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  1. no..that doesnt mean anything relative to what happened that caused all this in the first place...doesnt prove causation..

    You wouldnt make a very good lawyer..

    Posted on March 26, 2012 - 07:22 PM #
  2. Vitalogy

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    So KW, explain the cell phone call between Trayvon and his girlfriend. Why was he afraid of the random guy following him? If Trayvon had already punched out the vigilante as he claims, then why didn't the vigilante say so when he was on the phone with 911 talking about a suspicious person and the 911 person telling him to back off? Any physical altercation between the two happened after those two phone calls.

    I'll take phone recordings and time stamps on phone calls anyday. Eyewitnessess lie and often didn't see what they think they saw.

    Not only that, but do you believe for a second a kid of 17 years with a bag of skittles and some iced tea in his hand is going to go up to a random adult of 27 years and coldcock him for no reason?

    Posted on March 26, 2012 - 07:24 PM #
  3. NoParty

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    You wouldnt make a very good lawyer..

    Thank God! I get paid better than most lawyers! I have a buddy that is a lawyer in Portland and he works 60-70 hrs a week and is on call all the time.

    No thanks! I have a good life.....

    Posted on March 26, 2012 - 07:28 PM #
  4. NoParty

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    So KW, explain the cell phone call between Trayvon and his girlfriend. Why was he afraid of the random guy following him? If Trayvon had already punched out the vigilante as he claims, then why didn't the vigilante say so when he was on the phone with 911 talking about a suspicious person and the 911 person telling him to back off? Any physical altercation between the two happened after those two phone calls.

    KEnn, you wouldn't make a good Lawyer wither.....

    Posted on March 26, 2012 - 07:29 PM #
  5. Vitalogy

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    The job of lawyer is one of the most overrated jobs ever. Boring as hell, pay is good, but when you consider the hours they put in, it ain't that great. I get a kick out of making more money than most lawyers and I LOVE my job, unlike any lawyer you'd talk to after a few beers.

    Posted on March 26, 2012 - 07:32 PM #
  6. no no...all the girlfriend's phone call proves is that he was talking to her and she claims he said...Why are you following me ? ...so ok, fine..

    He is concerned with this guy following him..he is pissed off probably ...so where was this follwing going on ? On the street inside his truck..he being in the truck or following on the grass, walking ? In any case he is following Martin...he was told to stop following ...by 911..and didnt or did will be critical...and if he did follow him in some way..then what happened..

    The 'what happened during the last phase of this is critical. And dont EVER assume just because a 16 year old with a bag of skittles and an ice tea cant get real mad because some moronic looking dude is following him and perhaps saying crap to him verbally wouldnt make some kid go ballistic and start punching him...even out of fear..more than anger perhaps...but in any case elevating the whole thing now to physical endagerment and ending in a bullet to the chest. BTW..Zimmerman was the head of the neighborhood watch for that gated community..essentially it was his job and he was authorized to that role by the management and whatever other city agency monitors these people...he is not cop...

    Now, if they can determine that Zimmerman actually physically detained this Martin kid...or even tried to... even tried to...THERE would be a reason to arrest the man and perhaps convict him of a crime. Making a citizens arrest is a dicey propostion in most states...I dont know what the law is in FLA on that aspect.

    911 calls alone wont do it, I dont think...eyewitness testimony would do it , more than likely..one way or the other...

    Posted on March 26, 2012 - 07:46 PM #
  7. skeptical

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    Trix sez: I have a good life.....

    Yeah, after your sharing that link, we ALL have a good life now!

    Posted on March 26, 2012 - 08:12 PM #
  8. Vitalogy

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    KW: You are a fool. Trayvon was unarmed. He was pursured and 911 told the killer to chill. The killer continued and ended up killing him. Seriously, why are you defending the indefensible? Zimmerman needs to go to jail. He was told to not pursue by 911 yet the kid ended up dead? This isn't Stand Your Ground, this is pure and simple murder.

    Posted on March 26, 2012 - 09:25 PM #
  9. "He was told to not pursue by 911"

    I heard 911 say "We don't need you to do that." Is that a command to not pursue?

    K'man is just trying to be fair and objective. He hasn't defended anyone or anything.

    Shouldn't we wait until we have ALL the facts before we lynch this dude?

    Posted on March 26, 2012 - 09:45 PM #
  10. paulwalker

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    This case is impossible for distant observers to have any valid opinion. It is unsolved. Perhaps we should wait for the trial to decide it. I can see both sides, but this one demands a trial. I'm sure HLN will cover it wall to wall.

    Posted on March 26, 2012 - 10:25 PM #
  11. http://www.divshare.com/download/17140389-e34

    Posted on March 26, 2012 - 11:14 PM #
  12. This is my last comment on this particular thread:

    Fact: George Zimmerman was out looking for trouble.
    Fact: George has a history of making dozens and dozens of 9-1-1 calls.
    Fact: George was armed.
    Fact: George called 9-1-1 and the operator told him to back off. I.e. The police are on the way, they can handle this. George chose to ignore that direction.
    Fact: Trayvon was unarmed.
    Fact: Travyon is dead.

    It’s not an unreasonable supposition that had George not chosen to engage in a confrontation (whether verbal or physical) with the victim Travyon would still be alive.

    I’ll refrain from further analysis of the he said/he said, (keeping in mind, one party is no longer alive and cannot give their version of events) save to note Zimmerman’s story is hard to reconcile with the end results. IMO, the police in Sanford bungled the investigation from the start.

    The majority of citizens are not looking for a lynching; either metaphorical or literal. The majority of citizens are looking for justice via due process. Do I personally feel George is guilty of a crime? Yes, actually. He sought this confrontation out and another person is now dead due to that decision. A thorough and impartial investigation should be conducted, should the evidence warrant he should be charged and arraigned, (save that moronic Florida law, which is basically a right to murder someone and then claim self defense, I think George would already be in handcuffs) and he should then be tried. He’s presumed innocent until guilty and that question should be put before a jury in a court of law. That’s hardly a revolutionary concept and one would presume something even the conservative minded could endorse.

    When there’s so few things one can count on anymore it’s strangely comforting to know the far right conservative fuck heads on this site will always leap to defend the indefensible.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 07:14 AM #
  13. And its also comforting to know that LG and others on this board would leap to opposite conclusions supporting arresting someone without probable cause, lap up Al Sharpton rhetoric, New Black Panther rhetoric etc... and automatically assume that the original police investigation was flawed and that the entire state of Florida is racist and that the only mistake made in all this was by George Zimmerman and that Martin was a "ray of sunshine out of the porthole of Heaven" and could and never would not do anything to have escallated this into a justifable homicide ( under Florida law )...

    This kid was not really an angel...as we are finding out now...not many teenagers are during their entire time in those difficult years...a lot of them have anger issues at one time or another , and fortunatly most time they are dealt with and or overcome in time..and dont end up on a stainless steel table in the Morgue...

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 09:06 AM #
  14. Uncle Mort

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    KWMan is off the leash now and sounding kinda, well... at least he oughta watch a few more Perry Mason reruns before waving PROBABLE CAUSE around. Ironically the "Make my Day" law was really designed to protect Trayvon's right to stand HIS ground against a threatening stalker. He only had a phone in his hand, a distinctive look that we all recognize but idiot Zimmerman mistook for, what? Kid seems to have made some effort to elude his pursuer, but then stood his ground, and i can picture this pussy Zimmerman, clutching the gun under his shirt, panicking as the kid turned on him and maybe even threw a punch, fully justified it would seem under the new law. Z stumbles backward, fear rising like sweat, pulls the gun and shoots him.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 09:46 AM #
  15. If Trayvon was being pursued at the time, how did he sneak up behind Zimmerman and hit him?

    As usual on this forum, there is a certain group who believe what they want to believe and dismiss the rest. One can follow the posts on here and it's all the usual suspects.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 10:23 AM #
  16. Oh, darn the luck.

    http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 10:28 AM #
  17. Uncle Mort

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    ...and the usual suspects who carp but add nothing. What's your scenario Deane? This being a forum. Don't be so quick to put everyone and every issue into a box, it limits discussion and thinking. It's not so right versus left as you suppose. We have an equal interest in self protection.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 10:30 AM #
  18. Vitalogy

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    Was Zimmerman punched before or after the 911 call? There's no mention of this on the 911 tape. If a confrontation occured, it occured AFTER the 911 call where the operator told Zimmerman to back off and that police were on the way.

    I think Uncle Mort nailed it. And Deane flops as usual.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 10:46 AM #
  19. Mort, I've already posted that I think people are jumping to conclusions without all the facts.. The early reports left out a lot of facts, but like most things, the "usual suspects" on this forum don't really need those, do they.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 10:49 AM #
  20. Did the operator tell Zimmerman to "back off"?

    Maybe I didn't hear the entire recording. But what I did hear was that he said, "You don't need to do that" (follow him).

    That very well could have been out of concern for Zimmerman to not take the personal risk.

    That Zimmerman was assaulted after the call and possibly because of his bad judgement, doesn't mean he wasn't acting in self defense.

    He was decked by Trayvon, and had a gun that Trayvon could have used against him. He feared for his life.

    That's how it "could" have gone down. I'm not going to condemn anyone without ALL the facts. And it's premature for the New Black Panther Party to put a $10,000 bounty on Zimmerman's head. Where is Obama when he's needed?

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 10:58 AM #
  21. I haven't heard anywhere that Zimmerman was told to "back off" except in the initial erroneous stories which were clearly written to sensationalize.

    "You don't need to do that" was closer to what I have since heard was said by the 911 operator.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 11:08 AM #
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    Absolutely it was out of concern for his personal risk. He could get hurt, or he could end up hurting somebody.

    Both are bad.

    He proceeded because of why? Needed to use his gun? Profiled the person and thought it was worth following up on? Wanted to play cop? Just stupid?

    Intent matters in criminal law, and that intent question isn't very favorable to our crying shooter right now. Why continue on? Couple that with an unarmed kid, dead and it's not pretty at all.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 11:08 AM #
  23. NoParty

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    ..and the usual suspects who carp but add nothing. What's your scenario Deane?

    To ignore facts and attack,attack,attack!

    Mort! He's a CONer!

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 11:50 AM #
  24. NoParty

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    I think Uncle Mort nailed it. And Deane flops as usual.

    WE HAVE A WINNER!

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 11:51 AM #
  25. Skybill9

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    Where facts are few, experts are many.

    Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done and why. Then do it.

    - Stolen from a friend of mine!

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 12:51 PM #
  26. "On Feb. 26, when Zimmerman first spotted Trayvon, he called police and reported a suspicious person, describing Trayvon as black, acting strangely and perhaps on drugs.

    Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot. When a dispatch employee asked Zimmerman if he was following the 17-year-old, Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher told Zimmerman he did not need to do that.

    There is about a one-minute gap during which police say they're not sure what happened.

    Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.

    Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police.

    Zimmerman fell to the ground and Trayvon got on top of him and began slamming his head into the sidewalk, he told police.

    Zimmerman began yelling for help.

    Several witnesses heard those cries, and there has been a dispute about whether they came from Zimmerman or Trayvon.

    Lawyers for Trayvon's family say it was Trayvon, but police say their evidence indicates it was Zimmerman.

    One witness, who has since talked to local television news reporters, told police he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Trayvon on top, pounding him — and was unequivocal that it was Zimmerman who was crying for help.

    Zimmerman then shot Trayvon once in the chest at very close range, according to authorities.

    When police arrived less than two minutes later, Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose, had a swollen lip and had bloody lacerations to the back of his head.

    Paramedics gave him first aid but he said he did not need to go to the hospital. He got medical care the next day.

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-26/news/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-account-20120326_1_miami-schools-punch-unarmed-black-teenager "

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 01:24 PM #
  27. "It is not often that I agree with Geraldo Rivera, but recently he said something very practical and potentially life-saving, when he urged black and Hispanic parents not to let their children go around wearing hoodies.

    There is no point in dressing like a hoodlum when you are not a hoodlum, even though that has become a fashion for some minority youths, including the teenager who was shot and killed in a confrontation in Florida. I don’t know the whole story of that tragedy any more than those who are making loud noises in the media do, but that is something that we have trials for.

    People have a right to dress any way they want to, but exercising that right is something that requires common sense, and common sense is something that parents should have, even if their children don’t always have it.

    Many years ago, when I was a student at Harvard, there was a warning to all the students to avoid a nearby, tough Irish neighborhood, where Harvard students had been attacked. It so happened that there was a black neighborhood on the other side of the Irish neighborhood, and I had to pass through the Irish neighborhood when I went to get my hair cut.

    I never went through that Irish neighborhood dressed in the style of most Harvard students back then. I walked through that Irish neighborhood dressed like a black working man would be dressed — and I never had the slightest trouble the whole three years that I was at Harvard.

    While I had a right to walk through that tough neighborhood dressed in a Brooks Brothers suit, if I wanted to — and if I could have afforded one, which I couldn’t — it made no sense for me to court needless dangers.

    The man who shot the black teenager in Florida may be as guilty as sin, for all I know — or he may be innocent. We pay taxes so that there can be judges and jurors who sort out the facts. We do not need Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton or the president of the United States spouting off before the trial has even begun. Have we forgotten the media’s rush to judgment in the Duke University “rape” case that blew up completely when the facts came out?

    If the facts show that a teenager who was no threat to anyone was shot and killed, it will be time to call for the death penalty. But if the facts show that the shooter was innocent, then it will be time to call for people in the media and in politics to keep their big mouths shut until they know what they are talking about.

    Playing with racial polarization is playing with fire.

    Much has been made of the fact that the teenager was unarmed. The only time I ever pointed a loaded gun at a human being, I had no idea whether he was armed or not. All I knew was that I could hear his footsteps sneaking up behind me at night.

    Fortunately for both of us, he froze in his tracks when I pointed a gun at him. If he had made a false move, I would have shot him. And if it had turned out later that he was unarmed, I would not have lost a moment’s sleep over it.

    You know that someone was unarmed only after it is all over. If he attacks, you have to shoot, if only to keep the attacker from getting your gun.

    It so happened that the man I pointed a gun at was white. But he could have been any color of the rainbow, and it would not have made the slightest difference.

    Let the specific facts come out in the Florida case. Have we forgotten the Jim Crow era, with courts making decisions based on the race of the defendants, rather than the facts of the case? That is part of the past that we need to leave in the past, not resurrect under new racial management.

    Who is really showing concern for the well-being of minority youngsters, Geraldo Rivera who is trying to save some lives, or Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and others who are hyping this tragic episode for their own benefit?

    Race hustlers who stir up paranoia and belligerence are doing no favor to minority youngsters. There is no way to know how many of these youngsters’ confrontations with the police or others in authority have been needlessly aggravated by the steady drumbeat of racial hype they have been bombarded with.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/294456/geraldo-and-hoodies-thomas-sowell "

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 01:44 PM #
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    Paranoia par excellence.

    Quintessential right wing interpretation.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 01:52 PM #
  29. >>>"Quintessential right wing interpretation.">>>

    You mean an interpretation based on facts, right. Not based on liberal herd mentality, right.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 01:55 PM #
  30. Andy_brown

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    If any group is afraid of facts, it's not the liberals. It is most definitely the conservatives.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 02:06 PM #
  31. >>>"If any group is afraid of facts, it's not the liberals. It is most definitely the conservatives."<<<

    Doesn't appear to be that way in this case.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 02:12 PM #
  32. Amus

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    You left out the part where he says "fucking coons".

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 02:19 PM #
  33. >>>"You left out the part where he says "fucking coons"."<<<

    He certainly may have said that. Lots of people might. Doesn't change what happened that night, however.

    My point is that an erroneous version hit the media at first. Subsequent information has caste a different light on the occurrence. Liberals, however, are sticking with the original erroneous version because it seems to fit there stereotyped political correct version of life.

    We're just different in that I would prefer going with the facts that will emerge from the grand jury investigation.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 02:35 PM #
  34. Speaking of the ' coons ' remark..

    Someone in here posted a link in this string a few days ago that went to some blogosphere...TV media interview show wannah be production that supposedly did their ' review'...we hear the 911 call then something that was obviously an *audio-choped* job...with somebody whispering a very clear " Fucking coons ' remark...I was suspicious so I checked over the last few days and found out that a number of REPUTABLE news organizations have tried to properly clean up that audio and decipher what was said..for namely CNN ( not Fox, so get off my case) !! And their conclusion was " We can not tell what he said "....go look it up !!

    When I heard that particular version , I couldnt quite buy it..it was too clear and and sounded to pat...I went back in this string to look it up again..but I cant find it now..so someone removed it rather quickly , in time enough to beat the "EDIT' time out on the system.. I cant remember who it was for sure...that posted it..but at any rate...we all need to watch out for obviously *ultra bad sources*...and that includes me too..

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 03:18 PM #
  35. "Fact: George Zimmerman was out looking for trouble."

    No, that's your opinion and the result of your bias and wishful thinking. That has yet to be proven.

    "Fact: George has a history of making dozens and dozens of 9-1-1 calls."

    That IS a fact. He is also known to have made dozens and dozens of trips to the rest room. What is the point? He's on neighborhood watch in a high crime area.

    "Fact: George was armed."

    This IS a fact and it's relevant. Congratulations.

    "Fact: George called 9-1-1 and the operator told him to back off. I.e. The police are on the way, they can handle this. George chose to ignore that direction."

    The first sentence is NOT a fact and is a FALSE STATEMENT. Please provide proof that the operator told him to "back off." What he was told was that "we don't need you to do that." That IS a fact. And it seems likely that at that point he did turn around and head for his vehicle, and was shortly thereafter assailed. He was punched in the nose, knocked to the ground, and had his head smashed into the pavement.

    "Fact: Trayvon was unarmed."

    He WOULD have been armed if he would have thrashed Zimmerman to the point at which he was entirely incapacitated. He was an aggressor against an armed man. The armed man could not have known with certainty that the attacker was unarmed and he had good reason to fear that he could end up being the one who would arm Trayvon.

    "Fact: Travyon is dead."

    I will withdraw my "fact" if the actual facts prove otherwise, but at this point it "appears" to be a fact that had Trayvon not attacked and beaten Zimmerman, he would still be alive.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 03:20 PM #
  36. Skybill9

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    Don't confuse the liberals with the facts. It will give them a headache!

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 03:37 PM #
  37. Vitalogy

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    What part of "we don't need you to do this" means continue to pursue? That's clearly a directive to back off.

    And as far as the hoodie goes, people should be able to dress how ever they like and should not worry about being killed over it. That kind of shit happens in Iraq, not the US. I wonder, do you also tell the woman who was raped that she should have worn different clothing? Jesus Christ you guys are fools!

    Looking at Zimmerman's mug shot, it does not look at all like he was punched or injured.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 03:51 PM #
  38. "We don't need you to do this" could also mean, "Please don't follow and put yourself in danger." It's a very passive statement and not a directive.

    Further, as more information comes out, it's appearing that he did indeed take the advice and at that point turned around to return to his vehicle, and was confronted by Trayvan as he was retreating.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 03:55 PM #
  39. duxrule

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    It looks like someone one here might also be playing fast and loose with the facts.

    ""Fact: George called 9-1-1 and the operator told him to back off. I.e. The police are on the way, they can handle this. George chose to ignore that direction." The first sentence is NOT a fact and is a FALSE STATEMENT. Please provide proof that the operator told him to "back off." What he was told was that "we don't need you to do that." That IS a fact. And it seems likely that at that point he did turn around and head for his vehicle, and was shortly thereafter assailed. He was punched in the nose, knocked to the ground, and had his head smashed into the pavement."

    In the transcript of Zimmerman's 911 call, the 911 dispatcher says "We don't need you to do that." at 2:26, and he's on the phone for more than a minute, with no indication from that conversation that he's doing anything but trying to follow Martin:
    http://www.examiner.com/unsolved-cases-in-national/george-zimmerman-s-911-call-transcribed

    The original investigator on the scene also wanted to arrest Zimmerman on a manslaughter charge, but was called off by his superiors:
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-investigator-wanted-charge-george-zimmerman-manslaughter/story?id=16011674#.T3JDtNkf6il

    I'd also like to see some PROOF that "Trayvon attacked Zimmerman," other than idle speculation in the press.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 03:58 PM #
  40. Democrat lawmakers declare Zimmerman "GUILTY OF MURDER".

    So that's that. It's over except for the sentencing.

    "Democratic lawmakers on Capitol Hill on Tuesday called the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin a "murder" and the result of racial profiling.

    "I tell my son, you have to be careful (wearing) a hoodie," Rep. Hank Johnson, a Georgia Democrat who is black, said at a House briefing. "Trayvon was murdered for walking while black in a gated community."

    Martin's parents also spoke at the House Judiciary Committee briefing on hate crimes and racial profiling. Organized by House Democrats, the briefing brought the heated national debate over Martin's death and the handling of the shooter to the halls of Congress for the first time.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/27/trayvon-martin-family-arrives-on-capitol-hill/#ixzz1qMa5HrVT "

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 04:32 PM #
  41. Notalent

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    yep, as we all know liberals are always factually and politcally correct and never jump to conclusions.

    Finally we've reached the end of this saga.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 04:36 PM #
  42. >>>"I'd also like to see some PROOF that "Trayvon attacked Zimmerman," other than idle speculation in the press."<<<

    What good would that do. Your liberal mind is already made up. You're mentally obligated to follow the liberal herd mentality.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 04:53 PM #
  43. There was an eyewitness account of Treyvon being on top of Zimmerman pounding on him and that was consistent with Zimmerman's account which he gave to the police. It remains to be seen whose screams are on the 911 call, but the same witness said they were Zimmerman's and that he was pleading for help.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 04:57 PM #
  44. duxrule

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    As has been stated on this board before, the data shows that eyewitness accounts are some of the most unreliable. That's why police rely on actual evidence, not eyewitnesses. They only serve to corroborate the physical evidence.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 04:59 PM #
  45. Vitalogy

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    Zimmerman's mug shot did not indicate any evidence he was pounded.

    And why is the guy who is staunchly pro-life supporting the person that killed the kid? I would think out of common decency you would give the deceased the benefit of the doubt because he can't speak for himself about what happened. He's dead.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 05:06 PM #
  46. I agree with duxrule. I also can't believe a grown-ass-man getting "pounded" by a skinny 17 year old. No way.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 05:11 PM #
  47. duxrule

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    And an "eyewitness" account of Martin assaulting Zimmerman doesn't make any sense. If that's the case, then that person would have seen the shooting. I'm not aware of anyone making that claim.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 05:20 PM #
  48. NoParty

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    You mean an interpretation based on facts, right. Not based on liberal herd mentality, right.

    You mean like the kool-aid drinking right? Facts my ass. Your the people that get your so called facts from FAUXNews.... Your fucking kidding right?

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 05:31 PM #
  49. Andy_brown

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    When the smoke clears, it will be second degree manslaughter with a plea agreement to serve the minimum.

    Florida police have a long history of corruption. A quick google of the keywords returns articles from the '80's, 90's and over the last decade as well. I'm growing tired of digging up REAL facts for the right wingtards that like to showcase "facts" not yet in evidence, and draw conclusions like they were judge and jury.

    I'm making a prediction based on gut feeling. If that's what you are doing, say so. Don't claim that a certain piece of hearsay is more accurate than another. That's really back asswards. It's all hearsay until it is entered into evidence. Even statements, etc. can be thrown out before the trial starts.

    Why don't you all just chill and wait for the indictment to come down? I know, not as much fun as pointing out the day to day weaknesses of the CONS, their inability to parse, their inability to look at all the facts, not just the ones they like.

    There will be some federal action on that corruption thing, as well.

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 05:32 PM #
  50. NoParty

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    What good would that do. Your CONer mind is already made up. You're mentally obligated to follow the Kool-Aid drinking facists extreme right herd mentality.

    There finally fixed it. It was all FAUXED up by Deane.... Now it's right as rain.....

    Posted on March 27, 2012 - 05:32 PM #

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