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  1. Andy_brown

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    You all seem to be too ready to jump to judgement based on media coverage.
    Sorry, seems like a foolish foundation to judge the case based only on
    what has been leaked to the press or released by attorneys previous
    to the indictment. And there will be an indictment. A hate crime more
    than likely, but possibly manslaughter charges.

    Zimmerman can't claim "Stand Your Ground" successfully. He was out of
    his vehicle and clearly was the pursuer. He incited the violence no matter
    how it played out.

    Remember, we don't know all the evidence and we won't until a court
    proceeding occurs.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 07:15 PM #
  2. duxrule

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    @ Deane: Look at page 7, Smith's report, which is on the bottom half of the page.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 07:16 PM #
  3. NoParty

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    @ Deane: Look at page 7, Smith's report, which is on the bottom half of the page.

    Deane DOESN'T read too well or comprehend much.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 07:18 PM #
  4. Vitalogy

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    SANFORD, Florida (Isabelle Zehnder reporting) -- The 911 call George Zimmerman made moments before he shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, has spurred heated conversation.

    Some people believe George Zimmerman pursued Trayvon while others believe Trayvon attacked Zimmerman.

    Some believe Zimmerman made racial slurs, while others say they don’t hear it. Some believe Zimmerman profiled Trayvon because he immediately said the teen looked suspicious and acknowledged he was black.

    Below is a summary of Zimmerman’s call followed by heated conversation about his 911 call to police.

    Some of the first words Zimmerman said to the 911 dispatcher were: “… there’s a real suspicious guy … the guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something … it’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about … he looks black …”

    Asked what he was wearing Zimmerman said, “A dark hoodie,” then said “Now he’s staring at me … now he’s coming toward me … he’s got his hands in his waist band … and he’s a black male … something’s wrong with him … he’s coming to check me out … I don’t know what his deal is …”

    The 911 dispatcher says, “We’ve got him on the wire … let me know if the guy does anything else.”

    Zimmerman said, “These assholes, they always get away … he’s running.”

    Seconds later he speaks something under his breath – HLN’s Nancy Grace played the recording Monday evening and said she could clearly hear the words “F-ing coons.”

    CNN’s Anderson Cooper played an edited version of the tape, removing background noise. He said he, too, thought he could hear the racial slur.

    Some argue it’s impossible to know what Zimmerman said. [Listen here at 1:17 for CNN's edited frame]. At the end of the day, it's going to be up to investigators to determine if Zimmerman made a racial slur.

    Immediately after the comment in question, the 911 dispatcher asks Zimmerman, “Are you following him?” To which Zimmerman replies, “Yeah.”

    Neighborhood watch volunteers are trained to be the eyes and ears for police. According to the leader of the national Neighborhood Watch organization, volunteers are not to be armed and they are not to pursue anyone. They are asked to call police if they see or hear something suspicious.

    The dispatcher tells Zimmerman, “We don’t need you to do that.” Zimmerman acknowledges hearing him, saying, “OK.”

    Their conversation lasts nearly two more minutes before hanging up.

    The nation has followed the Trayvon Martin case closely. Some believe wholeheartedly that Zimmerman pursued and profiled Trayvon, is a racist, is guilty of murder, and should be brought to justice. Others believe new reports coming out this week, now saying Trayvon was the aggressor. Some are straddling the fence somewhere in-between.

    According to police reports leaked by Sanford Police this week, Zimmerman said on the night he shot the 140 to 145-pound teen, Trayvon allegedly knocked him down with a single punch and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times.

    One of several witnesses who called 911 the night of the shooting said there is a sidewalk and grass behind her house and that she could see Trayvon's body laying in the grass.

    The Daily Beast reports Zimmerman weighs more than 200 pounds, and that the Sanford Police report says he was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from behind. The two exchanged words, and the teen allegdly beat him up.

    According to the report, Zimmerman, 28, allegedly suffered a broken nose, a gash to his head, and other injuries. Zimmerman reportedly traveled to the police station that night to give his account of events and then went home. Sanford police confirmed he did not warrant immediate medical attention at the scene and did not seek medical attention until the following day.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 07:20 PM #
  5. Vitalogy

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    A close up mug shot of Zimmerman.

    http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-sanford-florida-speaks-details

    I fail to see any sign of injuries.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 07:23 PM #
  6. Andy_brown

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    "Deane DOESN'T read too well or comprehend much."

    I think you mean he doesn't read much nor comprehend too well.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 07:24 PM #
  7. NoParty

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    OH MAN! Look at Zimmerman's eye swollen shut! The gash on his nose.... WOW! That 17 yr old kicked his ass!

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 07:26 PM #
  8. NoParty

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    "Deane DOESN'T read too well or comprehend much."

    I think you mean he doesn't read much nor comprehend too well.

    Yup!

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 07:26 PM #
  9. Vitalogy

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    George Zimmerman, Son of a Retired Judge, Has 3 Closed Arrests

    http://rollingout.com/culture/george-zimmerman-son-of-a-retired-judge-has-3-closed-arrests/

    According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most shockingly, resisting an officer with violence — a felony charge that surely could have landed him in prison.

    All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that’s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer …

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 07:27 PM #
  10. Uncle Mort

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    I'm waiting for someone to answer my point: That once Zimmerman became Trayvon's threatening, unidentified pursuer, the "Stand Your Ground" law justified Trayvon to stand HIS ground and even go after Zimmerman who is the aggressor. Ie if T had stabbed him with a screwdriver, T walks just like Z did. OK by you? Since Z took his gun along believing he might use it, he should be convicted of manslaughter. There was no prior intent to kill, but traditionally the law doesn't look kindly on bringing a gun to a fistfight. And if Florida blacks start to assume that every white man is a potential Zimmerman, maybe the law will be their shield too. Some other wacky shooting situations have occurred where the police assumed the perp just 'stood his ground'. Arrest the guy, you make waves. The NRA is behind this law and that makes everybody nervous.

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 09:09 AM #
  11. Notalent

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    The way is being paved for riots in the streets if there are not sufficient charges made against Zimmerman... No matter what the facts may be.

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 10:25 AM #
  12. The mug shot of Zimmerman was from years ago.

    Here are more up-to-date photographs of Zimmerman and Martin:

    http://lezgetreal.com/2012/03/sanford-fl-the-backlash-begins/

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 11:38 AM #
  13. >>>"The way is being paved for riots in the streets if there are not sufficient charges made against Zimmerman... No matter what the facts may be."<<<

    Summers coming. They are no doubt looking for their excuse for a good summer riot. Get the dogs and water cannons ready.

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 11:45 AM #
  14. Vitalogy

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    The lead investigator probing the deadly shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin wanted neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman arrested and charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, ABC News reports.

    Investigator Chris Serino of the Sanford, Fla. Police Department wanted the 28-year-old Zimmerman behind bars, but the state Attorney's Office said there was not enough evidence to lead to a conviction, sources told ABC.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57405716-504083/trayvon-martin-lead-investigator-wanted-george-zimmerman-arrested-the-night-of-the-fatal-shooting/

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 11:52 AM #
  15. Uncle Mort

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    Florida judge daddy eh? Puts Baby Face Zimmerman in a whole new light. He could have sprouted from an old Travis McGee novel or the next one from Elmore Leonard: 200 pudgy pounds of misfit son, well known to this small police dept, long list of hushup tantrums, yet no drug testing at the scene. kid trying to make a man of himself heading the neighborhood watch. all those other 911 calls could reveal a pattern, let's hear them too. here we go again the cops at the scene are thinking, don't make waves.

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 12:15 PM #
  16. Spike Lee's Tweet forces elderly couple to flee:

    "A school-cafeteria lunch lady and her husband have received hate mail, unwanted visits from reporters and fearful inquiries from neighbors — all because their Sanford-area address is being disseminated on Twitter as belonging to Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman, her son said late Tuesday.

    The woman, 70, who has a heart condition, and her husband, 72, have temporarily moved to a hotel to avoid the spotlight and possible danger, said son Chip Humble of Longwood.

    The woman has another son named William George Zimmerman who lived with her in 1995 and still lives in Central Florida. He is no relation to George Zimmerman, 28, who killed 17-year-old Trayvon Feb. 26, sparking national outrage and international interest.

    The elderly couple are the latest victims of an attempt by the organized left--with the blessing of President Barack Obama himself--to exploit the death of Trayvon Martin to inflame political and racial divisions.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/03/28/Spike-Lee-Forces-Elderly-Couple-to-Abandon-Home-Hide-for-Safety-from-Vigilantes "

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 12:15 PM #
  17. Andy_brown

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    "The elderly couple are the latest victims of an attempt by the organized left--with the blessing of President Barack Obama himself--to exploit the death of Trayvon Martin to inflame political and racial divisions."

    Horseshit.

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 12:16 PM #
  18. Vitalogy

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    The "left" wants justice for Trayvon. The "right" doesn't care because another dead black teenager is just fine with them.

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 01:04 PM #
  19. YOU GUYS ARE GENIUSES... FUCKIN" GENIUSES...( Im talkin to you Vitalogy )

    THE MUG SHOT of ZIMMERMAN ....drum roll please ...

    WAS TAKEN SEVERAL YEARS AGO...When he was arrested for pushing a cop over a buddy gettin takin' in over underage drinking...Zimmerman was arrested at that time...for trying to restrain a cop...from doing his duty..it was a misdemeanor ...3rd degree..and the assault charge was dropped to something less

    THE MUG SHOT WASNT TAKEN RECENTLY...R.E.M.E.M.B.E.R. GUYS !!! HE WASNT ARRESTED FOR ANY CRIME IN THIS CASE..N.O.T. Y.E.T....REMEMBER ITS WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN BITCHEN ABOUT FOR THE LAST WEEK ..HE WASNT ARRESTED ..

    So yo're looking at a picture that the media has been shooting all over the web and TV..for over a week now....it OLD OLD OLD OLD OLD...he didnt have a broken nose back then...

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 01:34 PM #
  20. Vitalogy

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    Let's see pictures of his injuries, certainly they exist.

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 01:52 PM #
  21. >>>"Let's see pictures of his injuries, certainly they exist."<<<

    I doubt that Florida law enforcement feels compelled to respond to your liberal nonsense. Besides, what makes you think any photos even exist.

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 01:57 PM #
  22. It was documented by the cops ..that he had a broken nose and blood and grass stains all over the back of his shirt/coat whatever ..and lacerations to the back of his head...he refused treatment on the scene and he was also witnessed by the EMT people who showed up to try to treat Trayvon, they looked him over and asked him if he wanted them to run him in for treatment , he refused . He went in the next day to a hospital ER somewhere and got it taken care of..and that hospital ER visit will also be medically documented, Ill bet the state atty general's office already has that piece of evidence . So the initial detectives and prowl car officers also witnessed all of this ...

    Also, we found out today that the initial investigating officer for the Sanford Police department , a detective , and other officers investigating wanted to arrest Zimmerman for Homicide/Manslaughter on the spot and or the day afterwards . However , as is usually the case the issue got bumped upstairs all the way to the State Atty General of Florida who PUT A HOLD ON IT...because of the lack of evidence. Then it all got transformed into a Grand Jury investigation etc etc...and the went viral in the media...thanks to the usual race baiters..for the most part..

    The point is : Dont blame the Sanford Police for not arresting Zimmerman, it was the Florida State ATTY general's office that got into this, and rather quickly from the report I heard, a matter of 1 or 2 days after the fact, way before NBC and Al Sharpton came to town ...

    And speaking of Pictures...that pic of Trayvon..the first one...he is 13 years old in this picture !!!!! Look at some of the recent pics of him...he looks a lot different ...big and strong..not like a 7th grader !!The friggin' media just kept pushing this 'angelic middle schooler smiley innocent pic' all this time...figures ! One of his parents provided that picture , it is my understanding...

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 02:27 PM #
  23. "The "left" wants justice for Trayvon. The "right" doesn't care because another dead black teenager is just fine with them."

    And justice would be...

    And this would all be without sufficient evidence to arrest, try, and convict?

    There will be no presumption of innocence?

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 02:53 PM #
  24. Vitalogy

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    Reports show that Zimmerman weighed at least 50 pounds more than Trayvon.

    I think, as did the police on the scene, that there already is sufficient evidence to arrest him. A presumption of innocence can only occur after someone is charged.

    Justice would be Zimmerman being arrested and tried, and hopefully being punished is some way for killing Trayvon.

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 03:11 PM #
  25. Vitalogy

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    Deane, I'm curious. What exactly is your stance on this? Did Trayvon get what he deserved? I'd like to get you on record so that we can serve the proper amount of crow once you're proven wrong.

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 03:15 PM #
  26. We do know and it's in the police report that Zimmerman had a broken nose and lacerations on the back of his head, consistent with his story that he was punched and had his head bashed into the pavement, and that would have to be before the shooting, so that alone be a good case for self defense.

    I'm sure I've got 50 pounds on many 17 year olds too, but I'm also sure a strong and in shape 17 year old could clean my clock, especially if he landed a sucker punch first, so I don't think that 50 pounds proves anything.

    A witness saw Trayvon on top flailing away at Zimmerman. Is this disputed? If not, isn't it a cause to use deadly force? What should he have done?

    Yes a case can be made that he shouldn't have pursued, but he did, and that's not a crime, is it? So he found himself with a confrontation he could have avoided, but that doesn't mean it was unlawful defend himself.

    He didn't shoot Trayvon until in the midst of a scuffle. Wouldn't the only way to charge Zimmerman be to make a case that he first attacked Trayvon?

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 03:27 PM #
  27. Andy_brown

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    "Yes a case can be made that he shouldn't have pursued, but he did, and that's not a crime, is it?"

    It may indeed be.

    http://www.ncvc.org/src/main.aspx?dbID=DB_Florida108

    Fla. Stat. § 784.048. Stalking; definitions; penalties. (2008)
    (1) As used in this section, the term:
    (a) "Harass" means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose.
    (b) "Course of conduct" means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however short, evidencing a continuity of purpose. Constitutionally protected activity is not included within the meaning of "course of conduct." Such constitutionally protected activity includes picketing or other organized protests.
    (c) "Credible threat" means a threat made with the intent to cause the person who is the target of the threat to reasonably fear for his or her safety. The threat must be against the life of, or a threat to cause bodily injury to, a person.

    There's more relevant entries in the statute. See

    http://www.ncvc.org/src/main.aspx?dbID=DB_Florida108

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 03:35 PM #
  28. >>>"Deane, I'm curious. What exactly is your stance on this? Did Trayvon get what he deserved? I'd like to get you on record so that we can serve the proper amount of crow once you're proven wrong."<<<

    Glad you asked. Where we differ is that I maintain we don't know the answer at this point. All we have are erroneous and ever changing media stories. I maintain that the qualified investigators involved should try to determine what exactly happened by carefully piecing all of the evidence together. If they can't establish guilt, then Zimmerman's story stands. It was then self defense as he claims.

    You, on the other hand, in your racial fervor, want anyone who kills a black person convicted without a trial and proof of their guilt. We're simply different on what we want from law enforcement.

    Frankly, your racial fervor makes me sick.

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 03:36 PM #
  29. duxrule

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    "it's in the police report that Zimmerman had a broken nose and lacerations on the back of his head"

    I know that I have limited reading comprehension skills (thanks for enlightening me, Deano! ), but if you read the police report, it actually says Zimmerman was BLEEDING from the nose and the back of his head. It's presumptuous to assume the nose was broken.

    No one has also answered the question as to why Martin is required to give ground in this situation. A large man is following him after a trip to the 7-11. How do we know that Martin didn't fear for his own personal safety?

    Deane does make one good point, however, and that is that WE ARE ALL speculating. It's time to let the trained professionals do their jobs and try to figure out what actually happened.

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 03:45 PM #
  30. Vitalogy

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    Deane, you're the resident racist, if there ever was one (besides Notalent). Your history of posts prove it.

    As far as speculation goes, I think there is enough known at this point that Zimmerman should not be free. He should be arrested, charged, and face a jury to decide his fate.

    The key to me is this: Whatever physical altercation broke out happened AFTER the 911 call that we've all listened to. He was told not to pursue, yet he did. And after that, whatever happened is due to Zimmerman's pursuit. The facts don't add up to the random assault out of nowwhere that some people have been led to believe. Zimmerman initiated the entire encounter from the first second.

    Not to mention Zimmerman has a history of violence and should NEVER have been allowed to carry a gun in the first place.

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 04:21 PM #
  31. NoParty

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    Deane said>>>>
    Summers coming. They are no doubt looking for their excuse for a good summer riot. Get the dogs and water cannons ready.

    Kind of racist don't ya think???

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 05:17 PM #
  32. NoParty

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    Frankly, your racial fervor makes me sick.

    Again Deane, YOUR FUCKING KIDDING RIGHT? What is wrong with you? Your malfunction is great and should be fixed now. I guess all those years in NabrASSka in that bomb shelter have fried your brain.

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 05:19 PM #
  33. Andy_brown

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    Deane's been distracted by his new iPad.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AGVTp7eCWBo

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 05:25 PM #
  34. NoParty

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    OMG! It is Deane!

    But wait...... who is that girl?

    His daughter?

    His hospice nurse?

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 05:29 PM #
  35. duxrule

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    ABC news is out with a police video from the sally port at Sanford PD. While the quality of the video makes it difficult to see completely clearly, this sure doesn't look like a guy that been involved in a fight for his life.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-zimmerman-police-surveillance-16024475?tab=9482931&section=1206839&playlist=9660543

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 06:37 PM #
  36. skeptical

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    Being beaten over the head with a bag of Skittles can't hurt that much.

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 06:55 PM #
  37. He did look pretty normal. I couldn't see any evidence of any punches to the face or lacerations on the back of his head. I thought he would be a bloody mess.

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 06:59 PM #
  38. NoParty

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    To skep ---->:lol:

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 06:59 PM #
  39. Vitalogy

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    The video released today crushes Zimmerman's claims of a beat down. No sign of blood anywhere on him. No stains on his shirt, nothing. Absolutely no indication whatsoever that he just finished a physical battle with someone where blows were exchanged.

    I guess the reason why there are no photos of him with his bloody broken nose, etc, is because it didn't happen. If they existed, I would expect that Zimmerman himself would demand they be released in order to support his story. So far, his version of events are contradicted with a lot of video and audio recordings that say otherwise.

    I broke my nose playing basketball when I was 19. There was so much blood, it looked as if I got shot in the head. Shirt completely stained. Both eyes turned black a few days afterwards. Plus, I had a cast on my nose for a week once the swelling went down enough so they could re-break my nose, put it in place, and cast it.

    The longer this goes on, the more I smell a rat.

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 09:22 PM #
  40. Someone made a good point in a comment under the video on the LA Times page.

    If Zimmerman shot Martin when he was on top beating him, as I believed he claimed, he would at least have some of Martin's blood on him. (Or would he have had the opportunity to get cleaned up and change his clothes?)

    Posted on March 28, 2012 - 09:38 PM #
  41. Uncle Mort

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    Zimmerman was the bigger man but he was yella, and pulled a gun when his prey turned on him. If that's how it went down: Girl friend's recollection of phone call indicates Z spoke up first though, which seems very plausible given Z's determination to not let this 'asshole', this coon?, get away. Why would Z suddenly give up the chase and be going back to his car? Inconsistent with Z's behavior to that point. And Trayvon's body shows NO SIGNS OF FIGHTING:

    "...Lawyers for the Martin family said Zimmerman was the aggressor. The lawyers said Martin's girlfriend in Miami was on the phone with him just moments before he was killed. The girlfriend has told ABC News and family lawyers that Martin told her someone was following him. She said she heard someone ask Martin something, then what sounded like someone pushing him. The phone sounded like it was then knocked to the ground and went dead, the girl said.

    The funeral director who handled Martin's funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen's hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.

    “I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/trayvon-martin-police-video_n_1386764.html#comments

    Posted on March 29, 2012 - 03:34 AM #
  42. The only thing on that video that * might * indicate Zimmerman had any injuries was one of the cops looking at the back of his head twice , touching his arm and then his back and wiping something off his hand...I am sure he has been debriefed on that.

    And of course the autopsy details, via the coroner, will show whether or not Martin had any kind of lacerations other than from the gunshot itself. Also, toxicology results take 4 or 5 weeks to come back. Shouldnt be too much longer.

    Posted on March 29, 2012 - 06:53 AM #
  43. Uncle Mort

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    If the real story doesn't conform to their prejudices these Republicans lose interest in a hurry. Notice how KW can't bring himself to notice the coroner's comments. Deane would be dancing on our heads if the preliminary evidence suited him. Anyway it's interesting to consider different 'what if' scenarios to understand how the law works or should. What escapes certain people here is, you can't bring a gun to a fistfight, and apparently the bigger man fired before he was even nicked.

    Posted on March 29, 2012 - 07:39 AM #
  44. Uncle Mort: >>>"Deane would be dancing on our heads if the preliminary evidence suited him."<<<

    There is no preliminary evidence that would suit me. I don't have a dog in the fight.

    Where I have taken exception is the emotional "oh this poor little innocent black kid with the big smile got shot by the big ugly Mexican and he wasn't doing anything wrong except going to the store to get some candy."

    Nobody was waiting to find out the facts, just reacting to an erroneous initial story in the media.

    I could care less if they fry the Mexican if it turns out he is guilty. If that's the case, that would be a problem he created for himself by his actions.

    I wonder how many of the puking liberals would want to be found guilty themselves of something with no evidence presented that they had done anything wrong. Can we see a show of hands.

    Posted on March 29, 2012 - 08:00 AM #
  45. I suppose that since Vitalogy has so loudly proclaimed that Zimmerman had no injuries when he arrived at the police station, it might be appropriate to pass along these close-up photos of his injuries when he arrived at the police station.

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/police-surveillance-video-of-zimmerman-may-show-head-injury/

    Posted on March 29, 2012 - 08:04 AM #
  46. Coroners Comments ???///////..more Geniuses on pdxradio.com I see.....

    You have your head where the moon dont shine Mort...once again another example of Liberal agenda/Race baiting conclusions.. jumping off the cliff..so it would seem..

    The Funeral director isnt the coroner Mort ! The Autopsy has been completed but it is UNDER SEAL..until further notice ...go look it up...and I imagine its waiting for the Grand Jury to see it before any of us will ...

    The Funeral Director can have his/her opinion all they want to...and Nancy Grace can dig up this guy and interview him all she wants to...And she did..fine..

    But until the Coroner's report comes out...we still dont know..this aspect.

    I dont defend this guy Zimmerman...I defend the process and take umbridge with the rush to judgement and accusations of Jim Crowish behavior by the authorities and private citizens by various African American based groups and persons involved in this case. I object to the blatant assumptions made by both sides, in particular I am suspicious of motives relative to accusations of racism by any person or entity OTHER than Zimmerman..and that hasnt really been determined yet...as was evidenced by that audio enhanced chop job that was flying around the internet that someone pasted together that had the very clear " Fucking Coons" comment ...that was a lie perpetrated by LIARS with an agenda...

    Posted on March 29, 2012 - 08:12 AM #
  47. Uncle Mort

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    Reading you both like a comic book, do keep digging. Missed a spot there as usual.

    Posted on March 29, 2012 - 08:17 AM #
  48. And the beat goes on..doesnt it ?

    Posted on March 29, 2012 - 08:19 AM #
  49. Well here is another *missed spot* for you Mort...something that goes against Zimmerman IMO..try this one for size..

    The only arrest Zimmerman ever had..was some years ago...in a parking lot of a Bar. He had a buddy who was under drinking age and they were both together drinking at the Bar...and someone called the police on the buddy..and a cop came out and arrested him in the parking lot. Zimmerman was right out there with them all and got contrary and tried to physically restrain the cop from the arrest. He didnt hit the cop but put did his hands on him.

    Zimmerman was arrested for a 3rd degree assault charge. In the end the county dropped the assault to something else, but he had to pay a ticket and attend an alcohol awareness program.

    Point is here that Zimmerman was arrested and CONVICTED of *illegally* restraining an officer of the law...well now...pay attention to this ... he has done it before , it is likely he may have done it again !!

    If Zimmerman tried in ANY WAY to restrain Trayvon Martin , he is in big trouble !! Restrain by pulling his gun out..or even PHYSICAL restraint ...he is in big trouble...wouldnt matter if Martin made pulp out of his face at that point...wouldnt matter...Martin had the right to defend himself in that case...and then justification for the use of deadly force by Zimmerman is negated in full.

    So what happened..exactly...we wont know for awhile yet..we may never know for an exact certainty...but it will be ' preponderance of the evidence "...

    Posted on March 29, 2012 - 08:46 AM #
  50. duxrule

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    "I suppose that since Vitalogy has so loudly proclaimed that Zimmerman had no injuries when he arrived at the police station, it might be appropriate to pass along these close-up photos of his injuries when he arrived at the police station.

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/police-surveillance-video-of-zimmerman-may-show-head-injury/"

    As with the rest of the living room detectives working on this case, those closeups are completely inconclusive. That "mark" could also be male pattern baldness. Providing MY "armchair QB" take on the video, I find Zimmerman remarkably clean and unrumpled for someone that supposedly was fighting for his life. There's no blood spatter, no ground-in dirt, no torn or disheveled clothes, or any other obvious signs that he'd been in a life-or-death struggle.

    Posted on March 29, 2012 - 09:16 AM #

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