http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42765966/ns/politics/
"I think it's unfortunate that a religious leader would choose Easter Sunday to make preposterous charges," White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters.
Well, Franklin sure isn't following in his father's footsteps.
This topic was just an excuse to leave the usual lame tags.
No, I think it was to highlight somebody who is mixing politics and religion in a unhealthy way.
No,...It was an excuse to leave the same old tired tags that are in every fucking topic here.
Republicans are assholes? Yea that's staying on topic huh? You really expect the other side to take you serious when you lay out personal attacks in the tags? No way. Who ever left the tags only wanted to insult and call names for his own personal satisfaction.
Next time do a spell check Trixter.
I really don't care what the other side thinks. It's been clear for years now, they have no interest in a reasoned, democratic policy. And the policy choices they favor are not aligned with my best interests, nor those of most of my peers. They put my future at risk too.
We are not discussing mere differences here. Normally, our shared interest as people trumps policy disagreements. They want to undo a lot of progress, and have not demonstrated any reasonable justification for it.
So yeah. Fuck them. I see absolutely no reason to hand out that kind of consideration. Why should I? It's not being returned in like kind, and only a fool would debate with liars and cheats and...
yes. Assholes.
I think I would care, if the policy discussion were actually something that would lead to a better state of things, and where I thought they might actually honor our process and their roots as citizens, but they don't.
The Republican party has who in it that really matters? 23 percenters, racists, bigots and theocrats? Yeah, all easily characterized as assholes. Wealthy elites? They could give two shits about you and me.
They've spent 30 years vilifying liberal people, lefties, progressives, you name it. Their reasons?
Seems to me, legislating morality, undoing the New Deal, and returning to feudal society are top of the list, right along with advancing nearly every inequality there is.
It's not our problem the party is pissing in it's own pool. Given how favorable most of the media is to this shit, I think dishing it out back their way is perfectly reasonable, possible, and practical.
How about this?
Why don't you tell me why they deserve ANY real consideration, given what they are doing?
Show your work.
Don't expect any work from Lard Ass. Thinking is difficult.
5 bucks says that this particular charge, from this particular man, will blow up and turn out to be egg on his face. Something along the lines that he can't prove that he was born in North Carolina or something. It's too ripe. He's too fervent. People seem to get bitten when they do it like this.
Chomp.
Even Shep Smith calls bullshit on Mr. Graham.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201104250034
Seriously CJ. Only a matter of time.
(passes popcorn bowl, settles in for entertaining wait)
Well not that it matters since the short form birth certificate was long ago made public, but the White House released the long form birth certificate of Obama today. He apparently requested copies of the long form himself from Hawaii earlier.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110427/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate
Can we just move the hell on now?
The brew ha ha over this ...
And I do wonder why it took so long for Obama to do what he has just done.
Yes yes I know...there have been indications of the birth cert, the short form version and the newspaper notices and those who observed the certification etc etc etc and the rumors and rumors of rumors but in the end it all can and will now go away..as we can all see the picture of the long form birth certificate on our computers over coffee this AM .
Makes me still wonder why it took so long for him to do what he has now just done ? If this was ME , I would have wanted all this cleared up years and YEARS ago..
If the matter goes away, then it was right to get the long form, and it would have been right to get it early on.
If not, then nothing will satisfy the birthers. Personally, I thought he didn't do this because it would validate their queries, and that has more of a chance of being non-productive than not.
Now we get to find out!
It was probably a non-issue to Obama. He KNEW he was legally qualified by birth. He had the documentation. Hawaii provided it to whoever needed/wanted it. Total non-issue.
It was the birthers, people bent that someone who had a Muslim father from Africa, with a Muslim name, could be President of the United States. People upset that, yes, a black man is President. People that have nothing else to stick on Obama, so they play the birther card. People like Donald Trump, who don't have the substance of their own to stand on their own two feet and offer a legitimate candidacy based on their own platform or ideas, so they have to attempt to trivialize others. (See the birther comments, or his swipe at whether Obama qualifed for his Ivy league education.)
waking up to the power of the clergy-- 
Well, the next thing I expect to see is somebody claiming that the released document was photo shopped by the ACLU . The Signatures faked , the registration numbers altered and crops taken from a 1961 city directory registration of Honolulu's south side neighborhoods on a sunny day in late September by an ACORN census taker....another left wing conspiracy //
Exactly, which is why I didn't expect him to ever validate that crap with another document.
This is a win for Trump, joke or not.
"This is a win for Trump, joke or not."
Explain how. This I have to hear.
He forced an end to it. He got them to turn over the goods.
As he said today, they should have released this a long time ago, when the Clinton camp raised the issue.
"He forced an end to it. He got them to turn over the goods.
As he said today, they should have released this a long time ago, when the Clinton camp raised the issue."
And the short form was released, long ago.
If it was ever a question, he would not have been allowed to run.
Next.
The latest canard is that since Obama's father was an "African," he can't be a "natural born citizen," and is thereby ineligible to serve as president. Of course, that is a strained and illegitimate (ironic, eh?) reading of the Constitution, but it will help keep the haters hating and fueling the Fear/Anger Radio Clown Posse until Obama finishes up in 2016.
It doesnt matter.
His Father was on a VISA, his mother a US citizen ..and even then , he was born in the US and EVEN IF both his parents werent citizens ...still doesnt matter he was born here.
The Constitution only says ' Native Born "...thats it period...end of that discussion.
Didn't this elevate Trump?
Who is Trump that the President of the US should answer to him, yet he did.
And maybe the birther issue was something Obama wanted to keep going. It might have been to his political advantage to have the distraction and to have the kookiness associated with the Republicans. But now Trump can take credit for silencing the birthers (and note he never claimed to be a birther, and always maintained that he hoped the president could produce the documents).
"The Constitution only says ' Native Born "...thats it period...end of that discussion."
Don't try and get that by the assclowns at Worst News Daily; they're going into hyperdrive over this "natural born citizen" thing. Like I said, anything to be able to keep on hatin'.
Authors: Even Hawaii birth won't make Obama eligible
President still has major legal issues following release of 'birth certificate'
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=292205#ixzz1KkGVRhuH
I'm glad Obama ignored these ridiculous birthers for so long. It's not even his birth certificate to 'turn over' - it is a certificate of the State of Hawaii, and it has been available for public viewing since day one. The birthers have already proven themselves to be lazy, now they are undeniably crazy. And they will keep digging themselves deeper into the crazy hole as they dispute what Obama did...what they have demanded Obama do since the beginning.
F and B and others who are now calling the birther thing " kooky " and distancing themselves from it -
How should I feel about someone who was really giving this issue a ton of credibility not too long ago? I mean, should I continue to give them any credibility? Would you if you were in my place?
Many of us were saying " This is all political stuff and is not true. " Yet there were many who were saying it was true. Or that it it remains undecided. Inconclusive. Saying also that the "fact" that he was not born in The US is part of a conspiracy. Because he is secretly a Muslim anti-christ too.
These are not rhetorical questions. How should I feel about those who pressed the issue and turned out to be SO wrong?
The gears have already switched from the "Birther" movement to the " Certer" movement. Certificating the alleged document and also requesting full disclosure of Educational records.
And here is the first installment folks :
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-center-movement-098513
And it never dies in the age of the almighty internet.
Personally, I say " Fine. Do it. Go for it. " for almost all of this shit. It's important to me to know who is right about things that people claim to care about. I like proof. People come around when they are proven wrong. Otherwise they just kinda don't.
Go for it. It shows who you really are and we all notice that.
Birtherism is an incredibly potent litmus test, isn't it?
Obama wins on this one. By having it drag out this long and be debunked so many times, to finally come out with the STFU, it's priceless. People like Trump and the tea baggers are the ones that lose. They have been proven to be the idiots they are.
I don't know if you are kidding or not Ed, but I do like how it makes someone commit to a position where you can say " Okay. What if what you believe was proven to not be true? Would that make any difference to you? "
I will never get tired of how often people say " yes " but mean " no " to that question. It's very telling for me.
Gotta love the Onion..
http://tinyurl.com/66mqr2h
"People like Trump and the tea baggers are the ones that lose."
The Tea Party was not about "birtherism." Their landslide victory in Novemeber had nothing to do with doubts about where Obama was born.
I wasn't kidding, CJ. I was kinda trying to echo your statement:
"People come around when they are proven wrong. Otherwise they just kinda don't. Go for it. It shows who you really are and we all notice that."
Except that some people will never come around, even when they are proven wrong. These are the true birthers.
I can't imagine any reasonable, thinking person that would continue to keep this issue on the table. And if anyone does (i.e. Fox "news") that will be my litmus test that indicates which people are looking for solutions to our national problems, and those who just hate Obama (or want to exploit the Obama hate of others) and don't give a rip about much else.
So why didn't he just save everyone the trouple and release this a long time ago? What would have been so hard about that?
It now could fuel speculation among the conspiracy theory types that there was time to manufacture this document. But maybe that's what he wants.
Or it could be that he's been sitting on this, planning hoping to reveal it closer to the election, hoping for some kind of boost, but Trump got so much traction with it, that it forced his hand.
Possibly Trump is the better community activist... he did force action.
"but Trump got so much traction with it, that it forced his hand."
Unlikely. The White House has probably been sitting on this document waiting for the time when it would do them the most good. Trump fell into a trap. No credible GOP candidate would have gone there.
You really need to clean those beans out of your ears.
Proof of birth was released a long time ago. Only complete idiots continued to second guess the enormous amount of proof.
Has any other president ever been asked to produce a birth certificate?
And birtherism is a staple of the tea bag diet. When 70% of republicans either think or are not sure that he is a citizen, what else other than his skin color separates him from past presidents?
"So why didn't he just save everyone the trouple and release this a long time ago?
You are compounding the display of your ignorance.
It wasn't his to release.
"The administration had to make a special request from the state of Hawaii to get the long-form certificate released, White House legal counsel Bob Bauer said. Typically, the state only releases the shorter, computer-generated live birth certification when people request such documentation.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/27/obama.birth.certificate/index.html?hpt=C2
I suppose he could have made the request sooner, but hey, a President doesn't have anything more important to do than let a few racists rant for a while.
Oh.. I forgot. The Donald has "good relations with the blacks" doesn't he?
BTW- Did anyone catch in Shepard Smith's Fox news report posted by Teletype that he mentioned "the son of the late Billy Graham..."
Rev. Graham is very much alive, it only seems he has passed away. I believe Alzheimer's is now his daily cross.
The real truth? It took Obama 3 years to come up with a convincing fake birth certificate, plus finding a set of plumbers that wouldn't botch the job of planting it in the court house records in Hawaii.
....And still so many politically correct people who take offense at so many "labels" continue to use the term "TEA BAGGER" in an obvious derogatory manner.
but that's ok isn't it?
Well this all wont matter much cause in 24 days "'you know who"" will be returning...
And ' he ' will be checking everybody's birth certificates at the Pearly Gates...
Were you born a Human or an Alien ?
24 days? What a lovely birthday suprise!
"....And still so many politically correct people who take offense at so many "labels" continue to use the term "TEA BAGGER" in an obvious derogatory manner.
but that's ok isn't it?"
That's the least of it. Personal attacks are a way of life around here (if you are one of our left leaning brothers. The conservatives are much more civil).
"Personal attacks are a way of life around here"
When the person being attacked is dumber than a box of rocks, it's unavoidable.
What triggers it, troll, is the constant ignoring of legitimate questions that you leave unanswered,
instead posting a non sequitur question or statement. That is not "civil' behavior and will draw
instant criticism.
Next time do a spell check Trixter.
NO!
Spleeing maens nohtnig.... Don't like it? FUCKING IGNORE IT!
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