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1. fairandbalanced
   

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   "Obama and Sebellius have given the Catholic Church and like-minded religions one year to seek “enlightenment” and provide free birth control and abortifacients (with abortion next).

   The Friday night news dump included a new HHS Mandate which will require Catholic colleges and universities to provide contraceptives/abortifacients to students for free, not just employees. The Catholic Church will have to pay for them through a third party, but they will pay for them.

   HHS is trying to say they have met the Catholic Church demands but requiring them to pay indirectly does not relieve Catholics of the violation of their conscience and religious principles since they are still paying for them.

   This is an effort to force religion out of charitable work and education. They are coming after the Catholics and like-minded religions now and they will come for you later.

   Obamacare is about taking away everyone’s freedom. It will not stop at religion.

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   Posted on March 19, 2012 - 11:00 AM #
2. Deane Johnson
   

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   Obama is trying to put the showdown off until the 2012 election is past.

   Posted on March 19, 2012 - 11:06 AM #
3. Vitalogy
   

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   Obama would love nothing more than for this to continue to dominate the news. Average Americans overwhelming support the use of birth control. It's a losing issue for the exrtreme right wing lunatics.

   Other than that, it's just more fake outrage from a pedophile supporting institution and their idiot cult members trying to bring us back to the stone age.

   Posted on March 19, 2012 - 11:19 AM #
4. missing_kskd
   

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   This is an effort to provide basic preventative health care to anyone who needs it, period.

   For years, the Catholic church has used business to impose it's moral code on people, and that practice is going to end.

   There is acting as a CHURCH, and in that role, it's perfectly acceptable and encouraged to perform moral advocacy. We have that protected by the First Amendment. Though I do not agree with the moral stand, I absolutely support CHURCHES acting as such. Freedom of religion is one of our more significant founding values.

   We don't regulate churches much at all.

   Then there is BUSINESS. We do regulate business period. Labor laws and protections are a basic fact of life, and since we've linked health care to employment so strongly, regulations on health care policy extend into business.

   I frankly would prefer we do not do this, having the government administer health care ACCESS, but the US isn't there yet. Might never be. Who knows?

   BUSINESS is different from CHURCH. CHURCHES do not pay taxes, because they are serving the public and empowering people to worship. BUSINESS is about making money, and we do tax business accordingly.

   A CHURCH going into BUSINESS, must act as every other business does, period. That is the debate going on right now, and nothing more.

   If the Catholic Church decides it can't do business, somebody else will fill that niche, having no trouble at all complying with basic health care policy.

   Posted on March 19, 2012 - 11:25 AM #
5. missing_kskd
   

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   The year is for transition purposes. Either close it down, or separate the church from the business, or refactor the business somehow to better comply with the regulations or policy.

   Many asked for this time, which was easily granted. It just so happens to put things past the elections.

   I totally agree about this being in the news! Go big guys! It's all a very serious win for the left.

   Posted on March 19, 2012 - 11:33 AM #
6. motozak3
   

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   Got a real link to your "source", UFUB, or are you just going to loop us back around to where we already are?

   "BUSINESS is about making money, and we do tax business accordingly."

   $cientology.

   Posted on March 19, 2012 - 11:46 AM #
7. LurkingGrendel
   

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   Truly Orwellian. Thank goodness F&B is on the case.

   Posted on March 19, 2012 - 11:49 AM #
8. NoParty
   

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   UF&UB has his tin foil hat on again. Obama is after Religion now! But if DUHbya or some other insane GOP member where in charge UF&UB would have nothing to piss and moan about....

   It's all Obama's fault!

   I'm going to sue Obama over the fact that it rained in Disneyland the first day we were there. It's got to be Obama's fault! Truly it does!

   Posted on March 19, 2012 - 11:52 AM #
9. motozak3
   

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   UFUB is obviously making it all up. He expects us to believe him, yet he doesn't even have a URL to cite. Sorry, linking back to "Politics and Other Things" doesn't make you look like you know what you're banging on about; it may as well just be a long string of filler text--

   http://loremipsumdolorsitametconsectetueradipiscingelitaeneancommodoligulaegetdoloraeneanmassacumsociisnatoquepenatibusetmagnisdisparturientmontesnasceturridiculus.mus/

   Posted on March 19, 2012 - 11:56 AM #
10. Brianl
    

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    I see the resident shitass is volunteering to break his Lent, once again, to defecate in this fine forum.

    This is added to the list.

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 11:59 AM #
11. missing_kskd
    

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    ROTFL!!

    I didn't even notice his link. Hilarious! So desperate on this one.

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:00 PM #
12. NoParty
    

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    When does this Lent thing end?

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:00 PM #
13. Andy_brown
    

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    http://www.effenbeenoclueski.paranoid.righty.com/Catholic_hypocrite/uneducated/ignorant/stupid.html

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:01 PM #
14. motozak3
    

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    Depends on who you ask, I guess.

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15. NoParty
    

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    Andy, when did you get a pic of Deane?

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:04 PM #
16. fairandbalanced
    

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    Sorry about the link:
    http://www.independentsentinel.com/2012/03/hhs-mandate-war-against-freedom-of-religion-expanded/

    And how is it that a school should now be forced to not only give birth control to teachers but to students as well? The students are there to learn moral teachings too, one of them being that contraception is immoral. Kind of sends a mixed message doesn't it?

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:04 PM #
17. motozak3
    

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    The damage is already done, UFUB. You should have gone back and edited your post while there was still time, but you took too long. As it stands, you've already lost face. Better luck next time.

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:05 PM #
18. fairandbalanced
    

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    Check the link dude. It's the same article. No "damage" done.

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:06 PM #
19. NoParty
    

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    Kind of sends a mixed message doesn't it?

    Kind of like being a Church of God but hiding the FACT that you have trusted people having sex with KIDS!

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:08 PM #
20. motozak3
    

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    Doesn't change things, UFUB. Still doesn't fix it. You should know that dawdling doesn't accomplish anything!

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:08 PM #
21. Andy_brown
    

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    F&B wouldn't know about the real war against religion.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/20/world/europe/gunman-kills-3-at-a-jewish-school-in-france.html

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:19 PM #
22. Brianl
    

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    "Check the link dude. It's the same article. No "damage" done."

    That's funny right there.

    Dude, you could fuck up a cup of coffee.

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:25 PM #
23. edust1958
    

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    Instant coffee...

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24. Brianl
    

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    *hi-5's Edust!*

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:31 PM #
25. motozak3
    

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    Probably couldn't even boil the water without burning it!

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26. NoParty
    

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27. motozak3
    

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    4-10?

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28. NoParty
    

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    Let's see if UF&UB can screw up a cup of Tang?

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:34 PM #
29. fairandbalanced
    

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    "I frankly would prefer we do not do this, having the government administer health care ACCESS, but the US isn't there yet. Might never be. Who knows?"

    Why do you keep harping about "access"?

    Even a child can get free condoms through various private and government agencies. Why must religious organizations be FORCED to provide contraception, as if they didn't, the student or employee would not be able to get it?

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:38 PM #
30. missing_kskd
    

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    Orwellian indeed!

    The only people really worried about this are the ones most interested in making other people's choices for them.

    All the rest of us, a majority mind you, are looking forward to much cheaper, lower risk and more robust health care access policy.

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:38 PM #
31. fairandbalanced
    

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    I'm not making your choice for you if I refuse to give you condoms.

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:40 PM #
32. motozak3
    

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    Well, we've already had the "cheaper" part available for decades, in the form of Kaiser Permanente. Whether or not Kaiser is lower-risk or even robust is open for debate.....

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:41 PM #
33. NoParty
    

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    Why must religious organizations be FORCED to provide contraception.

    Why must cities be FORCED to let churches pop up everywhere property TAX FREE in their communities?

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:42 PM #
34. Brianl
    

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    "Let's see if UF&UB can screw up a cup of Tang?"

    Apparently so.

    He could screw up a wet dream.

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:42 PM #
35. NoParty
    

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    Why UF&UB are you for the MAJORITY of Americans not getting healthcare unless it's in an ER when they are very sick? It ends up costing ALL taxpayers MORE in the end.

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:45 PM #
36. NoParty
    

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    He could screw up a wet dream.

    He wouldn't have one Brian, he's a Catholic. NO seed spilled unless it's to make a baby!

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:46 PM #
37. Andy_brown
    

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    "Why must religious organizations be FORCED to provide contraception"

    No special rights for Catholics.

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38. skeptical
    

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39. edust1958
    

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    I think I can solve fairandbalanced's problem with this issue... just take insurance totally out of the employers' hands... make a single-payer universal system for all... with all possible medical treatments and prescriptions covered... then the Catholic Church (as an employer) wouldn't feel imposed upon and all who need access to health care will have it!

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:52 PM #
40. NoParty
    

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    DO IT!!!!!!!!

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41. NoParty
    

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    Skep you crack me up!

    

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:53 PM #
42. Andy_brown
    

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    Skep, I think you mean http://www.trolls.com/pope_trolls/special.place.in.html/hell

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:54 PM #
43. missing_kskd
    

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    Why keep talking about access?

    Simple, 50 million Americans do not have adequate access to preventative health care.

    For those who do have some kind of access, their access costs are extremely high, as is their risk exposure.

    Again, F&B, this policy is about changing that. The goal is to get all Americans low cost, low risk ACCESS to health care. Specifically, no-co pay access to preventative care is a key cost cutting measure, necessary to prevent use of emergency / critical care services, as well as for preventing / catching major medical early enough to treat at lower costs.

    The policy is driven by COST OF ACCESS. Your moral stand is too expensive, and it's a slippery slope where we allow one religious exception, we allow all of them, and that means we have religious people in control of national policy.

    Not acceptable, because we wouldn't have national policy, and we won't get the benefit of large pools of people, etc...

    Some religions oppose contraception, others transfusions, still others antibiotics, etc...

    That is why religious organizations have a year. The policy is the policy. They can go and sort out their morals on their own dime and time.

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:55 PM #
44. fairandbalanced
    

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    "I think I can solve fairandbalanced's problem with this issue... just take insurance totally out of the employers' hands... make a single-payer universal system for all... with all possible medical treatments and prescriptions covered... then the Catholic Church (as an employer) wouldn't feel imposed upon and all who need access to health care will have it!"

    And why should the government have such power and why should individual freedom be so restricted?

    But you've missed the point of the thread. They also want to force Catholic schools to pass out birth control to their own students.

    Once again--how is "access" an issue? Just about anyone can get free condoms. Why must religious organizations be forced to hand out the BC?

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:57 PM #
45. fairandbalanced
    

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    You missed or dodged my question, MK. Free contraception is already accessible.

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:58 PM #
46. NoParty
    

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    50 million Americans do not have adequate access to preventative health care

    So UF&UB doesn't care about America/Americans. Now we're getting to the root of his problem with Universal healthcare.

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 12:58 PM #
47. Mrs.Merkin
    

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    You guys are cracking me up, but please, stop taking the VaginaPatrolTroll's 'bate. For crying out loud, he doesn't even know how to make a url link.

    I was thinking about this earlier today: to me, it doesn't seem like the VPT has had any or much education beyond high school, if that. And I'm sticking with my jail/prison/military-base theory of daily church attendance, leading to acute brainwashing.

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 01:00 PM #
48. missing_kskd
    

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    Asked and answered.

    Frankly, eat shit F&B. How does that compute? You've ranted here, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

    You LIE.

    YOU LIE CONSTANTLY.

    I grow tired of REBUTTING LIES and MISINFORMATION. So, it's time to get really ugly again. You aren't worth anything else.

    @Mrs_M: Seems great minds think alike!

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 01:04 PM #
49. Andy_brown
    

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    "it doesn't seem like the VPT has had any or much formal education beyond high school."

    He has said he dropped out of junior college after one year.

    F&B's swagger rings hollow. It always has. I labeled him a troll soon after he got here.
    What he thrives on is the attention he gets when he posts his inanity. I must admit,
    though, I didn't know early on that he was a lying hypocrite and a racist, although
    early on he did embrace Rush Limpbaughls.

    It's amazing how wrong a person can consistently be.

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 01:05 PM #
50. missing_kskd
    

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    He's a sorry dumb ass, whose only real purpose here is to rant for lack of any other meaningful life activity.

    Anyone care for the term "exit only speech?" LOL!! Think of it as shit, but for speech, anus for mouth.

    Posted on March 19, 2012 - 01:07 PM #

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