Obama Eyeing Internet ID for Americans

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Obama Eyeing Internet ID for Americans

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Started 2 years ago by Skybill9
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Skybill9

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Ummmmm, NO F'ing WAY.

Talk about big brother.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20027800-281.html?tag=mncol;posts

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20027837-501465.html

I saw this first on Foxnews.com but knew if I posted that link it would be summarily disregarded by the liberals becauseit was from Fox.

So I found two other non-Fox sources.

There is not a chance in hell that this should be put in place.

This from one of the articles from former WA Governor Locke (whom I respect because I think he was the most Republican "Democrat" I know): "We are not talking about a national ID card," Locke said at the Stanford event. "We are not talking about a government-controlled system. What we are talking about is enhancing online security and privacy, and reducing and perhaps even eliminating the need to memorize a dozen passwords, through creation and use of more trusted digital identities."

I've only got a two word response to that; BULL SHIT. It's a way to track your internet activity. Plain and simple.

Posted on January 8, 2011 - 07:45 PM #
Vitalogy

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If you're not doing anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about.

Posted on January 8, 2011 - 07:48 PM #
missing_kskd

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In general right now, US IP and Internet policy isn't headed in a good direction.

Obama isn't really all that good at IP / online policy. We've not had anybody that is, and I think it's largely due to legislators being uninformed, and very significant lobby efforts to get law written that makes money.

Remember that whole "let the market work it out" deal? Well, deregulation in media has had a significant and negative impact, and the Internet is no exception. Big media wants to do traffic discrimination, and that door was opened recently, and they want pay per byte, so that they can control the culture and the politics with money, just like they do the traditional media forms.

So far, since the rise of the Internet, we've not had any significant push to preserve it as the commons it is.

Posted on January 8, 2011 - 07:54 PM #
Skybill9

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"If you're not doing anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about."

Do you think that way about them tapping and recording your phone conversations? I'd bet not.

Posted on January 8, 2011 - 07:59 PM #
Andrew

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Sorry, this is all a bunch of paranoia over nothing.

This is not some sort of "mandatory" internet ID - it's an optional thing people can choose to ENHANCE their security, so they can prove they are who they say they are. Americans aren't going to be required by the government to sign up for an "Internet ID."

Read the articles. All they talk about is that jurisdiction for creating this was given to the Commerce Department. To quote the cnet article:

The move also is likely to please privacy and civil-liberties groups that have raised concerns in the past over the dual roles of police and intelligence agencies.

because they were worried the NSA or FBI would have jurisdiction. If you put it in Commerce, then the other agencies can't tap into it. (Of course, the NSA can tap into EVERYTHING anyway, even today.)

Posted on January 8, 2011 - 08:38 PM #
listener guy

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Leave it to Obama to take the fun out of the internet.

Posted on January 8, 2011 - 08:56 PM #
RadioBuggie

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Andrew's right on the mark with this one...

..and electronically speaking here, YES - I have been bitten by the radio bug...

..albeit that's about IT for the game of '20 Questions'!

Posted on January 8, 2011 - 09:39 PM #
NoParty

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Yet Sky is cool with the Republican HEAVY Patriot Act.

WOW!

Posted on January 8, 2011 - 09:50 PM #
RadioBuggie

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Posted on January 8, 2011 - 11:13 PM #
Skybill9

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"Yet Sky is cool with the Republican HEAVY Patriot Act."

Please show anywhere that I have said that.

Posted on January 9, 2011 - 01:01 AM #
Skybill9

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"Sorry, this is all a bunch of paranoia over nothing."

Lets hope so.

But if the government gets involved with it you know it will be hosed up in short order.

To err is human, to really foul things up requires the federal government.

Posted on January 9, 2011 - 01:10 AM #
NoParty

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"Yet Sky is cool with the Republican HEAVY Patriot Act."

Please show anywhere that I have said that.

Show us where you've talked negatively about it.... I'll be waiting until the second coming....

Posted on January 9, 2011 - 10:53 AM #
Skybill9

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So you’re saying; that means that everything someone doesn't talk negative about they approve of??? Must be the new LL (Liberal Logic).

Nice dodge, but the burden is on you to prove where I have EVER said that I approve of the Patriot Act.

Posted on January 9, 2011 - 02:41 PM #
Chris_taylor

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I think Skybill's actually words were...he was betting on the Patriots to Act like Superbowl champs in a few weeks. Of course I'm paraphrasing.

Posted on January 9, 2011 - 02:52 PM #
Skybill9

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Close Chris, but if I'd said that it would still have started with a P, but ended in ackers!

Posted on January 9, 2011 - 03:02 PM #
Master of Disaster

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Oddly enough, there's already a slick and efficient 'Internet ID' that developed privately outside of government and is extremely pervasive: Facebook. Many sites have something or other that integrates their "like" system in some form, and many websites, businesses, and organizations have their own pages. Some sites that have nothing to do with Facebook require someone to have a Facebook account to comment or even view the site.

Posted on January 9, 2011 - 06:39 PM #
missing_kskd

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That brings up something that's bugging me about a central ID. I really don't care if we have one, given that it's not mandatory to use. People do lots of things online that they might not want tracked.

Facebook abuses the personal data, and I don't have any account with them because of that.

If we do this system, it should also come with some basic limits on how the data is to be used. Having private industry be a part of creating it isn't giving me a lot of confidence. Used to be, things were built because they were needed, and they were built in simple, effective ways. Would much rather see that idea embodied in this system, instead of a profit motive.

Verifiable ID would significantly increase the worth of the Internet commons, adding to everybody's bottom line, which means the system needs to be neutral, not dependent on private products, open so that we know how it works, and enforced so it carries some weight.

Maybe that explains my post above some. I don't have a high confidence level about those things right now, given how the current administration, and frankly past ones regard the Internet. Guess it's tine to see how the people that built the net actually view this idea. I trust them.

Posted on January 10, 2011 - 08:20 AM #
Brianl

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"Do you think that way about them tapping and recording your phone conversations? I'd bet not."

The previous administration completely circumvented the Constitution, and ended Habeus Corpus, justifying their illicit tapping and recording of phone conversations and other bugging methods.

And, I agree with you Bill, it's NOT okay.

"Facebook abuses the personal data, and I don't have any account with them because of that."

They say they don't sell or give the information. I doubt that because my account was compromised, more than once. Which is why I deleted my Facebook account, and will never go back.

I realize that the Internet is a "public domain", but there is just some shit that people don't know.

Posted on January 10, 2011 - 08:44 AM #
NoParty

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So you’re saying; that means that everything someone doesn't talk negative about they approve of??? Must be the new LL (Liberal Logic).

Nice dodge, but the burden is on you to prove where I have EVER said that I approve of the Patriot Act.

WOW!

Hell of a good dodge on you there Sky.

As for LL I have NO F'in clue what that is or care. Being that I'm an Independent I will have to say I have NO LL. Is that some shit you guys just made up? Sounds like the re-writing of histroy that you do on an minute/hourly/monthly/yearly and decade basis.

Posted on January 10, 2011 - 06:05 PM #

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