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1. Craig_Adams
   

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   I sure miss KOIN Audio on my FM dial. Even had it on one of my push buttons.

   This from All Access [July 1, 2009]:

   ----------------------------------------KJRB To Simulcast KHQ-TV News----------------------------------------

   MAPLETON COMMUNICATIONS Talk KJRB-A/SPOKANE will simulcast the news show audio of crosstown COWLES NBC affiliate KHQ-TV (Q6), starting MONDAY. KHQ will also provide reports for the other stations in the MAPLETON RADIO SPOKANE cluster. KJRB will air "KHQ LOCAL NEWS TODAY" and "KHQ LOCAL NEWS AT FIVE" under the deal.

   "KHQ broadcasted its signal on 87.7 FM for years. Unfortunately the switch to digital television forced KHQ off the radio. Our audience overwhelming responded, asking to get KHQ back on the radio dial. We've been working since February to meet the needs of our viewers, and now we couldn't be happier to announce that RADIO SPOKANE has helped us to make that happen," said KHQ Pres./GM PATRICIA MCRAE.

   "We are thrilled to partner with KHQ to offer the best local TV news on the radio," said RADIO SPOKANE OM MIKE SKOT. "Together, KHQ and RADIO SPOKANE are committed to servicing our local community."

   Posted on July 1, 2009 - 07:24 PM #
2. Andy_brown
   

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   You have "push" buttons?

   Posted on July 1, 2009 - 08:12 PM #
3. missing_kskd
   

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   Not really. Haven't listened in years.

   Posted on July 1, 2009 - 09:27 PM #
4. Alfredo_T
   

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   I can't say that I listened very frequently. Part of the reason was that my car's radio only goes down to 87.9 MHz. It was nice to have the KOIN (or other Channel 6) audio there just in case, though.

   Posted on July 1, 2009 - 09:53 PM #
5. oregonmedia
   

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   TV simulcasts would seem like free content for HD radio channels.

   Posted on July 2, 2009 - 01:31 PM #
6. jr_tech
   

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   Just mount one of these on your car and tune in KOIN on DIRECTV or DISH Network:

   http://www.skyvision.com/store/mi1500095.html

   

   Posted on July 2, 2009 - 01:47 PM #
7. kennewickman
   

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   KHQ news alive ! back in the late 70s there deal was 'news alive "...with a guy who looked like a mortician and talked like one too...LOL..oh well it 'was' local and that it is now even more so than ever....I wonder if KHQ audio ever showed up in the Spokane radio Arbitron !!! Knowing that town, it might have...Spokane is a special place on the planet...they march to their own tunes up there....

   Posted on July 2, 2009 - 02:41 PM #
8. RobP
   

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   >>You have "push" buttons?<<

   Sure do. Just because it's electronic doesn't mean you don't have to "push" them to work...

   Posted on July 2, 2009 - 02:41 PM #
9. Alfredo_T
   

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   You have "push" buttons?

   Sure. What other kinds are there?

   Posted on July 2, 2009 - 03:14 PM #
10. jr_tech
    

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    Well, the old ones had to be pulled out to be set... were these Push-Pull Buttons?

    http://www.irememberjfk.com/mt/2007/02/pushbutton_am_radios_in_the_ca.php

    Posted on July 2, 2009 - 04:29 PM #
11. jimbo
    

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    "Do You Miss KOIN Audio On 87.7 FM?"

    No, not at all.

    Posted on July 3, 2009 - 12:20 PM #
12. Alfredo_T
    

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    Some people have been calling the Dr. Bill Wattenberg show--first to ask about and later to complain about--"TV sound" portable radios not working with DTV broadcasts. Although the comments from Dr. Bill's callers sounded quite concerned, I am seeing a completely contrary reaction on this board--that is, most folks here don't consider the ability to listen to the audio of TV broadcasts to be something that is necessary or even that important. So, what is (or was) the real demand for these TV sound radios? Did they have a small devoted market niche (such as visually impaired people or people who had some favorite show they wanted to catch but couldn't have the distraction of video)?

    Posted on July 3, 2009 - 02:22 PM #
13. jr_tech
    

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    My guess: Mostly female cube dweller/office workers...Oprah, Dr. Phil, Ellen, Soaps... many of these programs likely have a decent listener-only base.

    Posted on July 3, 2009 - 03:10 PM #
14. Randy_in_Eugene
    

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    There are also a lot of "emergency" hand-crank radios with VHF TV sound. Given the piss-poor job radio does in some communities during emergencies, this could become a real issue.

    Posted on July 3, 2009 - 10:59 PM #
15. MC
    

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    I miss it.

    Posted on July 4, 2009 - 12:44 AM #
16. Phil Harmonic
    

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    Used to check it almost every time in the car, even listened to a few NFL games that way. Not reading very good reviews of portable TVs with the new digital freqs so far (on the Radio Shack web page).

    Posted on July 4, 2009 - 11:04 AM #
17. Pat
    

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    Yes, since KOIN audio is gone, we need an all news station.

    Posted on July 5, 2009 - 08:25 AM #
18. Andy_brown
    

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    No. Just extend the NCE band down to 82.3

    Let's see, that would open up twenty something more channels that would be put to good use. Better that than more commercial drivel owned by the same guys that own the commercial dial now.

    Posted on July 5, 2009 - 12:05 PM #
19. Alfredo_T
    

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    Let's see, that would open up twenty something more channels that would be put to good use.

    I think there is a risk that in most parts of the country, this expanded part of the band would fill up with satellite-fed all-preacher radio stations.

    Posted on July 5, 2009 - 12:20 PM #
20. Andy_brown
    

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    Not if ownership limits and local ownership requirements are implemented. That's how they minimized the expansion of the bible thumpers taking over all the frequencies in the NCE window in '07. Plus there are rules about feeding NCE's (full power) with 24/7 satellite networks.

    Posted on July 5, 2009 - 12:38 PM #
21. Skybill9
    

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    Don't miss it at all.

    In fact, it opens up another channel for my Sirius radio!

    Posted on July 5, 2009 - 06:44 PM #
22. tadc
    

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    "That's how they minimized the expansion of the bible thumpers taking over all the frequencies in the NCE window in '07. "

    Did they? It didn't seem to work very well.

    Posted on July 6, 2009 - 03:27 PM #
23. Mrs.Merkin
    

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    Hell, Yes I miss it! it was #1 on my push buttons. Now call the Waaambulance.

    I was going to start a thread about this this week. Then I figured I'd get reamed for asking, and not just calling KOIN to ask my Wayne's World question:

    Does anybody know if and when it's coming back?

    Letting the verbal beatings commence. boo hoo.

    P.S. Yes, I had push/pull buttons on the Vega.

    Posted on July 6, 2009 - 03:54 PM #
24. Alfredo_T
    

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    It's not coming back.

    Posted on July 6, 2009 - 04:33 PM #
25. Mrs.Merkin
    

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    Dang! I really liked listening to the news, and shows like CSI while I was driving home from class...

    Posted on July 6, 2009 - 09:36 PM #
26. roger_2.0
    

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    yes I miss it.

    Posted on July 7, 2009 - 03:35 AM #
27. Mrs.Merkin
    

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    Exactly what kind of radio are you using out there?

    Posted on July 7, 2009 - 09:26 AM #
28. KMH-DJ
    

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    It seems kind of disingenuous for Channel 6 to just drop it - especially when it was just a few months ago that they were actually promoting it for listening in the car on the drive home. They apparently still have access to the frequency, as they were running nonstop English & Spanish promos for how to hook up the new HDTV converters.
    I remember in college, when we first discovered that we could get the local Channel 6 (which, for us, was an NBC affiliate) sound on the FM dial. We all cranked the "Midnight Special" sound up to 11, and just about blew the doors off!

    Posted on July 8, 2009 - 02:26 PM #
29. Alfredo_T
    

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    KOIN was broadcasting under the "DTV Nightlight Bill" provisions. This "nightlight" time window has come and gone. They couldn't legally turn the channel 6 NTSC transmitter back on now, even if they wanted to.

    Posted on July 8, 2009 - 02:41 PM #
30. roger_2.0
    

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    a great big one with a really tall antenna!

    I have to climb up every few weeks or so and sweep out all the tangled small aircraft and weather balloons.

    The reality is I used to listen on the drive home on the days I worked in PDX. usually lost it about 10 miles north of Longview, so the next 100 miles were spent dial hopping and swerving to miss deer.

    Posted on July 10, 2009 - 02:41 AM #
31. missing_kskd
    

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    Does that frequency HAVE to carry TV audio? It isn't now.

    Sure seems to me that Channel 6 has an opportunity to try some interesting stuff on that frequency with very little risk, and with only a modest investment.

    Posted on July 10, 2009 - 06:21 PM #
32. jimbo
    

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    "Sure seems to me that Channel 6 has an opportunity to try some interesting stuff on that frequency "
    It is no longer theirs to do anything with.

    Posted on July 10, 2009 - 06:35 PM #
33. missing_kskd
    

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    So they have a deadline to shut down the "how to get it done" barker?

    Posted on July 10, 2009 - 09:56 PM #
34. jr_tech
    

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    Yep ! and the deadline has passed... Ch 6 (Video and Audio) has been shut down for nearly 2 weeks now!

    Posted on July 10, 2009 - 10:36 PM #
35. Craig_Adams
    

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    This from All Access [Aug 24, 2009]

    ----------------------------------------TV Station's FM Simulcast Yanked----------------------------------------

    After the analog TV shutdown, FREEDOM COMMUNICATIONS CBS affiliate WRGB-TV (CBS 6)/SCHENECTADY-ALBANY-TROY no longer could be heard at 87.7 FM, as analog channel 6 TV stations were before they went to digital transmission, so the station fired up an analog FM audio simulcast at 87.9 FM. Unfortunately, that wasn't authorized by FCC rules, so the station has pulled the audio simulcast from the air.

    A message on the station's website from VP/GM ROBERT FURLONG reads, "Effective immediately, we have turned off our analog signal which we were simulcasting on the radio at 87.9 FM. We do not have FCC authorization to transmit an analog signal. We only have authorization for a digital signal at this time. We are reviewing our options and I apologize for any inconvenience to our audience. Thank you again to all of our viewers for their patience as we work through our digital issues."

    Posted on August 24, 2009 - 06:59 PM #
36. jr_tech
    

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    "A message on the station's website from VP/GM ROBERT FURLONG reads, "Effective immediately, we have turned off our analog signal which we were simulcasting on the radio at 87.9 FM. We do not have FCC authorization to transmit an analog signal."

    Seems like they should have known this before they put it on the air

    Some of the broadcasters that hold a LPTV license on Ch 6 but really just use it to broadcast FM audio (plus some slides on the video carrier, to keep it "legal") are still going after the analog tv shutdown. Perhaps WRGB could apply for a LPTV license on Ch 6. I don't think that a shutdown date for LPTV has been set yet, so they possibly could transmit for a few more years.

    Examples of Ch 6 "FMs":

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WLFM-LP

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KABA-LP

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KSFV-LP

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WNYZ-LP

    Posted on August 24, 2009 - 07:16 PM #
37. semoochie
    

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    LPTVs are noncommercial.

    Posted on August 24, 2009 - 11:36 PM #
38. jr_tech
    

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    CA then, perhaps?

    Posted on August 25, 2009 - 07:27 AM #
39. KE7JFF
    

    junior diode
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    I used to live near Schenectady, where WRGB covers. The FM carrier on 87.7 was pretty strong; on a good day I could hear it far as Kingston, NY.

    Posted on August 25, 2009 - 07:19 PM #
40. boisebill
    

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    You ment LPFM's are non-commercial. Have 3 commercial LPTV's around here.

    Had an off-brand car stereo get whacked and only tune 76–90 MHz. Thought it was back in Japan. Never could get the stupid thing to go back to the US standard.

    Posted on August 25, 2009 - 08:37 PM #
41. semoochie
    

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    Very good, I sure did! It's funny how something like that can confuse the whole issue plus we were also talking about 87.9, which could probably be licensed as an LPFM.

    Posted on August 25, 2009 - 10:13 PM #
42. Craig_Adams
    

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    This From All Access:

    --------NCE FMs Won't Have To Show Protection To Analog TV Ch. 6 After 27th 10/27 Deadline--------

    The FCC's Media Bureau has announced that OCTOBER 27th will be the first day that noncommercial educational FM applicants will no longer have to demonstrate that their proposed facilities will not interfere with TV channel 6 stations that have ceased analog operations.

    Up until the 27th, NCE stations will still have to show that they either protect the analog channel 6 allocation or have unconditional consent for the interference from the channel 6 licensee. All applications will still be required to protect digital channel 6 stations.

    Posted on October 13, 2009 - 07:55 PM #
43. semoochie
    

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    I'm surprised this wasn't thrown out at least a year ago! It will be interesting to see if any local NCE stations are able to take advantage of it.

    Posted on October 13, 2009 - 08:15 PM #

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