Posted on February 24, 2014 - 10:03 PM #
  15. Progressive economist Paul Krugman must be opposed to these cuts. Unless he fabricates a reason to be in favor of them.

    Posted on February 24, 2014 - 10:33 PM #
  16. msndrspdx

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    And remember all those abandoned warships that had to be pressed back into service when WW2 broke out? They were taken out of service originally after post-WW1 budget cuts. Lowering the military to under WW2 level strength might be a ticket to trouble a Presidency or two down the road. Al-Queda would love it if these cuts actually became reality.

    Best, Mike

    Posted on February 25, 2014 - 09:42 AM #
  17. duxrule

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    That's not even close to being the same situation. Even with the cuts being proposed, we'll still be spending more on the military than most of the rest of the world combined. It's another one of those cases of "reducing the increase" being perceived as a cut, but in this instance, the RWNJ's support that kind of activity. Today's military is literally light years in difference from the pre-WWII days.

    Posted on February 25, 2014 - 09:52 AM #
  18. NoParty

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    Deane and the rest of the extreme radical right wing zealots piss and moan when they scream LOUD over the last 5 years about budget cuts and they finally get them.

    Be careful what you wish for Deane!

    Posted on February 25, 2014 - 03:54 PM #

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