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  • Started 3 years ago by fairandbalanced
  • Latest reply from NoParty

  1. Voters give Republicans a 10 point edge over Democrats regarding economy, 45% to 35%:
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/trust_on_issues

    57% favor repeal of health care law:
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law

    Generic congressional ballet--Republicans 44% Democrats 38%
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot

    Obama approval rating at just 44%:
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

    Obama tied with or slightly trailing Romney, and just 7 points ahead of Bachmann:
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/election_2012_obama_leads_perry_bachmann_by_single_digits

    I'm posting this because I see so much on this forum about the public being unhappy with the Republicans, that they're toast, etc., but the polls don't reflect this. The USA is not Portland. It is right of center.

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 02:51 PM #
  2. Amus

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    Rasmussen again.
    No surprise.
    We've covered this ground before.

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 03:13 PM #
  3. Andy_brown

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    "I'm posting this because"

    One poll by a partisan organization is worth less than vomit.
    Sort of like everything you post.
    There is always an equal and opposite poll showing the reverse.
    It's basic math/science.

    Follow the money. Who paid Rasmussen to do the poll?

    And don't refer to a series of questions within a poll as polls(plural).
    You wrote " but the polls" which is improper English, since there is
    only one poll that you refer to.

    F&B's grades:

    Math F
    Science F
    English F

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 04:06 PM #
  4. outsider

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    In the 1830s, Lowell Mason set the nursery rhyme to a melody adding repetition in the verses:

    Mary had a little lamb,
    little lamb, little lamb,
    Mary had a little lamb,
    whose fleece was white as snow.

    And everywhere that Mary went,
    Mary went, Mary went,
    and everywhere that Mary went,
    the lamb was sure to go.

    It followed her to school one day
    school one day, school one day,
    It followed her to school one day,
    which was against the rules.

    It made the children laugh and play,
    laugh and play, laugh and play,
    it made the children laugh and play
    to see a lamb at school.

    And so the teacher turned it out,
    turned it out, turned it out,
    And so the teacher turned it out,
    but still it lingered near,

    And waited patiently about,
    patiently about, patiently about,
    And waited patiently about
    till Mary did appear.

    "Why does the lamb love Mary so?"
    Love Mary so? Love Mary so?
    "Why does the lamb love Mary so,"
    the eager children cry.

    "Why, Mary loves the lamb, you know."
    The lamb, you know, the lamb, you know,
    "Why, Mary loves the lamb, you know,"
    the teacher did reply.

    (Good enough for you Andy?)

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 04:41 PM #
  5. Andy_brown

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    Done editing your post, outsider?

    I don't think you speak for "us all."

    Not one bit.

    As far as my fascination with the monotopic troll you referred to in the post you edited,
    what's it to you? I hate trolls. F&BS is a troll. He has been a troll since the day he arrived,
    and proceeded to make hundreds of posts in two days to gain some kind of (in his mind)
    credibility. Guess what, he didn't gain not one iota of worthiness. So that's your answer,
    not that I owe you one. After all, I do read a lot more threads than I comment in, and from
    the tone of things, it seems YOU are the one flaming enough posters around here to
    warrant the use of the word "us" when it comes to those irritated by you.

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 04:49 PM #
  6. Rasmussen isn't partisan.

    Thanks for the support outsider (and I realize you are not supporting my pov).

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 04:56 PM #
  7. outsider

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    Well, hold on and I'll go back and edit it more.

    But, what's it to me? Well, I'll tell you: I'd like to see you debate F&B on the merits of the subject matter without all the crap you throw in there.

    And you using "US" in the same manner you object to me doing, is contradictory, at best. How can you claim I don't speak for others, then turn around claim you do?

    Wow.

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 04:57 PM #
  8. "Rasmussen isn't partisan."

    And the Pope isn't Catholic.

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 04:59 PM #
  9. Andy_brown

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    "Rasmussen isn't partisan."

    Yes they are. In more ways than one.
    They are not using the public as a pool of respondents.
    They are polling at its worst. Endorsed only by right wing
    organizations like The Wall Street Journal.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasmussen_Reports#Criticism

    Nate Silver
    In 2010, Nate Silver of the New York Times blog FiveThirtyEight wrote the article “Is Rasmussen Reports biased?”, in which he mostly defended Rasmussen from allegations of bias. [22]. However, by later in the year, Rasmussen's polling results diverged notably from other mainstream pollsters, which Silver labeled a 'house effect.'[23] He went on to explore other factors which may have explained the effect such as the use of a likely voter model,[24] and claimed that Rasmussen conducted its polls in a way that excluded the majority of the population from answering. [25] Silver also criticized Rasmussen for often only polling races months before the election, which prevented them from having polls just before the election which could be assessed for accuracy. In response, he wrote that he was “looking appropriate ways to punish pollsters” like Rasmussen in his pollster rating models who don’t poll in the final days before an election. [26]
    After Election night that year, Silver concluded that Rasmussen's polls were the least accurate of the major pollsters in 2010, having an average error of 5.8 points and a pro-Republican bias of 3.9 points according to Silver's model. [27] He singled out as an example the Hawaii Senate Race, which Rasmussen showed the incumbent 13 points ahead, where he in actuality won by 53[28] - a difference of 40 points, or "the largest error ever recorded in a general election in FiveThirtyEight’s database, which includes all polls conducted since 1998."[27]
    [edit]Other
    TIME has described Rasmussen Reports as a "conservative-leaning polling group".[29] According to Charles Franklin, a University of Wisconsin political scientist who co-developed Pollster.com,[30] “He [Rasmussen] polls less favorably for Democrats, and that’s why he’s become a lightning rod." Franklin also said: "It’s clear that his results are typically more Republican than the other person’s results.”[31]
    The Center For Public Integrity has claimed that Scott Rasmussen was a paid consultant for the 2004 George W. Bush campaign.[32] The Washington Post reported "... the Bush reelection campaign used a feature on his site that allowed customers to program their own polls. Rasmussen asserted that he never wrote any of the questions or assisted Republicans in any way..." The do-it-yourself polling service is used by Democrats as well as Republicans today through a company that licenses Rasmussen’s methodology.
    Rasmussen has received criticism over the wording in its polls.[33][34] Asking a polling question with different wording can affect the results of the poll;[35] the commentators in question allege that the questions Rasmussen ask in polls are skewed in order to favor a specific response. For instance, when Rasmussen polled whether Republican voters thought Rush Limbaugh was the leader of their party, the specific question they asked was: "Agree or Disagree: 'Rush Limbaugh is the leader of the Republican Party -- he says jump and they say how high.'"[34]

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 05:06 PM #
  10. outsider

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    And in the spirit of things, I'll go ahead and write this post in honor of Andy and his fine influence on us all:

    Just who is rasmussen and why does he feel the need to report on anything?

    F&B is a fucking idiot.

    (There, how's that?)

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 05:09 PM #
  11. Andy_brown

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    " debate F&B on the merits of the subject matter without all the crap"

    That's the issue. F&BS's posts have no merit. They ARE crap.
    And it's always the same endgame with him ... clearly, you aren't
    really paying much attention. You seem more focused on criticisms
    of others than making much of a statement on the "subject matter."

    Go back and read your last twenty posts.

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 05:09 PM #
  12. outsider

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    And if I go back and read your last twenty posts, I fully expect to see you drop a big shit bomb on F&B each and every time.

    Don't tell me to go back and read my posts until you do the same yourself with your posts.

    I'd just like to see a bit more civil discussion, that's all.

    Can't we all just get along?

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 05:12 PM #
  13. When all else fails, attack the messenger. No wait, that's not how the wing nuts on this board work. Attack the messenger no matter what.

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 05:26 PM #
  14. outsider

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    Hi Deane. How's things in Nebraska?

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 05:36 PM #
  15. Andy_brown

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    Outsider, you're the worst party clown we ever hired. Payment on the check will be stopped, and your agency notified of your performance here.

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 05:40 PM #
  16. "Hi Deane. How's things in Nebraska?"

    Actually quite good. Business is up. Unemployment at 6%. Ben Nelson is in trouble after selling his soul to Obama. Weather's hot. Radio is cold.

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 05:55 PM #
  17. ""Rasmussen isn't partisan."

    And the Pope isn't Catholic."

    Rasmussen has been spot-on with his election polling. Do you have some examples of his polling that demonstrate partisanship? The proof is in how people vote, not in suspicions that he's cooking numbers to make one side feel good. He accurately predicted the numbers when Obama was elected.

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 06:27 PM #
  18. outsider

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    Oh geez Andy. I'm crushed. Whatever will I do now? Oh, woe is me, woe is me!

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 06:38 PM #
  19. Andrew

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    Hey, outsider, maybe you two should go get a room and...

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 06:39 PM #
  20. duxrule

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    "Rasmussen has been spot-on with his election polling. Do you have some examples of his polling that demonstrate partisanship? The proof is in how people vote, not in suspicions that he's cooking numbers to make one side feel good. He accurately predicted the numbers when Obama was elected."

    That information was posted in the previous discussion we had about Rasmussen's bias. Andy also posted quite a bit of information, if you'd care to read it.

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 06:42 PM #
  21. outsider

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    ....Hey, outsider, maybe you two should go get a room and....

    Beat the shit out of each other?

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 06:44 PM #
  22. outsider

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    ....Outsider, you're the worst party clown we ever hired....

    Blame it on Packard. He let me in here, so it's all his fault.

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 06:45 PM #
  23. missing_kskd

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    Hey now. We don't fuck with Dan.

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 07:49 PM #
  24. Brianl

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    Mr. Packard is the reason why **ALL** of us are here. And for that I am eternally thankful.

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 07:50 PM #
  25. "We don't fuck with Dan."

    Okay now I'm gonna have nightmares!!

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 07:54 PM #
  26. outsider

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    ....Hey now. We don't fuck with Dan....

    That was a mental picture none of us needed!

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 08:13 PM #
  27. john72ss

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    Mr. Packard is the reason why **ALL** of us are here. And for that I am eternally thankful.

    here here!

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 08:37 PM #
  28. Andy_brown

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    Here's some more interesting polls from Faux and Rasmussen from Friday last.

    General Election: Romney vs. Obama FOX News Obama 47, Romney 41 Obama +6
    General Election: Bachmann vs. Obama FOX News Obama 49, Bachmann 38 Obama +11
    General Election: Pawlenty vs. Obama FOX News Obama 47, Pawlenty 37 Obama +10
    General Election: Perry vs. Obama FOX News Obama 47, Perry 37 Obama +10
    General Election: Paul vs. Obama Rasmussen Obama 41, Paul 37 Obama +4

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com

    Early polls don't mean much. As I said, one poll from a partisan outfit like Faux or Rasmussen doesn't amount to much, either. But the trend is clear. Obama is not being blamed for the failure of the GOP to control their lunatic right wing fringe.

    Looks like Obama is in big trouble. NOT!!

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 09:45 PM #
  29. missing_kskd

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    The GOP is going to get cleaned out. Tea baggers forcing very extreme policy, poorly managed, costly. That's the most likely scenario.

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 10:39 PM #
  30. " Tea baggers forcing very extreme policy, poorly managed, costly. "

    To you, it's "costly" to cut taxes and reduce the wasteful and inefficient bureaucracy. But it's not costly to the taxpayers. Those being plundered do not see the Tea Party as extremist, but as people with common sense. The Tea Party is the best thing to happen since Ronald Reagan. I don't think voters are going to do an about face once again. The trend is with the Tea Party and the like-minded who want to cut the monster down to size.

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 11:02 PM #
  31. missing_kskd

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    Oh, I meant costly to the party.

    "The tax payers" by a majority support raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations, and they also support stimulus to put people to work to boost the economy too.

    As for "the trend", like I said, costly. "The People" are overwhelmingly moderate to progressive in their general economic views. Why? Because those are best aligned with their self-interests. That's a long running trend, easily found outside the self-referencing GOP circle jerk.

    You as devout a tea-bagger as you have presented spiritually, F&B? You do know the tea party is fundamentalist, right?

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 11:06 PM #
  32. I don't know anything about "tea-baggers." I think they're people who work at Lipton, and have nothing to do with this conversation.

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 11:08 PM #
  33. missing_kskd

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    You so totally are! Good grief F&B. Seriously? LOL!!!

    Edit: You know what's really interesting F&B?

    Most people on the left have NO problem talking it up. Nothing to hide really. Socially, they are well aligned with most people. Sure, "the trinity" is out there, but that's a known problem, easily managed, and something we beat back, layer by layer over the years. No worries. Clearly, it's their problem. The rest of us know better.

    Economically, we are aligned well too. Who doesn't like somebody pulling for the little guy?

    Boil it all down, and we are about valuing people properly in both their person and their labor, and again, that's really hard to argue with. It's just, appealing to most folks, and near bullet proof, because one has to defend either "the trinity" or justify how and why the wealthy don't have enough, or are suffering some how.

    Equality is such a basic, powerful thing, it rings true at a very low, basic level. Solid. Untouchable.

    Tea Party? Kind of ugly really. Socially, they are not about equality, and economically, it's clearly all about big business and regression. So here's the interesting part! Why not...

    Step up! Be proud! Shout it out! Why not, right? If you are totally there, it makes no sense to hide it, unless...

    deep down, you know it's self-serving and kind of ugly, that it will totally piss many ordinary people off, you know your neighbors, friends, etc...

    Poor people, unemployed people, needy people, old people, gay people (there's a shitty one for you, God, how do you do it?), all might just step up and ask you just who do you think you are?

    I would. Have to others in the past too. Usually entertaining, sometimes dangerous. Made a good friend once. Turns out he just got sucked in. No worries.

    So shout it out. No reason to hide it right? The Koch brothers created the whole thing for you too! That special sparkle is all there, just waiting for eager beavers to step up, wear the shirt, and just let everybody know the Tea Party is here to make their lives better.

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 11:11 PM #
  34. The teabaggers are the ones who asked their supporters to send tea bags to the White House tax day 2 years ago. Many of them wore tea bags on their person. The Tea Party is made up of teabaggers.

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 11:23 PM #
  35. missing_kskd

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    Well, they are also people interested in very specific sex acts, involving the scrotal sac

    (somebody botched it, but the money was already spent, apparently)

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 11:24 PM #
  36. Skybill9

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    "The teabaggers are the ones who asked their supporters to send tea bags to the White House tax day 2 years ago."

    To be more accurate and let them know how we really feel we should have sent them condoms.

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 11:29 PM #
  37. Andrew

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    F&B: To you, it's "costly" to cut taxes and reduce the wasteful and inefficient bureaucracy.

    Oh, I think all non-Republicans support "waste" and "inefficiency" right? Isn't that what all you righties believe? It's only you Republicans who see that "waste" and "inefficiency" are bad things huh?

    And anyone who can do math knows that cutting taxes is "costly." Even Bush's own economists admitted during his time in office that the Bush Tax Cuts DID NOT PAY FOR THEMSELVES. They only resulted in more national debt.

    Posted on July 25, 2011 - 11:36 PM #
  38. missing_kskd

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    Yeah, the line was we didn't need to worry about the short term impact of those tax cuts, because they were GOING TO CREATE JOBS. The GOP said it, are still saying it, said it a lot of times before.

    Didn't happen did it Tea Partiers?

    And the GOP ran on "Where are the jobs?" too. Clowns. Now look where they are. Still no jobs, but for those "lefty" programs where investment was made, new business started, existing business bolstered, focused on clean tech --a viable and high paying growth opportunity for us, and the GOP wants to do what?

    CUT TAXES and end the New Deal. Embarrasing really.

    Hell, they've been about cutting taxes, for any number of reasons, basically any reason they can get to stick, because they know deep down that somehow, some way, it's just gotta trickle down.

    Well, maybe not.

    Nobody is that stupid. They know it doesn't work, but they don't really care. Haven't cared at all, for a very long time, but you know the New Deal just chapped their ass. A lot of Europe caught the fever too, building systems we taught them how to do, while we turned away from that, denying our own history, because...

    it really just chapped their ass. Universal Health care. Christ, that's damn near socialism! We could turn into the Soviet Republic. Has Britian, France, Germany? Germany is kicking a lot of economic ass actually. One does wonder. That's why we don't hear about them much. Ugly data point there. Massive Union Labor too. Funny that.

    Truth is, having basic social safety nets means ordinary people have a say. Imagine that! Social progress, economic progress, and the idea of unbridled exploitation goes the way of the wild west, and we all know down deep, they are cowboys, longing for the old days, when a man could make himself on force of will alone, maybe with a few killings, or thugs. Just to manage risk. Understandable right?

    This Democracy crap just gets in the way of things. It's actually necessary to give a shit, and kind of costly, compared to just "every man for himself" kinds of things. Complicated too.

    It was better when we had the haves and the have nots, because then people knew their place, and so it goes.

    Put the screws to people and they will just put out! It's like magic, and profitable as hell, with some serious social upsides, the primary one being the power to be a complete dick with no real worries. God, I'll bet a lot of them miss that.

    So, here we are. Debt ceiling being manufactured into the mother of all crises, and say what you want, but it's totally obvious that Obama being President is basically at issue.

    Nobody is really gonna say it, but the sheer amount of shit that man has taken speaks volumes about how ordinary people have worked through a lot of social progress, only to see the old school ruling class choking on it big. Drives them bat shit nuts that a Black guy is in there, and that he's rather ordinary! Not even backed by old money! He's not in the club! Forget race. Probably not too big of a deal in those circles, but not being in the club? Fuck that. Can't have it. Wrong.

    Now, the race thing is largely settled. We have gotten past that, teething pains of course, but we made it. Showed the world that it can be done, and there he is! Nice.

    But the money. That isn't going to fly. No way, no how is old money going to submit to some ordinary man of the people, and there we sit.

    GOP is doubling down, because this is for all the chips. If they balk, any good things happen, they are in a world of hurt, just because of how they have framed things, and the amount of latent anger, resentment and genuine desire to get things moving again is huge. Big. They have left themselves NO OUTS. It's this, or very ugly times.

    That desire is bigger than the GOP is, unless...

    They can somehow manage to cause enough chaos so as to fool enough of the people, enough of the time. Game on!

    Where are the jobs? If the Bush tax cuts were a good idea, then somebody, somewhere should be able to point to the jobs, walk back the idea that Bush was the worst ever, and see some seriously good success!

    It's not like we've never cut taxes before. We've been on a rampage, cutting the taxes a ton of times! One would think 40 or so years of this shit would have paid off, our nation ruling the entire world for all the cuts and lofty ideas bolstering them.

    Worked out great too, but for that little nagging issue...

    Where the fuck are the jobs?

    That's a bitch, because it undoes the whole ideology in the end, and they know it, as do a large and growing fraction of Americans.

    Post all you want Tea Partiers. Get some of your Tea Party buddies together and go to do the work. That's the question. Where the hell are the jobs, and how is that connected to this next round of cuts on the middle class, and how come we didn't see those jobs from the massive tax cuts already granted, over and over and over?

    Answer that, and you've got a platform. Hell, it might even be viable! Without it though... ugly. Fugly actually.

    The whole thing only works, if it all really does trickle down. Haven't seen it. Nobody has. Most of the world is watching too, because they are on the block, next, Austerity central. Already happening in some places, whole nations turned into Colorado Springs. Not pretty at all.

    Where are the jobs? The policy positions you advocate, the GOP is doubling down on, and the Tea Party is all about, have been done multiple times, solid, no excuses.

    They didn't work. Where are the jobs, and how come we didn't see that nice boost in revenue that would have offset the tax cuts, over and over again?

    What? Need more cuts? Wouldn't some cuts, deep ass, liberal cuts at least produce some jobs? Begin to pay it back? Do us some good?

    LOL!!!

    Posted on July 26, 2011 - 01:07 AM #
  39. missing_kskd

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    Oh, and to just rub it in a little, the question on the poll really matters.

    Lots of people would repeal this law. Well, it's a difficult deal, expensive, and it needs sustained work over time to really pay off. We got started though, and that counts for a lot.

    But, ask a little different question, say "Who wants Medicare for all?", and one gets big numbers.

    http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/12/09/two-thirds-support-3/

    That's older, but similar things can be found all over the place. So, at first glance, the Ras poll seems to support the idea that most ordinary people want Obama out.

    The truth is, they want a much better Health Care solution than they got, mostly because they don't understand what they got.

    Today, they are pissed as hell over the games being played, asking "Where are the Jobs", not getting good answers from the "we are all about jobs" GOP party, who currently has done nothing to actually address the matter of jobs.

    Who is driving those?

    The Tea Party, otherwise known as the GOP base, re-branded by the Koch brothers.

    Similar things can be done with every poll item you've listed.

    Posted on July 26, 2011 - 01:21 AM #
  40. Polls at this point are less than worthless. The time between now and the election is an eternity when it comes to things that can change the course of who's electable and who isn't.

    The only reason all of these polls even exist is to provide fodder for the tragedy channels.

    Posted on July 26, 2011 - 03:39 AM #
  41. Brianl

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    "Polls at this point are less than worthless. The time between now and the election is an eternity when it comes to things that can change the course of who's electable and who isn't.

    The only reason all of these polls even exist is to provide fodder for the tragedy channels."

    Pretty much, Deane. Though all too many politicians make decisions solely based on what is going to move the polls in their favor.

    One of the things I like about Obama is, he's not one of them. He has alienated both the rank-and-file GOP by not agreeing to draconian cuts and zero tax hikes on the most affluent, and he has pissed off the Democrats by placating to the Republicans with cuts to Social Security and Medicare and other things. Deep cuts, mind you.

    I feel pretty safe at this point about Obama's being re-elected in 2012, and it's not based on his invincibility. Ideally, Obama is quite vulnerable. But, the GOP lineup vying for POTUS, to a person, simply is unelectable in a general election.

    Posted on July 26, 2011 - 06:41 AM #
  42. Notalent

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    The only reason tax cuts "didn't work" this most recent time around was that the promised accompanying spending cuts were not enacted by congress.

    Same as when the D's screwed over Bush Sr. by promising to cut spending if he would sign off on tax increases. As you know they then slammed him for going against his campaign promise and did not follow through on the spending cuts.

    Cleverly they (you) could then say tax cuts don't work... HAHAHA

    The only way for tax cuts to work is if spending gets cut too.

    You can not lower the tax rate now and stop spending 10 years out and think this is any way good... This current plan from the O reeks of the Bush Sr. episode.

    As you can not now consider cost savings from the already ending Iraq war, and interest saved on that to be part of a "spending reduction." That friends is not a compromise, its a scam, smoke and mirrors. already accounted for.

    Under the O spending has INCREASED by a number larger than recession reduced tax receipts can sustain. Hence the current deficit.

    Thats why they want tax increases, so they can continue on spending as usual.

    What we have here is a cultural battle between those receiving benefit from the government (ranging from illegals on the dole to corporations not paying taxes) and those actually paying for it.

    It will likely only end when there are more taking than giving....

    The house of cards will collapse if we continue down this road by just getting a new credit card with that super low introductory interest rate...

    When that happens it will get way uglier.

    Everything else is just the posturing of politics, and pretty bad politics at that.

    Posted on July 26, 2011 - 08:37 AM #
  43. NoParty

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    Polls don't mean shit until the ACTUAL numbers come out. people change their minds or lose their minds when they get in that booth. Just because they tell some extremist right poll company something doesn't make it fact until the election is over. PERIOD!!!!! WOW!

    Posted on July 26, 2011 - 08:52 AM #
  44. The point was that many here are saying everyone is mad at the Republicans and can't wait to vote them out of office. The polls don't support the optimism of the big government, high taxes, get-as-many-on-the-dole-as-possible ultra-left-wingers.

    BTW, I use Rasmussen because he has been accurate. No evidence has been posted to the contrary.

    Posted on July 26, 2011 - 09:08 AM #
  45. Amus

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    "No evidence has been posted to the contrary."

    And there is the whole point.
    You believe shit that isn't true.
    You don't care that you believe shit that isn't true.
    And you are not willing or capable of accepting that the shit you believe isn't true.

    Posted on July 26, 2011 - 09:14 AM #
  46. Rasmussen approval rating for Obama is 44%.

    Gallup is under 47%:
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.aspx

    Is Gallup also working for the Republicans?

    Posted on July 26, 2011 - 09:16 AM #
  47. duxrule

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    I'm reminded of the old football coach's adage, "Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while."

    Posted on July 26, 2011 - 09:21 AM #
  48. Amus

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    I'm reminded of the old adage,
    "You can try to teach a pig to dance, but it only frustrates you and annoys the pig"
    But in this case, I think the pig enjoys it.

    Posted on July 26, 2011 - 09:41 AM #
  49. NoParty

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    POLLS AT THIS TIME DON'T MEAN SHIT!!!!!!!!!!

    Remember that Kerry had an early lead with outgoing polls but "DUH"bya still won and America continued into the shitter for 4 more years!

    Thanks "DUH"bya and Co.!!!!!

    WOW!

    Posted on July 26, 2011 - 09:59 AM #
  50. So what is the evidence that so many are angry with the Republicans and will vote them out? If polls don't mean anything now, then what is the basis for those comments? Is it just wishful thinking?

    Posted on July 26, 2011 - 10:02 AM #

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