"Working Americans have suffered enough from the president’s failed economic policies" said Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell, as he advocated... continuing one of President Obama's top economic policies:
Mitch McConnell: Idiot of the week(28 posts)
Posted on December 22, 2011 - 11:56 AM #
Andrew, could you explain your thinking a little further. You're not very clear on the basis for your attempted inflamatory trolling.Posted on December 22, 2011 - 12:15 PM #
Deane, one of Obama's key economic policies has been getting more money into the hands of working people. In the last year, Obama's biggest push for this has been the payroll tax cut.
If Mitch McConnell thinks Obama's economic policies have been failures, why is he pushing so hard to continue one of Obama's key policies, the payroll tax cut? Maybe if McConnell thinks the payroll tax cut has been a failure he should vote the other way? Or perhaps because of McConnell's lack of character he simply can't help taking classless potshots at President Obama, whether they make sense or not?Posted on December 22, 2011 - 12:56 PM #
McConnell is a nutbag.Posted on December 22, 2011 - 01:08 PM #
Which of Obama's economic policies have been so successful? The payroll tax cut puts more money at the spending level, but there is not much evidence it's turned things around.
If cutting taxes is now suddenly Obama's big thrust, he should switch his party affiliation to that of being a Republican, don't you think.
I believe Obama may have fired the first salvo by blaming the Republicans for the failure to extend the payroll tax holiday. I believe you will find that the Republicans have been for it all along, they simply want it identified as to how it is going to be financed, and they want it done for the entire year. The Dems don't have a clue how to finance it, they simply want to extend it blindly for another two months while the flail about for a solution as to where the money is going to come from. The Republicans say no, let's get it all done now and get on to something else.Posted on December 22, 2011 - 01:11 PM #
The GOP shot down the millionaires tax to pay for it Deane. Once again they are looking out for the rich at the expense of everyone else.Posted on December 22, 2011 - 01:17 PM #
Deane: Which of Obama's economic policies have been so successful? The payroll tax cut puts more money at the spending level, but there is not much evidence it's turned things around.
So WHY is Mitch McConnell pushing so hard to continue this not-successful policy? Sorry, can't have it both ways: either Obama's policies are failures and you vote against them, or they are working and you support the president, not just issue nonsensical partisan crap.
If cutting taxes is now suddenly Obama's big thrust,
You mean, since January 2009? He's consistently pushed tax cutting policies from day one of his presidency. In December 2010, after all, he pushed for continuation of all the Bush tax cuts even though he wanted to end them on the upper tax brackets.
I totally understand how you righties can't grasp that Obama could possibly be in favor of tax cuts, because you hate him so much you knee-jerk to your "Obama bad" reaction. And that's why this payroll tax cut is making your heads explode: you are programmed by your guru Grover Norquist with Prime Directive #1: Cannot Increase Taxes but that conflicts with Prime Directive #2: Obama Bad, automatically oppose everything he does. I love it!Posted on December 22, 2011 - 01:24 PM #
The Republicans want to extend the tax cuts for 12 months. The Democrats for 2 months. Damn that's complicated.Posted on December 22, 2011 - 01:31 PM #
Deane: The Republicans want to extend the tax cuts for 12 months. The Democrats for 2 months. Damn that's complicated.
It's even more complicated when it's not true, Deane. A lie is just easier, I guess?
Obama, Harry Reid, and every other Democrat have been calling for a 12 month extension since the beginning. As everyone else besides you and John Boehner know, apparently, the two month extension is a stop-gap to continue the tax cut (and unemployment benefits) long enough for Congress to agree on a full year extension.Posted on December 22, 2011 - 01:34 PM #
And Boehner is saying let's agree now.Posted on December 22, 2011 - 01:42 PM #
Deane: And Boehner is saying let's agree now.
There are strings... Like a pipeline through your front yard Deane.Posted on December 22, 2011 - 02:03 PM #
Boehner had months to work out an agreement for a one year extension. It's too late now - even Mitch McConnell, John McCain, Karl Rove, the Wall Street Journal Editorial page say so. Maybe he and Republican House leaders shouldn't have continued to throw in all of these ridiculous non-starters like drug testing for unemployment recipients?Posted on December 22, 2011 - 02:04 PM #
"drug testing for unemployment recipients?"
So, you're OK with using government handouts to buy drugs?
"Boehner had months to work out an agreement for a one year extension."
He certainly did. He said from the beginning that raising taxes was off the table. It has to come from cuts in spending somewhere else. The Democrats stuck to raising taxes to pay for the extension. Stalemate.
Why is it Boehner should have given in. I know, raising taxes is a Democrat thing. "It's what we do".Posted on December 22, 2011 - 02:13 PM #
That's an interesting interpretation of actual events.
It’s distorted, ignorant, factually inaccurate, and blindly partisan courtesy of your usual “news” sources, but interesting.Posted on December 22, 2011 - 02:18 PM #
Deane: "drug testing for unemployment recipients?"
So, you're OK with using government handouts to buy drugs?
Are you OK with millionaires using cocaine paid for by tax cuts? How about we drug test everyone to make sure they don't use a nickel of government money they might get back for drugs?
Better yet - get this NONSENSE out of the bill to extend the payroll tax cut and benefits for the unemployed. Put it up as a separate bill.
Why is it Boehner should have given in.
Don't ask me - ask Karl Rove, Mitch McConnell, and John McCain why they say he should have "given in."Posted on December 22, 2011 - 02:26 PM #
"Are you OK with millionaires using cocaine paid for by tax cuts?"
Bit of a reach.Posted on December 22, 2011 - 02:31 PM #
So is that a yes or a no, Deane? You're OK with millionaires using tax cut money for drugs or you're not?Posted on December 22, 2011 - 02:40 PM #
First of all, I'm not for anyone buying drugs.
With that in mind, I don't think it's the governments business what people do with their own money.Posted on December 22, 2011 - 02:48 PM #
Yes or No?Posted on December 22, 2011 - 03:01 PM #
Andrew, your question makes no sense. It doesn't have an answer. I've already stated I'm against anyone buying drugs.
You have yourself all in a knot with the usual liberal view that all the money belongs to the government. I don't have that view.
So, the government is not giving the wealthy anything. They're simply taking less away from them. You're benefiting from tax cuts. Does the government have a right to examine how you spend your extra money that they didn't take away from you?
There's a lot of difference between that and giving government handouts to people and expecting them not to use it on drugs.
I don't happen to have ever been into drugs, I have no sympathy for them. You may have a different background which colors your thinking, I don't have any way of knowing.Posted on December 22, 2011 - 03:08 PM #
Deane: There's a lot of difference between that and giving government handouts to people and expecting them not to use it on drugs.
What are you talking about? Unemployed people are not getting "handouts" - they had to work for a while to qualify for them. They have presumably paid taxes in the past.
But I'm sure there are plenty of examples where upper class people get benefits from the US government besides just tax cuts our Treasury has to borrow to pay for. Should we drug test anyone who might get a government benefit? Or just people who have never paid taxes? (That would exclude many people getting unemployment benefits.)
Sounds like you and your neoconservative beliefs have you all tied up in a knot because you feel the wealthy should be treated different from everyone else?Posted on December 22, 2011 - 03:11 PM #
>>>"What are you talking about? Unemployed people are not getting "handouts"
They've used up the benefits they have earned. The extensions are "handouts". They don't have them coming, it's a courtesy of the taxpayers to help them out. The taxpayers responsible for this extra money have a right to know it isn't being used on drugs. If you want to champion drug use of the money, go for it.
>>>"Sounds like you and your neoconservative beliefs have you all tied up in a knot because you feel the wealthy should be treated different from everyone else?"
Fine with me if they want to drug test anyone who gets a government handout. But don't confuse standard entitlement benefits with handouts.
Actually, what's going on here is the usual word games so much a part of the liberal mantra.Posted on December 22, 2011 - 03:17 PM #
BTW, this "idiot" McConnell may have just solved the stalemate and have it on a roll to avoid the issue Jan 1.Posted on December 22, 2011 - 03:20 PM #
McConnell didn't "solve" anything except stop the bleeding to the Republican party.
I called it last week:
Nah, I think the bill will pass at the last minute, perhaps with some meaningless change in the Senate bill. It's just theatrics, to appease the Tea Party members in the House who feel the need to appear tough and uncompromising on EVERYTHING instead of being lawmakers.
Nobody in Congress wants to stay in town over the Christmas break. If they fail to pass the payroll tax extension Republicans will look like hypocrites and obstructionists.Posted on December 22, 2011 - 03:33 PM #
Andrew, I know this is complicated, but from the article you yourself posted:
"The push to find a resolution was touched off Thursday by Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, who had negotiated the two-month extension and called on the House to accept a temporary continuation of the tax hike and extended unemployment pay as long as Senate Democrats committed to opening negotiations quickly over a yearlong agreement."Posted on December 22, 2011 - 03:38 PM #
Not complicated. McConnell negotiated that last weekend, when he thought Boehner was on board. Today he found the "meaningless" face-saving measure I spoke up last week: a "committee" to work on the year-long extension Obama asked for in the first place. Good job, Mitch! Better late than never, I guess.Posted on December 22, 2011 - 03:40 PM #
John Boehner caves... CNN & MSNBC carry it live. Special Report on FOX spin it and says a deal has been reached. Duh.Posted on December 22, 2011 - 04:07 PM #
Florida’s controversial new program to drug test welfare recipients isn’t exactly catching droves of addicts. So far only 2% of those tests have come up positive, the Tampa Tribune reports, with 96% testing clean and 2% declining to complete the application process. That rate of failure may still be enough to save Florida a tiny bit of money, but it undermines Gov. Rick Scott's argument that welfare recipients are more likely to use illegal drugs.
Applicants must pay for their own drug tests, but Florida will have to reimburse everyone who tested drug-free. At least 1,000 applicants have taken the test since the program started July 1; at least 1,500 are expected to take it each month. At this rate, that will amount to $28,800 to $43,200 in reimbursements a month. Each rejected applicant will save the state $134 per month, but since a single failed test disqualifies someone from a year’s worth of benefits, the state could come out ever-so-slightly ahead—if 20 to 30 people keep testing positive each month, and if the costs of administering the program don’t wipe out any savings.Posted on December 22, 2011 - 05:28 PM #
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