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  1. This article pretty much describes issues I have with the current Presidential Administration. I approve of the tone of this article.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/28/AR2009092802484.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 09:10 AM #
  2. Boy, this is a good article. It expresses my " Hey man, you promised us some change - we haven't forgotten. If you can't get it done, this is your fault."

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 09:17 AM #
  3. As I expected, he's self destructing and will be a one term President.

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 09:20 AM #
  4. Did you have an 'issue' with President Bush reading 'My Pet Goat' to third graders? Did Richard Cohen?

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 09:20 AM #
  5. TALPDX

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    Seven months in and he’s already a has been? With public opinion polls placing his popularity above 50 percent, I doubt he’ll be a one term president. Reagan’s popularity was in the tank during the middle of his first term – as was Bill Clinton’s. If Obama’s numbers are running in the low to mid 40’s 2 years from now, I’ll be concerned. But right now, he’s doing fine (better than fine).

    Honestly, who are the Republicans run against Obama? Can you imagine any of the pantheon of GOP greats serving in elective office today (or recently served) running a more effective campaign than Obama? Tim Pawlenty, Haley Barbour, Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney? If we were talking about professional baseball, this crop of players wouldn’t make a single A team. They are as weak as the last bunch.

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 09:33 AM #
  6. Andy_brown

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    You can't turn the Queen Mary on a dime. I think those of you looking for instantaneous gratification of any kind are misguided or predisposed to the negative opinion. Considering the absolute mess the previous administration left behind, it is not surprising that it is not all fixed yet. Frankly, I'm in a lot worse shape as a result of GOP avarice and the greed of Wall Street than most of you. Fat and sassy complainers with no real hardships to conquer are the worst kind. If all you can do is complain about how things aren't changing fast enough, perhaps you should better occupy yourself reading William Saphire's column that ran today in the Oregonian about how to read op-ed columns.

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 10:20 AM #
  7. The ' My Pet Goat ' ( " The Pet Goat ") incident wasnt an example of indecision , it was an example of continuing on with a scheduled 'moment' while more information was being gathered to determine the proper course for the President to take. Much of this was reccomended by the President's handlers BTW and that could be for better or worse ultimately as it turned out .

    And I should point out that Osama Bin Laden climbed aboard the " Goat Wagon " by declaring that his henchmen had more time to execute thier dastardly deeds because W took no action for 7 minutes while reading " The Pet Goat " ...which is patently B.S. as the first flight was already executed and the second 2 hijackings were firmly set in motion with that 7 minutes of Presidential book reading to make NO difference in those outcomes , especially considering the apparent internal confusion of the Stragic Air Command . Bin Laden only said what he said about this as a propoganda tool to embarass Geo. W Bush...followed up closely by Michael Moore, of course . Not that W didnt make any mistakes in his Presidency, but that not withstanding , I dont think finishing the chapter of the Goat story to those elementary school kids was one of them .

    And there is more to being President than just Campaigning for it, much more...

    Fat and sassy huh ? The Queen Mary needs a Captain who knows how to command , get all the myriad of key people on the same page who know how to run the ship and steer it away from the Icebergs.

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 10:24 AM #
  8. Vitalogy

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    Richard Cohen supported the invasion of Iraq. Why should he have any credibilty on his issues with Obama?

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 10:27 AM #
  9. Vitalogy

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    The Pet Goat scenario was a metaphor for the ineptitude of Bush's presidency. Clearly in over his head, surrounded by likeminded idiots, unable to react to a major terrorist attack because he flat out didn't know what to do. The look on his face said it all.

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 10:30 AM #
  10. A lot of people supported the invasion of Iraq...so did Hillary Clinton ..so did Bill Clinton ...so did a whole host of other left leaning notables...so what does that prove??? nothing at all...just more smoke screening and mitigating from the usual assasins...

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 10:32 AM #
  11. Vitalogy

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    Hillary and Bill DID NOT support the invasion. Get your facts straight.

    For the people that DID support it, they were wrong.

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 10:37 AM #
  12. TALPDX

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    “And there is more to being President than just Campaigning for it, much more...”

    With that being said, I’m perplexed as to what exactly President Obama isn’t doing relative to the matters illustrated in Cohen’s column? What is Obama going to do, unilaterally force the Europeans, Russians and Chinese to severe diplomatic relations and engage Iran in the same fashion we do? We tend to forget most of the world has diplomatic relations with Iran. We don’t. After the gunboat diplomacy model used by Bush and Company during the past 8 years, I think a bit of circumspection might be necessary. But to surmise that Obama can on his own force Iran to behave is plainly naïve. Counties all over the globe, from China to Russia, to members of the EU, are invested in Iran financially and diplomatically. This is not a particularly easy situation to unwind. And dropping a few bombs on Iran WILL NOT be our salvation – it would be the complete opposite. Iran is not Iraq (and we see how well that turned out). It is not some backwater country with a rube-like population.

    The only real leverage we have in this situation is dropping bombs but that would turn out to be an unmitigated disaster (and just plain stupid -- we tried that recently and it didn't work too well). Our other option (less attrative to many hawks but much more realistic), is working in concert with our allies and not so friendly relations to get Iran to behave.

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 11:02 AM #
  13. littlesongs

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    Actually, Kennewickman is correct. The Clintons openly supported the invasion of Iraq. They both remained hawkish even when the facts showed that they were clearly wrong.

    If you watch her speech on the Senate floor, Hillary goes as far as to give credence to the imaginary connection between 9/11 and Saddam Hussein.

    Hillary Clinton speech to the Senate on Iraq War Resolution Part One

    Hillary Clinton speech to the Senate on Iraq War Resolution Part Two

    Even after the invasion, Bill Clinton continued to defend the President. Articles from the Washington Post, CNN and The Nation all confirm that he was not only supportive, but instrumental to both the strategy and sale of this war to the American people.

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 11:12 AM #
  14. missing_kskd

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    Well, I see a nice string of accomplishments already. The bigger picture stuff will take a while, and I've no worries yet.

    It is a big mess, and Obama gets to clean it up.

    My only other comment is before anybody goes bitching about what the President has or has not accomplished, let's recognize the Republicans blatant interference. When there is one party looking to cause failure, cultivate fear, sow and leverage doubt, and pollute the discussion with uncertainty, I'm inclined to give the administration a pass.

    ...or do you all want it rammed through?

    Cake? Death? Both?

    IMHO, people have every right to be frustrated. Expectations surrounding the fixes need to be managed downward, all things considered.

    For me, if there is solid forward progress where I see ordinary people along with small to mid sized business getting serious, or even top consideration, I'm ok with the process.

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 11:30 AM #
  15. Looking for instant gratification is not the only thing that motivates me to want things to change as soon as possible. If I am being impatient, then I'll take my lumps. Plus, I am always eager to prove/show that I am no sheep. But there are all kinds of reasons I had hoped to be in a slightly different position by now with Obama and very few of them have to do with me financially. I want some tangible victories. Sue me.

    I do not believe he will be a 1 term President. I'd voite for him again right now. How's that for a clear picture of where I stand?

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 11:35 AM #
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    As I expected, he's self destructing and will be a one term President.

    Just like HW Bush was right??? But if you guys run out PAINlin and McSame again your toast!

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 11:47 AM #
  17. missing_kskd

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    Yeah, I hear that.

    I was very dissappointed in the Stimulus. Started out being reasonable, then got watered down to this tepid thing that really isn't doing anything but a warm fuzzy. Obama could have led a whole lot better on that.

    The bank bill is a disaster, IMHO. Clearest example of why money and corporate politics are serious issues we have yet to make any significant progress on.

    Obama: Let's deal with banks.

    Congress: Sure!

    Banks: There will be consequenses.

    Congress: Oh crap! Let's meet at Bill Shillers place and figure this out.

    Bank Lobby: Gents, we have bags and bags of money. Give our regards to the FED.

    Congress: We have lots of pens, let's make a deal.

    Obama: Just give me these basic reforms and you guys work the rest out.

    Media: It's Washington VS the Banks!

    Congress: We need loop holes that are hard to talk about, and we need time, or they are going to hammer us.

    Harry Reid: Everybody happy?

    Republicans: NO!

    Bank Lobby: We need a year to change our business model, and we need these specific loop holes written in.

    Reid & Pelosi: Everybody happy?

    Everyone: Yes!

    Obama: "On this day we begin the process of making sure banks are working for us" Signs it.

    Press: Now we see who really is in charge. [numerous articles follow detailing how banks shift profit around at any cost.

    Banks: See how that works? We get our money the easy way, or the hard way! Let that be a lesson in how not to ever attempt to regulate us again, and by the way, enjoy those double minimum payments, and rate hikes. We've got a whole year to milk you guys and we think it's a record breaker. Cheers, and don't forget to buy lots of stock.

    Yeah, I've got issues, but it's early. I honestly think the inertia surrounding a lot of things takes a ton of time and effort to shift.

    I would rate the stimulus a c- maybe. Bank bill a f+.

    Lots of other smaller things are getting done though! IMHO, it all adds up, and there is lots of time yet.

    Banks: Fuck Off.

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 11:48 AM #
  18. Anonymous

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    At least Obama is trying... DUHbya was on vacation for the first 6 months and IGNORED every PDBing that the FBI and CIA had on Bin Laden!

    If a neo-CON can please tell us what it was that DUHbya did in his first 9 months while in office and compare it to the DISASTER that DUHbya and Co. left Obama I'm sure you will find that for DUHbya it was like a trip to Disneyland....

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 11:51 AM #
  19. Andy_brown

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    George Harrison: "And while the Pope owns 51% of General Motors
    And the stock exchange is the only thing he's qualified to quote us"

    Us: "Now WE own 70% of General Motors and the stock exchange is still being run by the same morons that got us into this mess."

    Banks: "F#ck off, we like it, we've paid back the bail out money and now there's nothing you can do to stop us."

    http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/28/news/companies/wall_street_bonuses/?postversion=2009092815

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 12:00 PM #
  20. missing_kskd

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    Yeah, there is that. Good thing too.

    After considering this for a while, you know who I'm pissed off at?

    Harry "I've got plastic, cosmetic balls" Reid. There have been a whole string of tepid results to what could have been really great legislation. At key points along the way Reid manages to figure out a way to marginalize good ideas, while looking like he's just balancing the power.

    I want this guy gone. Big.

    If he were a Republican, he would be crying big baby tears on TV, wondering why everybody he knows just ex-communicated him, why he suddenly has more investigations tied to his finances, and can't seem to get a word in edgewise with anybody that matters. They would have scared him shitless, and if he didn't play ball, tossed him on some trumped up charge in a second!

    I don't like those kind of politics, but I really don't like this passive / aggressive Reid -->Excellence through marginalization, games he plays.

    Hell, Pelosi has shown she has a pair, which makes me wonder if Reid just didn't "drop" as a kid. Damn, he's killing us.

    Just today you can find the stories where momentum again builds for public option. What does Reid do? Does he channel that and try to get some good legislation?

    No, he makes some crap comments to make it clear that "HE DOES NOT WORK FOR OBAMA", and "HE DOES NOT WORK FOR US EITHER". Just who the hell does he work for?

    Bet they have big bags of money, or some plan to keep him from getting absolutely trounced this coming election.

    I swear he's scared shitless he might be seen for the wisp he is, if anything material actually gets done. Real change will leave him wondering why he even came to office.

    Boot Harry Reid, and Obama looks one hell of a lot better.

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 12:08 PM #
  21. Andy_brown

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    Thomas Jefferson: "If the American people ever allowed the banks to control the issuance of their currency, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied."

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 12:21 PM #
  22. skeptical

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    Obama is owning just about every decision he's made -- very little is being blamed on the guy who held office before him.

    This breath of fresh air will earn Obama a second term no matter how things turn out by 2012 and its eating alive many a conservative.

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 12:59 PM #
  23. Vitalogy:

    The Pet Goat scenario was a metaphor for the ineptitude of Bush's presidency. Clearly in over his head, surrounded by likeminded idiots, unable to react to a major terrorist attack because he flat out didn't know what to do. The look on his face said it all.

    Your correct, but what the hell was the CiC doing in the classroom? It was a photo-op meant to sell his No Child Left Behind legislation.

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 01:02 PM #
  24. Andy_brown

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    "very little is being blamed on the guy who held office before him."

    Depends on whom you ask. In reality, Bush's presidency allowed the GOP to implement their evil plans that up to that point had been blocked by Clinton. So who's really to blame? Does it really matter at this point?

    "eating alive many a conservative."

    Every cloud has a silver lining.

    "It has always been denied by the republican party in this country, that the Constitution had given the power of incorporation to Congress. On the establishment of the Bank of the United States, this was the great ground on which that establishment was combated; and the party prevailing supported it only on the argument of its being an incident to the power given them for raising money." --Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Maese, 1809. ME 12:231

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 01:13 PM #
  25. I agree with Andy and Missing to some extent when they both suggest that there are some other forces operating here besides the actions of the President. Those forces and the antagonistic effects they have upon our progress as a planetary species is something that has been about for a very long time.

    I believe , if I have my history correct , this business with banking and the question of Nationalizing the banks versus just having a (ultimately) Federal Reserve Bank, or not, came to a head in the 1820s and 30s in the form of the dynamic political duels of John Adams, John C Calhoun and Andrew Jackson.

    And I agree that Harry Reid is a bigger problem that Pelosi . It is self evident right now with the swing in attitude of the Independents that installed Obama into office last year. That swing in attitude of that demographic has driven much of the over all vaselation regarding , and especially, the Healthcare bill controversies..as the tsunami of the previous early 2009 legislation bill passages dissipated into apparent trepidation.

    Or in other words, the " political will " changed to a certain degree based upon the perceptions of mainly the Independent voters who made a large difference in the Presidential election last November.

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 01:29 PM #
  26. kennewickman:

    This article pretty much describes issues I have with the current Presidential Administration. I approve of the tone of this article.

    Would you mind listing the issues that you agree with Cohen, kennewickman? Please list the order of importance and show us what President Obama should have said/done. So far you've said almost nothing about the article.

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 04:39 PM #
  27. edselehr

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    It bothers me that Obama seems to have a few too many political insiders in the roles closest to him - Rahm Emanual foremost of them. These people may have served a purpose in his initial (naive) push for bipartisanship in Washington. Now that the Republicans have made it clear they have no interest in working with the President, he should reshuffle his staff, dismiss the inside-the-beltway players, and replace them with progressives of vision and purpose. Obama doesn't need a deal-cutter like Rahm anymore, just a crew to move forward his campaigned-upon pledge of change, and some arm-twisters to keep his Democratic Majority from wandering. He should hire Tom DeLay as a consultant - he knew how to wrangle his own party members and keep them strong and unified.

    Posted on September 29, 2009 - 11:29 PM #
  28. skeptical

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    "Rahm Emanual foremost of them"

    Really, I'm thinking he's on my list for 2016.

    "He should hire Tom DeLay as a consultant"

    I dunno, I think Obama should try channeling LBJ for strong arm expertise before going anywhere near that toxic piece of [censored]!

    Posted on September 30, 2009 - 12:26 AM #
  29. littlesongs

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    I have issues with this President too. At the same time, I am willing to be patient and see how it all plays out. Congress, on the other hand, is being unbelievably stupid. Like whack yourself in the head with a 2X4 and complain about the pain kind of dumb.

    At this juncture, I am not seeing an immediate indifference to the poor like Reagan, or an instant erosion of common sense environmental laws like Bush, or a trail of dirty panties like Clinton, or a long vacation followed by a deadly terrorist attack like Bush.

    So, while I am disappointed about the pace and direction of many things, I am delighted by the competent and confident nature of the man in charge. The honeymoon is over to be sure, but for the first time I am not nauseated by the gentleman in the White House.

    I share concerns about some of his staff. Rahm Emanuel is definitely on my list. His economic advisers are also far too inside to make me entirely comfortable. While it is a good idea to hire a reformed hacker for security work, it seems like hiring a team made up of hackers could be trouble.

    BTW, it is an interesting article and getting more into the specifics -- like Pete suggested -- is a good idea.

    Posted on September 30, 2009 - 09:25 AM #
  30. Notalent

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    "Now that the Republicans have made it clear they have no interest in working with the President..."

    This statement should read:

    Now that the Republicans have made it clear that they are not any more willing to work with the President than the Democrats were with the previous administration..."

    I guess its unbelievable to some that actual disagreement could happen in this age of his Excellency.

    Bush thought the Dems would work with him too...

    This is all just political trickery... as if the opposition (of either party) should just cave, abandon any principals they may have and go directly against those who voted them into office.

    It's a laugh, blasting the opposition for opposing.

    Clearly thats what the opposition is there for.

    time to stop the juvenile finger pointing and start debating the actual issues. there is plenty of room for opposition.

    If Obamas policies are strong enough they will stand on their own merit in the face of any and all opposition.

    Blaming the opposition for opposing is nothing more than a distraction from the actual issues.

    Posted on September 30, 2009 - 09:59 AM #
  31. Vitalogy

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    Have you seen what you're opposing lately?

    The bottom line is that the majority of American voters elected a Democratic President and gave both the Senate and the House Democratic majorities. All Republicans can do is sit in their own poopy diaper and cry about it without offering any other solutions. The GOP is the party of NO. NO America, you can't have what you voted for as a majority.

    People voted for Obama to push his agenda because they agree with it. Now it's time to bulldoze over the minority and get what the people voted for done.

    Posted on September 30, 2009 - 10:39 AM #
  32. No bulldozing going on here and not likely to be , especially on this issue of healthcare. The American people have joined in this debate enough to get the attention of key Democrats and Republicans. The attention has of course raised the spectre of 're-election' to these politicians. These Dems dont want to screw the pooch now. So it will be ' steady as she goes' from now on regarding Heathcare. There will be a bill. And it is not likely to have a public option now. The bill will be better than what we have had heretofore .

    Posted on September 30, 2009 - 12:42 PM #
  33. Vitalogy

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    "The American people have joined in this debate enough to get the attention of key Democrats and Republicans."

    No they haven't. Obama and the Democrats ran on getting healthcare reform done and the people chose them over the "opposition." The people making all the noise are a minority.

    Posted on September 30, 2009 - 12:59 PM #
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    "There will be a bill. And it is not likely to have a public option now. The bill will be better than what we have had heretofore ."

    I wouldn't be so quick to jump to that conclusion on any of those three points.
    There may not be a bill.
    If there is a bill, it may contain a "public option" that may or may not include a govt. run insurance.
    If there is a bill, it may not be better than what "we" have now. Any bill that continues to shut out
    the uninsured, underinsured and is a giant giveaway to the insurance companies is hardly better than
    what we have now.

    Sen. Wyden said last night after the finance committee caved was that the fight is far from over.
    The public outcry will be heard. If not in the short term, it will play out later. Democrats in the
    pocket of the insurance company won't stand much of a chance of re-election if they continue
    to cave. If the current group of Democrats can't get this done, the public will elect Democrats
    who will.

    Posted on September 30, 2009 - 01:03 PM #
  35. Notalent

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    Healthcare reform as currently presented has 41% approval, 57% disapproval...

    The people making the noise for reform appear to be the minority currently.

    Posted on September 30, 2009 - 01:39 PM #
  36. missing_kskd

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    Now that the Republicans have made it clear that they are not any more willing to work with the President than the Democrats were with the previous administration..."

    This is crap.

    The previous administration not only wouldn't work with Democrats, they took clear steps to marginalize them in every way.

    False equivalence.

    Posted on September 30, 2009 - 01:43 PM #
  37. Andy_brown

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    Notalent: Would you be so kind as to cite your source.

    "As currently presented" meaning what, since there are currently multiple proposals still in play?

    "The people making the noise for reform appear to be the minority, currently"

    That is outright inaccurate. In fact, a poll released today states that 63% of Americans are willing
    to pay higher taxes to fund healthcare reform.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090930/ts_nm/us_healthcare_survey

    Posted on September 30, 2009 - 01:50 PM #
  38. Notalent

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    Interesting how paying more = reform.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform

    flame away.

    Posted on September 30, 2009 - 02:19 PM #
  39. littlesongs

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    Interesting how Rasmussen always has the appearance of partisan statistical noise in their issue based polls.

    Hydrant wide open.

    Posted on September 30, 2009 - 02:33 PM #
  40. " The American people " being , in majority , the independent voters. Enough of them are paying attention to this debate and have chimed in enough to get the attention of the Democratic legislators in their districts who were swept in by the Independents voting sentiments last November.

    That is why those stats Notalent posted seem to be so lopsided. People are listening to this and dont want what OBamacare originally proposed, now a modified version of this is always possible and with a contigency of grass roots support. There is still a lot of posturing going on .

    Personally, I dont have a problem with a public plan as long as there were rules governing its' scope of authority.

    Posted on September 30, 2009 - 03:12 PM #
  41. Actually, a NY Times/CBS Poll shows 65% people favor a Public option.

    http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2009/09/25/us/politics/25pollgrx.html

    Posted on September 30, 2009 - 03:58 PM #
  42. missing_kskd

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    The rules are simple: This is health care insurance reform.

    We reduce cost and risk exposure faced by ordinary people. We force the companies to compete, and we do that because we know robust competition means we get good value for our dollars.

    All of the fear surrounding "government take over" is just that. If we structure our system so that there is competition, we see better value for the dollar and less waste. Done right, that will be economic stimulus, and life will get a notch better for most people.

    If we had even a fraction of the concern over "authority" as we seem to right now, it's highly likely private insurers would have grown to be the issue they are today.

    The real fight is over corporate profit and whether or not those making the profit are actually adding value to justify earning it.

    The private insurers have a good scene and will attempt to maintain that or improve it, if they can. If they have it really good, we don't!

    And that's the whole scope of this in a nutshell.

    We will find the authority issues to be non-issues, once we've dealt with this very ugly insurance problem. Where it is an issue, we have our ballots to deal with it. As things stand right now, we only have very cursory and indirect means to check things we don't like. Corporate board rooms are quite a few steps removed from our civic process.

    That's why we have a problem.

    Posted on September 30, 2009 - 06:04 PM #
  43. Notalent

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    Oh yeah I completely forgot to contemplate that the NYTimes was non partisan!!

    My bad!

    Clearly how one asks the question changes the answer considerably!

    Shocking!!

    Posted on September 30, 2009 - 09:46 PM #
  44. littlesongs

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    Missing will appreciate this brand new poll from the Kaiser Family Foundation. It clearly shows that someone has no talent for reading trends. Support is actually growing for health care reform.

    Without looking, can you guess the percentage of people who said that their families would be "worse off with reform" in this survey?

    Yes, that's right folks, it was 23%.

    Posted on October 1, 2009 - 01:07 AM #
  45. missing_kskd

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    Posted on October 1, 2009 - 07:16 AM #
  46. Clearly there are people with no talent that doesn't know the difference between a poll (Rasmussen) that asks if the public is happy with what is going on in DC and a poll (NYT/CBS) that asks what they desire.

    Posted on October 1, 2009 - 07:48 AM #
  47. Notalent

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    Wow! Personal attacks... Again I'm shocked!

    Of course if you ask people if they'd like something of value paid for by someone else they will say yes.

    When they look at what the president and congress are actually putting on the table more people (on both sides) dissaprove.

    I'm sure many progressives dont like what is being offered with the public option off the table.

    Posted on October 1, 2009 - 10:33 AM #
  48. Vitalogy

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    Why are conservatives afraid of a government option? Is it because they think it will make things more expensive for everyone, or is it simply a ideology issue?

    Posted on October 1, 2009 - 10:42 AM #
  49. Andy_brown

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    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” ~ Will Rogers

    Posted on October 1, 2009 - 10:45 AM #
  50. " Why are conservatives afraid of a government option? "

    Because if Obama pulls off a successful plan, there will generations of Democrats that will use it as a campaign platform. Claiming we can't afford it is a lie. True Healthcare reform will be too much of a success for Republicans to overcome for too long. It's just easier to make it hard and suck any of the fun out of it.

    Posted on October 1, 2009 - 11:05 AM #

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