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Lou Dobbs, American Hypocrite

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  1. Vitalogy

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    In Lou Dobbs's heyday at CNN, when he commanded more than 800,000 viewers and a reported $6 million a year for "his fearless reporting and commentary," in the words of former CNN president Jonathan Klein, the host became notorious for his angry rants against "illegal aliens." But Dobbs reserved a special venom for the employers who hire them, railing against "the employer who is so shamelessly exploiting the illegal alien and so shamelessly flouting US law" and even proposing, on one April 2006 show, that "illegal employers who hire illegal aliens" should face felony charges.

    But with his relentless diatribes against "illegals" and their employers, Dobbs is casting stones from a house—make that an estate—of glass. Based on a yearlong investigation, including interviews with five immigrants who worked without papers on his properties, The Nation and the Investigative Fund at The Nation Institute have found that Dobbs has relied for years on undocumented labor for the upkeep of his multimillion-dollar estates and the horses he keeps for his 22-year-old daughter, Hillary, a champion show jumper.

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 10:14 AM #
  2. Brianl

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    I'd like to say I'm surprised, but I'm not really.

    It seems that the people that rail against something, make it their mantra, as hard as he did against illegal immigration ... often have something to hide relating to said subject.

    It's no different than the fundamentalist Christian leaders and ministers who rail against homosexuality, then are outed for having homosexual relationships.

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 11:11 AM #
  3. dodger

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    You wanna play the "hypocrite game"? We can go all day with stories if you can......

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 11:14 AM #
  4. dodger

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    OR, you could take the media's "outrage" at O'Donnell's "witch story" or "masturbation story" and say "hey where's the same coverage of this lady?

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 11:18 AM #
  5. NoParty

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    Damn that Obama!

    Everything is his fault!

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 11:21 AM #
  6. dodger

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    No no no, it's all BUSH'S fault!!! Come on man!

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 11:22 AM #
  7. missing_kskd

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    Same game Dodger, different day.

    Now, most Democrats don't run on a purity platform. So what, if she did that! Good for her, and I hope they had fun. Non issue for everybody except, and wonders never cease here, the GOP, "sex is dirty" repression crowd, you know the folks that lobby hard for anti-gay laws, because they hate being gay? Yeah. Next.

    The Obama one is interesting, and I think something to discuss, but not even in the same league as Dobbs, who is basically a racist, trying to justify that, without admitting it.

    IMHO, Obama has given in to big corporate America a few times. That sucks, and I don't like it, but then again, with Citizens United opening the door to unlimited amounts of money, some choices have to be made. Ugly ones too.

    The only way to really cut down on that is to get the money out of politics.

    Both of these are hardly relevant to what Dobbs is doing, and do what most of the "anti" GOP is doing.

    You go ahead though! I think some of the "yeah, fuck 'em" crowd will bite on those, but that's about it.

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 11:28 AM #
  8. dodger

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    They don't compare, that is true, but just pulling out random BS stories from the internet is a geek thing and I just wanted to prove I can be as big a geek as anyone!
    O'Donnell, HAS run on purity, and has stuck to it quite nicely, but as I have pointed out continually, nut case or not, the media has had a field day with her anti-masturbation thing. THAT is what interests me most. Why is it that her stance is so easy to make fun of? It's her opinion, it's her stance. Why attack it?
    As for the Obama administration's mishandling of the BP spill, the misinformation.....that is a much bigger issue than Lou Dobbs.

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 11:32 AM #
  9. NoParty

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    It's ALL Obama's fault. Even 9/11 and Iraq was his fault. And if you really dig deep...Clinton is at fault for EVERYTHING!

    You guys are rich! You've been in charge for 90% of the last 3 decades and it's been one full term Prez and someone that's been in charge for 2 years that your talking about.


    F'in laughable BULLSHIT!

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 11:33 AM #
  10. missing_kskd

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    Once again, fail.

    It's not "random" stories. The GOP is chock full of these kinds of things, happening every single week, FOR YEARS.

    That's the point of it. Remember, as much as it is unpleasant, the reality is the majority share of the Republican base is bigots, theocrats, racists, all serving the corporatists in screwing the middle class.

    Sorry man. You gotta do way better than that.

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 11:34 AM #
  11. NoParty

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    Remember, as much as it is unpleasant, the reality is the majority share of the Republican base is bigots, theocrats, racists, all serving the corporatists in screwing the middle class.

    NO WAY!

    Your kidding right!?

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 11:36 AM #
  12. missing_kskd

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    say it as often as you can

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 11:39 AM #
  13. dodger

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    Name calling is "better than that"? I can find the same amount of stories as you can. You just won't trust my sources and I won't trust yours.
    It's pointless.
    Calling me those names not only insults me personally, it insults my intelligence and it shows YOUR bigotry. It's just a different kind. It's not racial, sexual or religious, it's political bigotry. Ugly man, ugly.

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 11:40 AM #
  14. warner

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    Dodger, the difference here is, I seriously doubt that woman is running on a "don't suck on a dildo" platform.

    Whereas, Dobbs made millions off his anti-immigrant rants. There's the hypocricy.

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 11:52 AM #
  15. Vitalogy

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    Conservatives don't really understand hypocrisy, which is why they are usually the ones guilty of it.

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 12:22 PM #
  16. warner

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    Most everyone has a bit of hypocrisy, but the conservatives version is just a lot louder.

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 12:46 PM #
  17. Broadway

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    Latest on the saga--

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 09:35 PM #
  18. missing_kskd

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    Dodger, please show me where you got name called.

    BTW: I'm going to add "political bigotry" to the dodge list. That's brilliant! Absolutely golden! Love it. Now, let's see how long that takes to seep into the right leaning lexicon. You might be onto something there. Just so you know I'm paying good attention today, don't think I missed yet another attempt to build false equivalence, and martyrdom by linking my commentary to the many instances of racism, bigotry, theocracy and corporatism seen regularly from the Republican party.

    And just for the record, citing just how ugly a lot of GOP is, does not constitute "bigotry". The party is the home of the 23 percenters after all. That's just not pretty. Trust me. I get that, but making that clear isn't bigotry at all.

    You might not agree with those of us on the left, but we were not the ones that validated those kinds of people, in exchange for economic votes, favorable to the upper classes. I've made that damn clear for years, and it just so happens that right now is a particularly uncomfortable time for the party, because letting those people out into the daylight, validating them, and empowering them means the rest of us have to deal with them full on, instead of just knowing they are in dark holes, or clubs somewhere doing their thing. (which, by the way, is as good as it gets)

    Consider that the "soft cost" of buying those votes.

    We basically are living with Citizens United right now, because without it, the GOP would be getting it's ass handed to it right about now, due to those harsh and growing "soft costs", checked only by massive dollars, used for lies, distortions all targeting the low information and "nothing else matters" value voters among us.

    If there is any momentum happening for Republicans, and I've not seen that case made convincingly, it is bought and paid for with those dollars most other nations would easily characterize as 'morbid' and 'corrupt', not due to any real resonance between the party platform and the needs of the average American citizen.

    I've made that damn clear for years too, and we have a nice archive here. Go take a look see. It's all there, backed with a lot of compelling commentary, facts, and reason.

    The clowns at the Republican party rolled out a "contract on America" this year, which is nothing but a Newt retread, good for some numbers from the stupid and greedy, but not much else. There is hardly a comparison, and more than enough to validate my pointed commentary.

    Truth is, my best interests are served by the Democrats, and not only am I completely aware of that, but active in making sure as many others as possible understand that to be true as well.

    Pointing out the ugly nature of the GOP is just a little extra gravy, for some perspective.

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 09:56 PM #
  19. Sometimes I feel like running for office. Some kind of office where one of my main duties would be to hear testimony from people who want something from us and me grilling them until I get satisfactory answers - even and especially if I disagree with the result. I appreciate a well thought out idea. While I would be tough initially, if they can just relax and see that I want straight answers - no lies - no exaggerations. Just sell. Explain. Answer. If I ever heard anything that smacked of " Well he started it! " = You're done.

    My campaign for such post would be a platform of " I'm kinda smart. Not the smartest. But good enough. Bullshit meter runs of solar power and it was a VERY hot summer. Besides, I can be funny too. And I'm not a witch...I'm like you! "

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 10:04 PM #
  20. Andrew

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    The Onion has the best article on "Dobbs" affair:,2852/

    (The photo in this one is a little funnier but the story is shorter):,2851/

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 10:12 PM #
  21. missing_kskd

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    CJ, that would be awesome!! (much needed too)

    Now, that said, I'm sorry but the Republicans opening up the "big asshole" tent is fact. Ugly fact. I know it sucks, but so does the millions of dollars being spent, coming from god knows where, to convince the American people to continue to vote against their own interests.

    I just don't play well with that. Never have, never will.

    If there is one thing in life I've learned, it's that the size of one's bank account is no measure of their character or worthiness. The fact that it takes millions, anonymous millions to keep the nation on this very bad path says all I need to hear.

    Given how most people are rapidly becoming completely fucked over, and have no chance at matching those dollars, the only real check we have on that is honest, brutal, and regular discourse.

    If there is a better path, given the state of things, like you said: Sell me. I'm all ears, and it's not like I've not demonstrated that here many, many times.

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 10:23 PM #
  22. "Dodger, please show me where you got name called."

    I'm not certain, but I think he was refering to the title of the thread, "American Hypocrite."

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 10:28 PM #
  23. This is another example of conservative hypocrisy: I heard this guy once when I was in Reno saying on the air something like this "We need a police and immigration check point on I-80 to stop illegals and mexican drug dealers, they are poisoning our kids". I guess he didn't like competition:

    RENO — Reno businessman and former radio talk show host Walter Edward Floyd, aka Eddie Floyd, age 59, pleaded guilty today in U.S. District Court in Reno to laundering drug monies, announced Daniel G. Bogden, United States Attorney for the District of Nevada.

    Floyd, owner of several Reno-area companies, including U.S. Realty, Nevada Matters, and CADCO, Inc., and the former host of “Nevada and America Matters” on KBDB-AM, was indicted in February on conspiracy to manufacture and distribute marijuana and money laundering charges. Today, he pleaded guilty to one count of Money Laundering and Aiding and Abetting, and admitted that he assisted his son and another man to launder the proceeds of their marijuana trafficking activities in northern California. He is scheduled to be sentenced on March 30, 2007, at 10:00 a.m. before U.S. District Judge Roger L. Hunt, and faces up to 20 years in prison and a $500,000 fine. full story

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 10:29 PM #
  24. missing_kskd

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    Once again, it's time for basic "grade school" discussion.

    Let's talk about name calling vs criticism.

    So, we've got Weyland. I've never met a Weyland, and really only have ever seen the name in the "Aliens" movies, so I think it's pretty safe to use here. Wouldn't want to nail somebody out of hand right? If you are named Weyland, I am truly sorry. No harm intended, and let's have a beer.


    Name calling is a negative characterization, lacking material support, and that generally devalues a person.

    Weyland is a fuck nut. That's name calling. So is Weyland sucks, or look at that ass clown Weyland.

    I think you get the idea.

    Criticism is when we detail a known bad behavior in terms that associate a given person, with said behavior. In particular, that behavior has to be supportable, or it could be ruled a simple ad-homineim attack, and that's simply not productive for a lot of reasons, most of them discussed in high school, BTW.

    Ok then.

    Weyland is a racist. That's criticism that also comes with the burden of demonstrating racist behavior, AND the intent to be racist. Honestly, that's pretty tough, which is why I generally avoid that kind of direct criticism.

    Look at that, Weyland is acting like a racist. Good grief. That really sucks ass.

    Now we've a mixed bag, don't we?

    The burden of proof on "acting like, or sounding like" a racist, bigot, theocrat, is a lot lower than just flat out tagging somebody as a racist, bigot, etc...

    Notice the subtle word use here. I've said that Weyland is acting like a racist, and that behavior really sucks ass. Now, I know the subject there is implied, but that's not too tough is it? Hope not. Most importantly, I did not actually call Weyland a racist. This is very important to understand! Really what happened here is some nice, healthy, all American, push back, in good form, because it's not easily deflected, yet it packs most of the punch that comes with full on "Weyland is a racist". That too, is very important to understand, because doing that is the difference between keeping some high ground, and a potentially productive discussion, and a ad-hominem mine field.

    So, in the post above, Dodger claimed a name call. Well, that didn't happen. What I did do, was express my opinion that the majority of the GOP base are those ugly things. Given the current state of the party platform, the many statements, acts, and such that align with that characterization, I'll sleep perfectly well at night. I've a great case for that, and that's simply good enough for the commentary contributed here.

    No where did I actually say that Dodger is any of those things, though it is worth noting that he appears to have closely identified with the GOP base enough to associate criticism of it with his person, in order to substantiate his claim of name calling.

    That's a mistake, by the way. I didn't do that. Trust me when I say, if I actually did mean to do that, I absolutely would not fuck it up that badly. k? I know how to name call, and just fucking nail it. Easy cheezy. Not only did I specifically NOT do that, but I did the work to make the ugly point in a way that would allow the discussion here to continue. Notice Dodger did not. That's the difference, because now here we are discussing name calling vs criticism, like we often do hate vs disregard.

    I'm posting this up, because that "name calling is bad" line comes up as the number one response to criticism leveled against somebody who demonstrates behavior strongly associated with racism, bigotry, theocracy, etc...

    Here's the rub. We need to be able to do that. Has to happen. Our first amendment assures us that it can, in fact, happen, and there is a reason for that; namely, if we tolerate the bigots, where we don't actually call them out as bigots, for example, then we are going to live in a world filled with bigots, because they won't have any reason to do otherwise.

    Sorry. That's rough, but absolutely necessary. That first amendment is not a shield. Act like an ass, and some people are going to haul off and call us an ass. If that behavior is actually "ass like", well it's criticism, not simple name calling.

    Name calling, while protected under that same amendment, is frowned upon, because it doesn't add any value to the discussion, only devaluing some participant, or target of it. A good example would be calling somebody a ass, that just isn't. Big difference.

    Some of that is arbitrary. That means there is some slop in the system, sufficient to chill most speech of this kind, for the simple fact that somebody might run afoul of the whole works. That's how it is supposed to work, and that subtle bit is often abused by people Palin style, where the claim of criticism infringing on the right to free speech completely ignores the day to day accountability we all mutually benefit from.

    So, are we clear on the difference now?

    Posted on October 7, 2010 - 10:43 PM #
  25. NoParty

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    That's what we thought!

    Posted on October 9, 2010 - 02:57 PM #
  26. dodger

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    Here's dodger.....what do you want? You think if I throw a few F*&k's and s*%t's into my dialogue I might score higher on the smackdown scale?
    Here, let me SCHOOL you kiddies:
    November 2010, you will be able to bitch and moan for another 4 years minimum.
    The "23%ers" seem to be growing, or is it that the 77%ers are shrinking?

    Posted on October 9, 2010 - 04:01 PM #
  27. missing_kskd

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    We shall see. I do not believe it's going to be the smackdown you say it is.

    But, let's just say it is --among friends, right?

    Will it be that the American people want more economic regression, and believe that racism, bigotry, theocracy are the true American values


    will it be the anonymous millions pouring in through the door opened by the GOP, placing corporate justices on the court, who ruled corporations are people?

    Put simply, it won't be a clean win. More importantly, I don't see the GOP actually posting up policy propositions that will improve things. It's the same old same old, tired not wired, regressive policy platform we've been brutalized with for 30 years.

    As for the shits, and fucks. I get to do that. That's real conversation, and those words express the emotional content of my posts very well. Ugly things require ugly words. This isn't Disneyland, and you will note the profanity is no where near the substantive value of the posts, meaning the profanity is in good form, being used to reinforce the speech, not act as the core value of the speech.

    It would take a short book to explain the emotion felt during that other post. Why do that, when 4 letters and a period serve nicely to frame it up? You tell me.

    Obama getting elected huge? That was clean. The people want change, and economic progress. No question. The only reason we are even having this discussion is that change and progress didn't happen on a time scale that works for people.

    As I recall, the entire GOP dedicated itself to saying "no" to those things, so how much of that lack of progress is Obama's problem exactly?

    Not a hell of a lot. Frankly, the people should be most pissed at the coin operated Democrats, who left most of the great legislation passed in the House, on the floor of the Senate...

    We know the GOP isn't about anything but social regression and big business. That's expected. The Democrats are about economic progress, and having some coin operated ones in the mix didn't help things any.

    The only difference between, say Ben Nelson, and your average Republican, is Ben has the self-respect necessary to not be associated with the 23 percenters, and your average Republican does not.

    We need to get rid of Ben, filling the seat with far better Democrats. That's why I'm voting straight Dem ticket this year, then will be active in growing support for better Dems.

    Two ways that can happen. We take more GOP seats, increasing the non-coin operated, generally progressive Democrats, or we challenge bad Democrats, and take the seats directly. Either is fine.

    Posted on October 9, 2010 - 04:06 PM #
  28. dodger:Here, let me SCHOOL you kiddies

    Yes, we know all about your SCHOOLing, after watching a 20-second video you can declare Loretta Sanchez a racist. Are you really a Christian?

    And about November - there is old saying - don't count your chickens before they are hatched. Remember all politics are local, so I don't give Gallup much credence.

    Posted on October 9, 2010 - 04:23 PM #
  29. NoParty

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    You had your 8 years and your guy F'd up! America voted twice to put your guy in the White House and what he did won't be fixed for at least another 4-6 years. Think what you want and say what you want. The reason for the shit storm we're in isn't because of 2 years. Thinking any different would just be plain ignorance.

    Posted on October 9, 2010 - 06:59 PM #
  30. NoParty

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    And about November - there is old saying - don't count your chickens before they are hatched.

    There's another one...
    Be careful what you wish for... 2000 thru 2008 was a SCREAMING reminder of that.


    Posted on October 9, 2010 - 07:01 PM #

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