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  1. edselehr

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    Let's shift gears. Herb has been feverishly bashing Obama, but hasn't offered any alternatives - except, perhaps, recycled Bush-era policies.

    Obama-bashing is rarely if ever accompanied by what the alternative would be. I've heard tax cuts (yawn), I've heard less government...that's about it. I would like to hear what those Good Republican Ideas are that are superior to Obama governance, and how that's going to makes lives better for all Americans.

    So right-wingers, here's your chance. Sell me on conservative policy. No Obama-bashing, focus on the positive that Republican governance will bring. And be Very Specific!

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 10:02 AM #
  2. Broadway

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    Tax cuts for small business across the board. The cutting of regulation for small business startups. Government needs to help/get out of the way for small business to thrive.

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 10:31 AM #
  3. Vitalogy

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    Please cite examples of regulation that hampers start up business.

    If you want to help start ups, you can start by helping them get access to capital, something the GOP just filibustered.

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 10:35 AM #
  4. Broadway

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    Codes, land use, zoning, permits...all can "stifle" business...not encourage it.
    >>access to capital
    there's plenty of capital/cash by lots of business that's "on hold" due to business/government uncertainty ie: November elections, Bush tax cuts extending/ending, Obama policy.

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 11:37 AM #
  5. Vitalogy

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    Broadway, you're not citing specifics. Conservatives love to talk about small business, yet when it comes to supporting them, your party recently said NO. And I beg to differ on access to capital. Capital markets are still frozen and small business lending is very hard to get, especially for start ups that don't have a track record of credit or revenues.

    All around town there is no shortage of commericial property ready and waiting for a business to occupy it. No zoning, permits or land use issues either. But it takes cash to rent space and start a business.

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 12:01 PM #
  6. edselehr

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    I need to second Vitalogy's request for specifics. By nature, ALL regulations hamper small business to some degree. At the same time, regulations keep the general public safe from business/corporate carelessness, malfeasance, and excessive greed.

    What specific regulation hampers business today and has no other counterbalancing redeeming value?

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 01:05 PM #
  7. Broadway is blathering away in a generalized way using identical language to the intellectually dishonest charlatans that make up the conservative media.

    The GOP is not for anything. They’re simply in opposition to President Obama for short term political gain. They’ve said as much aloud on several occasions. Thus the endless parade of nonessential distractions, dubious claims, and lunatic conspiracy minded babble and what not.

    There is no competing vision.

    There’s simply fear mongering and distraction. To what end? To regain control so they can go back to business as usual. I.e. advocacy for the wealthy, large corporations, and an economic engine unfettered by any kind of regulation.

    You know…the exact same policies aggressively enacted under President Bush and the Republican majority from 2000-2006; and largely continued until the election of 2008 when the economy was already in free-fall.

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 01:08 PM #
  8. Broadway

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    Who needs specifics..just a government policy for job growth...there is none...oh..well except for more government jobs via stimulus funds that are bankrupting our country...God help us!

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 01:16 PM #
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  10. Broadway

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    double post

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 01:35 PM #
  11. Andrew

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    Broadway: Who needs specifics..just a government policy for job growth...there is none...oh..well except for more government jobs via stimulus funds that are bankrupting our country...God help us!

    So you were opposed to the 40% of the stimulus money that went to tax cuts? How about the part of it that kept teachers, firefighters, and police officers employed in all the states with huge budget holes? How many small businesses survived because those workers still had jobs and were thus able to patronize those businesses?

    Do you think it was a wise idea for Republicans to filibuster the recent bill in the Senate to give tax breaks and extend some $30 Billion in credit to small businesses through community banks?

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 01:35 PM #
  12. Broadway, the Bush tax cuts have a expiration date, why is that? Who put them there and why?

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 01:42 PM #
  13. Andrew

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    I'm astounded that ANY reasonable person is "surprised" that the American economy is not yet booming the way it seemed to be 4-5 years ago. After the financial meltdown of 2008, it's amazing to me that we aren't today in a second Great Depression. (I thank President Obama in large part for preventing that.)

    I think the economy is doing very well all things considered. It's going to take a long time to recover, not just a few months or even a few years, and there will be plenty of ups and downs. This was no ordinary recession the nation just survived - not sure why people except a routine recovery. It's like comparing being treated for advanced cancer with radiation and chemotherapy with having the flu and expecting the cancer patient to be up and around in a couple of weeks after supposedly being "cured." The US economy is still sick, just because it is no longer on life support. Stop pretending we are a cancer patient who should blame his doctor if he isn't running marathons a week after his last treatment.

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 01:42 PM #
  14. Notalent

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    The stimulus money saving teachers jobs was an exageration, or worse, scam from the getgo.

    http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/08/12/1298457/3000-facing-layoffs-murrays-math.html

    One naturally wonders how much of the rest of the stimulus was similarly exagerrated.

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 01:46 PM #
  15. NoParty

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    One naturally wonders how much of the rest of the stimulus was similarly exagerrated.

    All politicians exaggerate both sides of the isle.

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 02:58 PM #
  16. No, *you* naturally wonder about that.

    Most of us who can still be swayed by the facts (even when they may happen to run contrary to what you might wish to believe for political reasons)have no trouble accepting such things.

    The only reason we're not in a second Great Depression is due to the policies of the current administration.

    You're welcome.

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 03:00 PM #
  17. NoParty

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    The only reason we're not in a second Great Depression is due to the policies of the current administration.

    I just wonder what the Republicans ideas were to dig America out of the financial crisis that their own put us into?

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 03:04 PM #
  18. Andrew

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    Notalent: The stimulus money saving teachers jobs was an exageration, or worse, scam from the getgo.

    Wrong. I don't care what Sen. Murray said or someone thought she said - it's a FACT that many states including Oregon were facing massive cuts without federal stimulus money. Just take a look at the big budget holes the stimulus money filled - any reasonably-educated person ought to be able to do that. Whether the amount of jobs saved was X or Y is irrelevant to me, because it was still significant.

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 03:20 PM #
  19. Notalent

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    Well Andrew,

    The real fact is the the politician in Salem cut teachers as a scare tactic.

    Obviously there are much bigger wastes of taxpayer money than teachers and firemen.

    Certainly they had other options that cutting teachers...

    This is a refusal on the part of politicians in control to stop digging the hole deeper.

    Any highly educated person ought to know this.

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 04:25 PM #
  20. missing_kskd

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    How about good Republican ideas that ARE NEW?

    I've seen tax cuts and deregulation in action. Trite, bumper sticker things, lacking any real detail of merit.

    I want to hear something new, or it's the same old, same old, and we've been there, done that.

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 04:32 PM #
  21. missing_kskd

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    Notalent: "wastes of taxpayer money than teachers and firemen"

    Those people are not wastes at all.

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 04:33 PM #
  22. Notalent

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    Missing, thats what I'm saying.

    There are actual wastes of taxpayer money out there yet they always threaten to cut the teachers.

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 04:44 PM #
  23. They do.

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  24. Vitalogy

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    "There are actual wastes of taxpayer money out there yet they always threaten to cut the teachers."

    Payroll is the biggest expense the state has, so it make sense that when they have to cut massive amounts, it's hard to avoid cutting payroll. Sure, they may be able to find "waste" to cut, but it wouldn't be enough to fill the gap.

    And I suppose the folks that are paving a major road in my neighborhood, thanks to the stimilus, are having their jobs exagerated too? That road need new blacktop and not only will the stimilus get us that blacktop which benefits me every day, someone's getting paid to install it.

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 05:16 PM #
  25. Vitalogy

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    Getting back to the topic, we have:

    1. Deregulation.
    2. Tax cuts.

    Seems like that's what got us here to begin with?

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 05:17 PM #
  26. Broadway

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    >>1. Deregulation. 2. Tax cuts.
    What's good for the 1920's and 1980's is good for now?

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 06:24 PM #
  27. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 06:45 PM #
  28. edselehr

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    That's it, Vit. I'm stuck on those two general, catch-all right-wing solutions to everything. They were the mantra of the Bush years, and the Bush administration was quite successful at accomplishing both. And as he is stepping out the door, his economic bubble bursts, with the current administration left to do cleanup.

    I have a follow-up question for conservatives. Do you want to see drastically smaller government? I don't mean "cut the waste" smaller government, which is a politically correct way of saying you want government to take in less tax dollars but provide the same services. Which services should be cut, or largely diminished? Again, Be Specific!!

    (Herb, I am noting your silence on this thread...)

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 06:53 PM #
  29. Broadway

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    >>see drastically smaller government
    start my abolishing the National Endowment for the Arts and the Education Department--
    I don't care whether you're driving a hybrid or an SUV. If you're headed for a cliff, you have to change direction. That's what the American people called for in November, and that's what we intend to deliver.
    Barack Obama
    wow...what goes around might come around!

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 07:08 PM #
  30. Notalent

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    I'm ok with the government providing less services.

    Less subsidies, less funding of the arts, less funding monsanto, etc.

    Less teachers, no, Less administrators, ok.

    no prob here.

    Are you progressives with that too?

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 08:02 PM #
  31. edselehr

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    Broadway, your comment reminds me of the advice I give to kids in driver's ed when they are asked what not to do when you are about to rear end someone - DON'T turn into oncoming traffic! You'd be trading a bad accident for a potentially catastrophic one. It *does* matter which direction you turn!

    First, you have to prove to me we are "heading for a cliff". What does that mean? Be specific (I can't say that enough).

    Next, you have to tell me SPECIFICALLY what should be done to correct the problem (if there is one). Turn left, turn right, brake hard...what you do DOES matter.

    This is the thinking man's problem with the far conservative right - they decry the current situation, but offer no real solutions, just bumper-sticker platitudes as you just did. Give me something Republican, real, and specific that will work better than what the current administration is doing, and I'll listen. Really I will.

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 08:07 PM #
  32. edselehr

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    @notalent: What is the gain? I see jobs lost mostly, and that's it. Can the private sector reabsorb those jobs? In this economy, not likely. Yes, the size of government would be reduced (by a small fraction of a percent with the examples Broadway gave) but I don't see any real compensating gain.

    If Broadway were serious about cutting government, then you'd have to do some cutting at the Pentagon (defense is by far the biggest line item in the federal budget). Is cutting defense on the table, Broadway?

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 08:14 PM #
  33. Brianl

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    "there's plenty of capital/cash by lots of business that's "on hold" due to business/government uncertainty ie: November elections, Bush tax cuts extending/ending, Obama policy."

    No.

    There's plenty of capital/cash by lots of business that's "on hold" because, well, the banks are still quite hesitant to lend. There is still a credit crisis of sorts in this country, and it's because the banks are mostly AFRAID to lend.

    Why?

    Because of the pickle they put themselves into!

    And what caused said pickle?

    Shoddy, predatory, completely unethical lending practices. Loans that the banks issued, with extraordinarily high interest rates, to fatten the wallets of shareholders and executives, at the expense of ALL of their customers, even the ones with good credit, who had to suck up the loans that were sure to default.

    And why were these banks allowed to practice predatory lending practices?

    BECAUSE THE CHECKS AND BALANCES, THE REGULATIONS, WERE LIFTED!

    By whom, you may ask?

    THE REPUBLICANS! Namely George W. Bush. But the ball got rolling back in the 80s. A great idea at the time by Reagan, to get interest rates down and get people to start borrowing again. But, like so many of Reagan's economic moves, we're paying for NOW the errors of THEN.

    Obama is doing everything he can to get the banks to open up, and for credit to be issued again. Lots of small business programs, grants, etc. At the same time, he's protecting the consumer from getting fucked by the greedy financial institutions.

    So, Broadway, please don't tell us that the Republicans (as constituted) are the ones that are pro-small business, and wanting to cut out regulations, etc. It's that deregulation that got us into the economic clusterfuck we're in now.

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 08:15 PM #
  34. Notalent

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    Yeah, You can't blame it all on the Republicans when Chris Dodd and Barney Frank were right in there neck deep (or should I say ASS DEEP) in the deregulation of the Lending Industry.

    Not to mention "community activists" in favor of "affordable home ownership."

    Banks were threatened into making many of these loans by certain "community organizations"

    Regulations were relaxed to allow home ownership.

    A noble intent but hey, what if those people couldn't actually pay the mortgage???

    What exactly was the plan?

    Was the government suppose to bail out all those folks who couldn't pay their mortgage and never should have qualified to get one? was that in the original plan? did these geniuses not think of this? of course they did, its all unfolding as planned.

    If not then its pure incompetence by all involved including Dodd and Frank who were right in there with Mr Community Organizer pushing this whole scheme.

    Blame aplenty to go around.

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 08:22 PM #
  35. @Notalant, That's a Republican myth that is not backed up by any facts.

    Do you remember Bush's ownership society? He did the very same thing you blame the Democrats for. But that wasn't the cause of the mortgage meltdown.

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 09:24 PM #
  36. missing_kskd

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    I would increase funding of the arts --all arts. Drama, music, dance, painting, debate, crafts, etc...

    I would not do a damn thing to the education department, other than make sure it's funded completely and fully, and that it's staffed with real educators, who actually are empowered to build that generation of people we are soon to need very badly, LIKE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO, because regressive policies have denied most average Americans the opportunity to do that.

    Our public investment in future Americans is probably the higher priority need right now, particularly given we've surrendered our economic and technology leadership position, just so some of us can hit that quarterly number today, without doing the work to actually earn it the old school way, like we used to.

    Critical thinking, promoted by the arts, is the one check we've got on dollars and dogma, currently polluting our civics to the point of doing harm. Many Americans will not get to experience these things in a meaningful way outside of their public school experience, and that's a crime on the people.

    Show me where and how we need to pay for that, and I'm there, looking back at my own experiences, and how those things made a positive impact on me, there is absolutely no question as to the worth of them.

    Frankly, most of the people who don't see the worth of that, either didn't get the experience, or if they did, often exhibit some agenda, bias, dogma, or character issue that is aggravated by those things being a part of the critically thinking society so they often need that "yeah, I'm one of the normal people" AM Radio / FOX TV escape, like a druggie needs their fix to get through the day.

    Harsh words??

    Damn straight! Sue me.

    The fine arts --actually most arts in general, combined with a solid, public education, are also our most potent check against the damage done to our fellow citizens by bigots, racists, theocrats, and corporatists.

    This particular progressive is NOT OK with reductions in those things at all.

    Before we fuck the next generations over, wondering in our old age, just what the fuck happened to the world, praying that we don't become so feeble as to actually need that damaged generation to get us through, why don't we focus on the asses who are taking money out of the system, selfish fucks, who will spend a dollar not to pay their dime in fair share?

    How about we stop the insane trade policy, and tax loopholes that have taken so much revenue out of the system so as to create a false crisis, in the hopes that the masses of ordinary, well meaning people, already fucked over by these kinds of cuts, unable to critically think for themselves in their best interests will knee jerk the programs away, so that the selfish, greedy, people of low character, and shallow minds, who can't stand the idea that these programs work and that stand as a shining example of the complete, profound, and total ideological failure they, and their ideas are, won't have to face that failure, happy to live in deep pools of blame and shame, un-impacted because of their likely drug addled, shallow, empty minds.

    Do you need more on those topics? By all means, I'm here to help. Tell me who needs to feel the love, and where they are, and I'm perfectly happy to get it done proper.

    You are welcome.

    Now, back on topic. I've not yet seen any NEW Republican ideas. What I have seen is new ways to devalue existing ideas on the table, even their own ideas, simply for political gain. I've seen new and creative ways to abuse the civics, including that nice multi-million dollar, anonymous swift boating en-masse, Citizens United circle jerk about to start.

    No word on the possibility, or viability, or even practicality of the ideas and people being favored. I'm not hearing that. I'm only hearing and seeing the tearing down of anything that has any momentum away from the Colorado Springs vision of America, where the freedom to be as big of a selfish fuck as possible, is alive and well, thank you, please pay at the door to your left, as we all carry our own weight, with our own money here, please, and thank you --don't forget your own TP for the can, because we all wipe our own ass here, and don't you forget it.

    I don't even see reasonable debate on the ideas they do have, tired as they are. I'm serious about that. The GOP is about fear, uncertainty, and doubt, and works to feed and grow on the backs of the most fearful, selfish, socially regressive, and dumb people that exist among us.

    More harsh words?

    Yeah. You bet. At least "the Progressives", who happen to be the ONLY MOVEMENT OF SIZE, actually pulling for, and well aligned with the needs of the middle class, as opposed to the big corporations, who exported it for their own gain, happen to have lots of new ideas, great people, spirited debates, and a willingness to work for it, knowing full well the asses that got us here will likely benefit too, but that's ok, because it's just the right thing to do.

    I've not seen anybody in the GOP do something because it's the right thing to do, unless it's "Bob says God Says"

    We could very, very easily do worse, and the constant vilification of progressive minded people, completely ignores the fact that one does not have to be liberal to be progressive, as I'm sure the few remaining real conservatives, not sucked into a Rand Paul love fest would easily tell you.

    I don't have a lot of respect for most of the GOP right now, home of the 23 percenters. Yeah, that's right. Every asshole in the nation, who has a social or financial axe to grind, is right there, GOP central, willing to let the world burn, so the gay people don't marry.

    Frankly, I think the expansion of dumbed down, corporate mega-entertainment, coupled with unlimited dollars in politics is going to trump, simple, American civic values, sending us down a very bad path again. You watch too. The same asses that asked for it, will walk this world in denial, eager to point the finger at "those other people", because lord knows it can't be them again right?

    Yeah. You GOP clowns get back to me, when you've got something material to say.

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 09:59 PM #
  37. David

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    So when we spend spend and spend. Get no results what do we then do? Give up or just spend more and more?

    There has to be a tipping point where you just say fuck all the people that don't want to try and have been given ample opportunity. I believe there is plenty of ample opportunity in the United States of America. If you don't get out! I get so sick of people looking for hand outs. It is the not the governments job to provide all of these "services, programs, incentives". Read the US Constitution where does it talk about any of this?

    I was sitting in one of the Airline clubs about a month ago listening to some guy go on and on about how he gets all of the "grants" to run his business and uses them as a vehicle for free trips and vacations all over the world. He says he does not have to do anything just make sure he goes on the trip and brings back something business related.

    How about a law that says no deficit spending of any kind ever! You want a program figure out how to pay for it either by cuts or by tax raises. Then you will see how important all of your petty programs are when taxes are raised so high on corporations and small businesses that it pushes them all out of business or out of this country. When I say no deficit spending I mean DOD and war spending also. And yes I would have been prefectly fine to pay my share of higher taxes to pay for the War on Terror and Iraq. Because they are both items I still believe are a noble cause.

    All the career politician republican and democrats need to be thrown out and we need to start over. How about term limits? 2 terms in the senate and 3 terms in the house?

    *lifts back up rock and crawls back under*

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 10:30 PM #
  38. Andrew

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    David: So when we spend spend and spend. Get no results what do we then do? Give up or just spend more and more?

    If you are implying that the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (the "Stimulus Bill") got "no results" then I would have to disagree with you strongly - and so would most economists. If you are suggesting that bailing out GM and Chrysler got "no results" than again, I strongly disagree with you. I believe the actions of the Obama Administration kept the United States out of a depression and allowed a teetering banking system to stabilize.

    Just because the US economy isn't booming again less than two years after the nation's entire financial system almost collapsed doesn't mean what's been done already hasn't been successful. Please be more realistic about your expectations. The bubble economy of the mid-2000s is not what we should realistically expect as a routine "healthy economy." A lot of damage has been done not just in 2008 but in the decade or two before - and it's going to take a long time to recover.

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 11:37 PM #
  39. missing_kskd

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    David, you do realize there is spending that doesn't pay back, like the war dollars, and spending that does, such as infrastructure and education.

    When we spend in ways that clearly pay back many times what was spent, it's foolish not to do it.

    Translated to business, this would be like not spending 10,000 to make 50,000, "because our spending is too high". It's no different for nations.

    Funny too, I deal with short sighted businesses, who fail to properly equip their people, only to bitch about failures in the enterprise. They then bitch about "costs too high"...

    Posted on August 16, 2010 - 11:44 PM #
  40. skeptical

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    davis said: I was sitting in one of the Airline clubs about a month ago listening to some guy go on and on about how he gets all of the "grants" to run his business and uses them as a vehicle for free trips and vacations all over the world.

    Would that have been Bernie Madoff?

    The point is this: I wouldn't put much stock in airline club chatter -- who would NOT bullshit in a place like that?

    Put the same bullshitter on Charlie Rose, you'll hear him say something entirely different.

    Posted on August 17, 2010 - 12:34 AM #
  41. Alfredo_T

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    Other than some very cursory mentions earlier in this discussion, reductions in military spending haven't been explored. What is being done (or could be done) to help the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts end sooner? Do we really need to have military bases around the world, now that the Soviet Union is gone? Do we really need to provide billions of dollars in military aid to other countries each year (one estimate I saw recently says that in 2008, aid to Israel alone was approximately $2 billion)?

    Posted on August 17, 2010 - 10:22 AM #
  42. Vitalogy

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    "I'm ok with the government providing less services."

    Of course you are, until you need the services government used to provide.

    As for the mortgage meltdown, the bulk of the crazy lending were not Fannie or Freddie backed mortgages. They were private investors/banks that were COMPETING with Fannie and Freddie selling their own private mortgage backed securities to willing investors who couldn't get enough of them. And lets not forget the borrower themselves, they couldn't get enough cheap money either. Better regulation would have helped for sure, but free market conservatives got what they wanted, a free market, and we all know what happened as a result of that free market: A credit bubble that almost brought our entire financial system down to it's knees.

    40 some posts and still no real alternatives.

    Posted on August 17, 2010 - 12:33 PM #
  43. skeptical

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    Do we really need to have military bases around the world, now that the Soviet Union is gone?

    I'm thinking yes, if only for logisitics purposes only in potential hot spots. That said, there are probably some that could be closed, especially in the United States. Whats the point of having hundreds of thousands of troops here when they can be near hot spot as a show of force.

    I guess this makes me a lousy liberal. I don't however like our military used to chase down imaginary WMDs nor do I like it when we have idiot CIC and bullshitting defense secys (Bush and Rumsfeld) or used for selfish means (that's you Dick Cheney).

    Posted on August 17, 2010 - 12:36 PM #
  44. Skybill9

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    "nor do I like it when we have idiot CIC"

    That's not a very nice thing to say about Obozo.

    Posted on August 17, 2010 - 01:11 PM #
  45. edselehr

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    Follow the rules of this thread, Skybill. No Obama-Bashing. Only Good Republican Ideas.

    And thus far, I've heard none besides general bumper-sticker sloganeering. If it's cuts in government you want, be specific - WHICH cuts? Eliminating the Department of Education (I'm sure it's less than one percent of the federal budget) will change nothing. If it's less taxes you want (and we're talking tax cuts that will put real money in people's pockets), what corresponding reductions in services should accompany those losses of revenue?

    I keep asking the same question, and getting nothing from the well-represented right on this board. Should I conclude that there are NO good Republican ideas to deal with the economic / social issues we have today?

    Posted on August 17, 2010 - 04:50 PM #
  46. I keep asking the same question, and getting nothing from the well-represented right on this board.
    I don't get it. Is every registered Republican required to phone party headquarters and make a political contribution to receive authorization to spout an official answer they can claim as their own? I know everyone has their own brain, unless that was an in-kind contribution they minute they signed on.

    Posted on August 17, 2010 - 06:33 PM #
  47. skeptical

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    edselehr, you might need to rename this thread from "Good Republican IdeaS" to "Good Republican Idea" because it looks like we're gonna be lucky if we even get just one.

    Posted on August 17, 2010 - 06:33 PM #
  48. skeptical

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    I have a good Republican idea . . . lets let the GOP Senators suggest a list of suitable replacements for Robert Gates and let Obama select from that list? Hmm?

    Posted on August 17, 2010 - 06:37 PM #
  49. Skybill9

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    Here's a good idea, other than the FDA, the government should stay the hell out of healthcare.

    We don't know how much it will save because the CF that Obama signed is not at the point that ANYBODY knows.

    I'd agree with the above post that the National Endowment for the Arts should go away. Art (other than in schools which is funded mostly from property taxes) should be privately funded.

    Let’s cut farm subsidies. Let the market determine how much a gallon of milk will sell for.

    Military spending should remain pretty much as is with the exception that they need to use more "off the shelf" stuff when possible and no more $600 hammers and toilet seats. Review of our overseas bases would be in order and pull out of places that we really don't need to be. I don't know which ones...I'm not part of the JCOS that is privy to that kind of info.

    Our taxes should remain the same as they are now. No raised taxes whatsoever until the economy improves. The government needs to do the same thing we all have done. If our income goes down, we have to cut back. So should they.

    So maybe the suggestions each don't carry huge savings, but a bunch of little savings will add up. We're not going to get 1 or 2 items that solve all the problems.

    Two other things that are needed...Line item veto and cut ALL pork out. Maybe make a rule that if a corporation donates to a political candidate then they cannot have any government business. That would cut out most if not all the pork and "special" deals that go on.

    Posted on August 17, 2010 - 07:30 PM #
  50. Skybill9

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    Oh, and Skep, I think that is a good idea.

    Posted on August 17, 2010 - 07:31 PM #

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