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  1. Vitalogy

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  2. RadioBuggie

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    That's bad....

    Posted on January 1, 2012 - 05:30 PM #
  3. Meet the guy camping next to you. Pictured below is the scum, authorities are searching for: Benjamin Colton Barnes with his Arsenal of Weapons:

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2012/01/01/2017142969.jpg

    Parks today are nothing but hideouts for criminals. You take your life in your hands camping with nothing but canvas between you and thugs & murderers.

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 12:47 AM #
  4. Skybill9

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    Do you really think a law banning guns in National Parks would have stopped him?

    If you do, then I've got some prime swamp land in Florida you might be interested in buying or maybe a bridge in Brooklyn.

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 01:30 AM #
  5. missing_kskd

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    Former law abiding gun owner.

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 10:54 AM #
  6. Vitalogy

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    "Do you really think a law banning guns in National Parks would have stopped him?"

    It has a better chance of stopping him than allowing them, as evidenced by this story.

    And besides, if we applied your logic to crimes, then we'd just eliminate all laws. Terrible logic, but one the gun lobby loves to use.

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 11:53 AM #
  7. Uncle Mort

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    "Survivalist" they call him. Or is this a code word for 'rightwing anti govt gun freak'? The war brought home. The Bushies filled out the depleted ranks with a lot of quasi criminal slag during the Iraq 'incursion'. Or made em into slag. They love us over there now.

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 12:49 PM #
  8. I'm glad I'm on a board with such insightful posters. I never ever would have come to the conclusion that this murder was George Bush's fault. I'm just not that deep a thinker.

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 01:10 PM #
  9. Uncle Mort

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    Check!

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 01:21 PM #
  10. NoParty

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    I'm glad I'm on a board with such insightful posters.

    That DOESN'T include you!

    I never ever would have come to the conclusion that this murder was George Bush's fault.

    Like for you EXTREME RADICAL Righties ALWAYS blame Clinton for EVERYTHING STILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 01:22 PM #
  11. NoParty

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    I'm just not that deep a thinker.

    NO SHIT!!!!!!!!!

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 01:23 PM #
  12. NoParty

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    Do you really think a law banning abortions in America would have stop them?

    If you do, then I've got some prime swamp land in Florida you might be interested in buying or maybe a bridge in Brooklyn.

    Same shit buddy!!!!

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 01:24 PM #
  13. No law will prevent that it is never broken.

    I wish I knew who was still blaming Clinton and for what. I'm trying to forget about the guy, except that he just won't go away.

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 01:28 PM #
  14. NoParty

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    I wish I knew who was still blaming Clinton and for what.

    ALL YOU extreme righties piss and moan all the GD time about Clinton. Wait till 16' when Obummer leaves office you assjacks will be pissing and moaning about till 2025.

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 01:33 PM #
  15. If you believe this is anything new, your all wrong. Wack jobs like this guy have been going up in " them thar hills " for centuries. Isolationists malcontents, Criminals escaping socialized reality...many seek out the wilderness but still want to do ill to their fellow man for some reason, and those reasons vary greatly. And to what extent they are willing to do harm.

    The real difference now is that we have more exotic weapons availiable and other technologies to assist the wicked . This asshole needs to be nailed , due process in Federal Court and " IMO " if he continues to resist , which he already has, he might just has well be put down with a 3 dollar bullet in the head to save the US taxpayers the great expense later on .

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 01:56 PM #
  16. I'll be really impressed when the Bush-haters come up with ways to blame him for stuff that happened before he was born.

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 01:58 PM #
  17. "I never ever would have come to the conclusion that this murder was George Bush's fault. I'm just not that deep a thinker."

    http://ptsd-symptoms.org/

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 02:43 PM #
  18. Looks like the guy might be dead.

    http://news.yahoo.com/rainier-gunmans-body-might-found-191441433.html

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 02:50 PM #
  19. NoParty

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    I'll be really impressed when the Bush-haters come up with ways to blame him for stuff that happened before he was born.

    And how about you Clinton haters? He's been out of office for how fucking long and all you do is blame him for everything under the sun.

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 04:36 PM #
  20. Yep...

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/home/index.html

    " He's dead Jim "....They dont say how..could be exposure or suicide...

    He was an Iraq Vet with PTSD..according to his EX WIFE. custody battle in July..came back from Iraq with anger mgmt issues, paranoia and a gun fettish..

    Also see the story on the Huffpost.

    So I guess we can blame Bush for this...

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 04:46 PM #
  21. Uncle Mort

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    I know a young fellow, back from an artillery unit, front lines Afghanistan. Never wounded; but he has PTSD and undergoes therapy that includes a dog named Mohammed. So many are coming home like that. For a trumped up oil & gas raid by the neocons that was doomed to fail royally, and that had nada to do with 911.

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 06:05 PM #
  22. NoParty

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    Thanks DUHbya!!!!!!!!!!!

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 06:09 PM #
  23. paulwalker

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    The facts on this case is the accuser is an Iraq vet. Post tramatic stress syndrome cannot be ruled out here. I am not giving him a "pass", but I think all the facts should be examined before making judgements. We need to not make snap judgements before examinining all the facts.

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 09:28 PM #
  24. Uncle Mort

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    Snappy? Your not reading carefully cannot be ruled out either. the news article explicitly points to PTSD. And war always produces it in mass quantities, used to be called shell shock.

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 09:36 PM #
  25. paulwalker

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    Not sure your comments were directed to me, but that is what I am saying. PTSD, as you call it, I agree. What is it you are disagreeing with? I agree this may be the cause of this sad murder. What more do you want? Perhaps justice for the accuser? That I cannot offer, or believe in. Besides, he's dead.

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 09:55 PM #
  26. I can't remember, is the law that allows guns in parks - is that a law now? Or was it just discussed?

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 09:57 PM #
  27. Skybill9

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    Its law now that licensed gun owners can bring guns into National Parks. It took effect in February of 2010.

    Unfortunately, even if the law didn't allow guns in the parks, if someone is intent on doing harm all the laws in the world won't prevent them from carrying out their intent.

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 10:28 PM #
  28. So why was it such a big deal to be allowed to carry them in parks then?

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 10:37 PM #
  29. Skybill9

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    So that people that want to legally carry their gun can.

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 10:39 PM #
  30. And why did people want to be able to carry a gun in a park so badly?

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 10:41 PM #
  31. Mrs.Merkin

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    Because of all the dangerous fauna: bears, wolves, chipmunks, and mothers of toddlers and pre-schoolers.

    Geez, CJ! Don't you read the papers? There's a bear attack almost every day at Mount Rainier, Crater Lake, and Mt. St. Helens almost every day in the summer!

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 10:56 PM #
  32. Brianl

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    It's those damn soccer-moms in minivans with Washington plates, Mrs. M! Sheesh!

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 10:57 PM #
  33. Skybill9

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    You'd have to ask them.

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 11:01 PM #
  34. Skybill9

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    Bears and Cougars, sure. I'd be more worried about running across some crack head or pot grower out in the middle of nowhere.

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 11:04 PM #
  35. Skybill said - "You'd have to ask them."

    I think I just did.

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 11:37 PM #
  36. NoParty

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    So that people that want to legally carry their gun can.

    That's why we have cops, the national guard and other armed services....

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 11:45 PM #
  37. Skybill9

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    "That's why we have cops, the national guard and other armed services..."

    Yep. Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

    It's also why we have the 2nd Amendment.

    Although after what the wonder kid signed recently, apparently he has no regard for the Constitution.

    And ya'll bitched about Bush signing the Patriot Act. Where's the uproar over what Obummer just signed. There was some discussion in another thread, but had this been something Bush had signed, Dan would run out of bandwidth will all the posts.

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 11:56 PM #
  38. Skybill9

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    "That's why we have cops, the national guard and other armed services...."

    So are you advocating that the National Guard and "other armed services" patrol the National Parks?

    Yeah, that would be great. One more step towards a police state.

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 11:58 PM #
  39. "So that people that want to legally carry their gun can.

    That's why we have cops, the national guard and other armed services...."

    So you're against law abiding citizens having the right to be able to protect themselves? How quickly can the cops or National Guard be on the scene when a bear or a murderer is 10 feet away?

    What other freedoms do you oppose?

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 11:59 PM #
  40. Guns on a plane. That's what we need. Seriously.

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 11:59 PM #
  41. missing_kskd

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    It's crap. Good call, and frankly major league disappointing. Honestly, I do not think we have anywhere close to the political will to undo the crap we've done in the name of "security"

    Posted on January 2, 2012 - 11:59 PM #
  42. "So you're against law abiding citizens having the right to be able to protect themselves? How quickly can the cops or National Guard be on the scene when a bear or a murderer is 10 feet away?"

    Awesome. So this is a desire for protection...in the forest.

    Right?

    Posted on January 3, 2012 - 12:00 AM #
  43. "Guns on a plane. That's what we need. Seriously."

    It would have helped on 911. But do they have bullets that won't go through the plane?

    I think it's great if the flight crew is armed. Why not?

    Posted on January 3, 2012 - 12:02 AM #
  44. Skybill9

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    "Guns on a plane. That's what we need. Seriously."

    Agree 100%.

    Every pilot should be highly trained and armed and every flight should have an armed Air Marshall on it.

    Posted on January 3, 2012 - 12:03 AM #
  45. "Awesome. So this is a desire for protection...in the forest.

    Right?"

    Yeah...big scary bears live there. And bad guys can hide out there as we saw today.

    Posted on January 3, 2012 - 12:04 AM #
  46. "Every pilot should be highly trained and armed and every flight should have an armed Air Marshall on it."

    No no no. I mean EVERYONE should be allowed to carry a gun on a plane.

    Except those who are not allowed to own guns.

    Posted on January 3, 2012 - 12:05 AM #
  47. missing_kskd

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    And they should hand out narcotics right at the gate too.

    Posted on January 3, 2012 - 12:06 AM #
  48. Skybill9

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    "No no no. I mean EVERYONE should be allowed to carry a gun on a plane."

    Not everyone can carry a gun period. Why should they be allowed to carry on a plane?

    Posted on January 3, 2012 - 12:07 AM #
  49. To stop bad guys.

    Posted on January 3, 2012 - 12:07 AM #
  50. Skybill9

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    "Except those who are not allowed to own guns."

    You edited as I was typing!!

    Posted on January 3, 2012 - 12:08 AM #

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