Something along the lines of "I can't talk about it right now, I wish I could, but I have some important news regarding this program?" Any thoughts?
Cryptic Bob Miller sign off today?(53 posts)
Posted on February 25, 2011 - 10:20 AM #
Wonder if -
*Miller is retiring and KPAM is the station going "All Salem Talk".
*1550 is going "All Salem Talk" with Miller similcasting there in the mornings.
*KPAM will LMA an FM and similcast
Other ideas?Posted on February 25, 2011 - 11:36 AM #
I know they have new pd, but for the last 5 pd's or so it seems that the Miller show has been the only thing untouchable at KPAM even though making the other program changes never changed anything? What's that definition of insanity again? Maybe the new cats at the PAM are going to re-define?Posted on February 25, 2011 - 12:28 PM #
Uh-oh! I think the most likely possibility is that Bob Miller (and possibly Victoria Taft) will be out, and that the 860 schedule will be wall-to-wall Salem talk.Posted on February 25, 2011 - 01:19 PM #
Thoughts from another armchair observer:
860 goes full-time Salem Talk.
1550 picks up Bob Miller and Victoria Taft until the end of their contracts, while continuing "America's Best Music" during other times.Posted on February 25, 2011 - 02:06 PM #
If Miller and maybe Victoria are out somehow - and all Salem is the answer, expect news folks to be trimmed too. I still Salem on to 1550 is more likely.Posted on February 25, 2011 - 04:01 PM #
I am not a beavers fan but curious to what this would do to the games they broudcast on that station.Posted on February 25, 2011 - 07:26 PM #
Marconi in the AM on 860.Posted on February 25, 2011 - 08:15 PM #
Something is definitely happening at KPAM and I hope it's NOT Bob Miller's retirement! Bob has never sounded BETTER! He didn't sound excited or happy about what he would announce Monday Morning.
This is what "The Bob Miller Show" facebook page says. Additionally it's also happening to Pat Boyle's facebook page. Another great KPAM Air Personality that is in the same boat?....
The Bob Miller Show is moving on Facebook and we don’t want to lose you! Follow this link http://www.facebook.com/pages/KPAM-860/142647439130293
and “like” our new Facebook page. We’ll still be having the great conversations with you and you will still get to comment on a myriad of topics along with our hosts. So make the change now and follow us on the NEW Facebook page with KPAM 860.
Why would KPAM want to close Bob Miller & Pat Boyle's facebook pages and roll all their friends into a KPAM page? Is KPAM trying to keep Bob & Pat's facebook friends after Monday??? One thing FOR SURE. I'm tuning in KPAM Monday Morning. This could be an Epic Portland Radio Change!Posted on February 25, 2011 - 08:31 PM #
Well, isn't getting you to tune in...what it's all about? What I see going on is nothing more than a new PD correctly trying to leverage the station cume into repeat visits, while making the most of social media. I might be wrong, but what you heard was basically a tease.
Bob and crew do a great show for their target, and that's basically all KPAM's got going for it, but they're way behind the dominant AM station in morning drive right now which is KXL. For all the buzz given to political talk, mornings is their best daypart. That's always been the money daypart for news/talk.
OPB is doing well in the drives and sucking in midday. But their Morning Edition is just barely ahead of KXL in adults. There's a morning drive battle for the news audience in morning drive, and it sounds like it's heating up. It should be.Posted on February 25, 2011 - 08:54 PM #
I hope Bigpuppy is right. I've been listening to Bob and Pat since I was in elementary school at Capitol Hill. Mornings without them are hard to imagine.Posted on February 25, 2011 - 09:23 PM #
Yes. A tease like Bob gave this morning usually means a change, but not a dismissal. If it was a dismissal, this never would have occurrred. Bob will most likely turn up somewhere else. Gotta love teases! It's radio's foundation.Posted on February 25, 2011 - 09:31 PM #
I don't think it's that dramatic...I don't think anybody's going anywhere. Maybe a show's being extended by an hour, or starting later, or adding a feature or a sidekick. But as I said...I could be wrong. That's my specialty.Posted on February 25, 2011 - 09:40 PM #
I haven't talked to Bob about this, but knowing him for 30 years, I can only hazard a guess as to what will be happening tomorrow morning.
He'll finally be able to say "booger" on the air.Posted on February 27, 2011 - 10:52 AM #
...so what you're saying is that either KPAM going to be a Rock station or Bob Miller is moving to Cincinnati.Posted on February 27, 2011 - 12:58 PM #
I don't plan to bother Bob about this either, but I hope he'll be able to continue his occasional Wookie impression.Posted on February 27, 2011 - 01:00 PM #
I'm going to stab a guess, Oregon's voice will be taking on all local contracts until they are up... KPAM going Salem.Posted on February 27, 2011 - 02:41 PM #
I heard a promo on KPAM this morning right around 9:00 that said "starting March 3 ... new lineup..." and I THINK what I heard was Pat Boyle/Tim Hohl (sp?) 5-7 AM and the "Bob Miller Crew" (?) 7-10:00. I hope that's what I really heard. I'd love to hear Pat on her own and to still have Bob too. :DPosted on February 27, 2011 - 03:19 PM #
You got Tim's spelling correctly. He has been the morning news anchor there for some time, but really is a great (and most enjoys being) a field reporter- wish they could afford to use him as that again. The KPAM News Subaru awaits...Posted on February 27, 2011 - 11:50 PM #
I listened for 2 hours, no mention of programing change.Posted on February 28, 2011 - 08:16 AM #
It's coming at 7:20AMPosted on February 28, 2011 - 08:16 AM #
At 7.20 this morning, he announced he'll move to 7AM weekdays, starting this Thu, 3 March...7 to 11 AM...sounds like I nailed it... :-)...He said the new KPAM management came up with the idea, "with my imput." "Retirement? Not on your life! I've gor a lot of radio left..."
Best, M.Posted on February 28, 2011 - 08:37 AM #
This is really great news. Now, if KPAM can revamp the afternoon and evening drive will local talk...Posted on February 28, 2011 - 08:42 AM #
This Is Great News!Posted on February 28, 2011 - 08:46 AM #
Cheers to the new mgmt on making a move on the morning show. So what do you do in the afternoon add another local host or add a news block of some sort? I so love playing PD.Posted on February 28, 2011 - 08:56 AM #
This is from KPAM Facebook annoucement: KPAM 860
Bob Miller just announced! New changes at KPAM 860 starting this Thursday. First Edition w/Tim Hohl & Pat Boyle starts at 5am. The Bob Miller Show moves to 7a-11a and Victoria Taft stays in her regular time slot from 11a--3p. More great things coming very soon on AM 860 and http://www.kpam.com, The Voice of Portland.
It sounds like more change coming and with the "The Voice of Portland" in there, perhaps it will be all local talk.Posted on February 28, 2011 - 10:30 AM #
So do I get credit for more or less calling it on Friday? (>>I don't think anybody's going anywhere. Maybe a show's being extended by an hour, or starting later)..
It does make sense. If you're trying to stretch local staff to eliminate satellite shows that pull squat, you think like this: 5 AM is a low-cume hour that's not included in the 6-10 drivetime numbers. 6 AM is information-driven, overwhelmed with traffic and wx. 7 is the same but it starts to morph, and 8 it's OK to settle in and get homespun, aw-shucks and Bob-like. Call it the Voice of Portland and put it up against Beck (who's Wu minus the tiger suit) and a burned-out Rush. Bob's pulling 2's in 25-54, a hell of a lot better than the point-zip everything else on the station is getting..why not stretch him into middays?Posted on February 28, 2011 - 08:14 PM #
Here's what North America is reading on All Access:
------------------------KPAM/Portland Adds News Block, To Be Local 5a-3p Weekdays------------------------
New PD DENNIS GLASGOW is wasting no time making changes at PAMPLIN Talk KPAM-A/PORTLAND, with a lineup shuffle making the station live-and-local 5a-3p weekdays.
Morning man BOB MILLER will shift two hours later to air 7-11a starting THURSDAY (3/3). The move, displacing FOX NEWS RADIO's JOHN GIBSON, will make room for a two-hour early morning news block, "FIRST EDITION," with TIM HOHL and PAT BOYLE, focusing on local news, weather, and traffic. VICTORIA TAFT's local show remains in place 11a-3p. With the changes, the station is reimaging as "AM 860, THE VOICE OF PORTLAND."
GLASGOW said, "Being local is important to our listeners and PORTLAND, period. We have a bank of talented people here at AM 860, and we'll be using our entire team to play to their strengths. We're excited for our listeners to have TIM and PAT start their day. 'The Dean' of PORTLAND Radio BOB MILLER will have naturally a bigger audience at 7a, as he continues his legendary status in PORTLAND radio."
This appears under the KPAM announcement as the next story on All Access. WEIRD!
-------------------------------WCZX Rebrands - Bob Miller And Suzy Garcia Exit-------------------------------
According to the POUGHKEEPSIE JOURNAL, CUMULUS AC WCZX (MIX 97)/POUCHKEEPSIE, NY morning host BOB MILLER and midday talent SUZY GARCIA both exit as the station moves in a new direction.
WCZX currently has a tease on http://WWW.MIX97FM.COM letting their listeners know the new sound will launch on THURSDAY (3/3).Posted on February 28, 2011 - 08:38 PM #
"The Voice Of Portland" Was a KXL slogan circa 2000.
Probably used many other times and places.Posted on February 28, 2011 - 10:26 PM #
No, just KXL twice: 1927 & 1999.Posted on March 1, 2011 - 01:27 AM #
To bad they didn't opt for a live and local show from 3 - 7 PM instead of Michael Savage.Posted on March 1, 2011 - 09:18 AM #
Poor Michael Savage, they just don't like him in Portland!Posted on March 1, 2011 - 09:24 AM #
Just a few simple questions. Why March 3? Why not March 1? Why on Thursday? Why not on Monday?
What is the significance of a Thursday, non beginning of month, start?
Just wondering.Posted on March 1, 2011 - 11:56 AM #
Didn't Pat Boyle work with our Bob Miller over at KEX for a few years? Interesting that both stations are introducing new lineups on Thursday, rather than Monday..I wonder how many other stations are springing changes on Thursday? End of sweeps period, maybe?
Best, M.Posted on March 1, 2011 - 04:29 PM #
Bingo, Msndrspdx. March 3's the first day of the PPM month.Posted on March 1, 2011 - 05:27 PM #
Well I for one am wondering about this Denis Glasgow (KPAM's new producer), and what's up with him. He's making a lot of changes, which may be good, we'll see. One of the changes he's making is on the different radio personalities' Facebook pages, rolling them all into one big KPAM page. So now, instead of hearing comments from individuals like Victoria Taft, or Bob Miller, it's all lumped together, coming from "KPAM" and you have to guess at who is making the comment. He must have been getting feedback from listeners not liking that. So last night he posted on FB's KPAM page, basically telling people to move on and get over it. This is just the way we're doing things, and if you don't like it, you don't have to "like" the FB page. The way he worded it just sounded rude and unprofessional (and he signed his name too, so we know that comment is coming from him). I made a comment saying that it seemed like an unprofessional and rude comment to make to fans of KPAM's individual personalities. So this morning, when I checked my FB, not only was my comment and his original post gone, but I was "unfriended" from the KPAM fan page. What?! I guess I was under the impression that radio is for the listeners, and therefore the FB pages were also for fans of KPAM's personalities. So any seemingly negative comment about the way Dennis is running things must not sit well for him, since it's obviously his own agenda he is pushing.Posted on March 2, 2011 - 08:43 AM #
Fighting with your customers or source of revenue is never a good business model.Posted on March 2, 2011 - 08:45 AM #
Seems to me, forcing everything under KPAM, doesn't really add value. KPAM is only "cool" if it acts that way, and presents content that people think is "cool".
(cool being something worth mindshare, that's all)
Just saying, "hey! We are fucking cool, deal with it!" is laughable.Posted on March 2, 2011 - 08:47 AM #
Put another way:
Bob Miller is worth a hell of a lot more than KPAM is, if one is measuring "cool". If KPAM wants to be cool, on it's own, not just dealing in Bob's brand of "cool", they need to actually do something "cool", not try and present Bob's brand of "cool" as their own.
It don't work that way.
Right now, it's safe to say people listen to KPAM, because that's where the "cool" is. Bob is "cool." That's the basic problem right there. Bob is "cooler" than KPAM, which is why KPAM desired Bob.
The desire to get some of the "cool" is what makes the money, because paying attention to the "cool" means paying attention to the ADS, which are only heard, if the "cool" is worth it! Again, that's why Bob is there.
Attempting to mask where the "cool" is coming from, or trying to get some of the "cool" to rub off like this, just isn't "cool" at all. This is posing, and absolutely shallow, and not "cool".
The product of that?
Less overall "cool". Everybody knows Bob is still "cool", no worries there. But, now the cost of getting to some of Bob's "cool" just went up, with NO VALUE ADDED. Not cool, or put better, Bob's "cool", minus the ADS, which pay for Bob, minus the "not cool" demonstrated here. LOL!!!
Product of that:
Less mindshare, for lack of "coolness" and that will equate to lower numbers, which will equate to less revenue.
Smart move there KPAM. And... wait for it!
Not cool. Heh. Stay cool Bob.
(gets ready to head off to work, and listen to Limbaugh, because he was stupid and said he would)Posted on March 2, 2011 - 08:49 AM #
You know, this could be "cool", if rolled out differently.
So KPAM decides it needs to be "cool" on it's own, so there is some value there. This is actually a great idea, and one I highly recommend. Always good when radio is a venue rather than a mere content outlet. There are lots of content outlets, and a "cool" one, has merit, which equals mind share, which equals revenue. All "cool".
So then, KPAM decides it's going to be "cool" as "the voice of portland". Well, that's great!
KPAM does that, and says so to the people, currently paying attention, because KPAM is dealing in some "cool" that is worth more than the ADS are. Great start.
So KPAM adds value to that, by announcing "the voice of portland", and instead of just roping all the cool underneath to prop that up, without adding any real value, decides to just roll it out, and ask the sources of the current "cool" that is making money, to show their support, and give KPAM a little love.
(ideally planning with the "cool" people to insure that it actually will be "cool", which clearly was not done well, or it would actually be "cool")
The source of "cool" gets to do that, because they get to say what is "cool" and what's not. It's a bitch, but that's how radio personalities actually work.
Edit: They work that way, because who they are and what they think actually matters, or they would not be "cool" enough to pay the bills. Gotta respect that, or risk being, "not cool".
Having done that, some moves to KPAM, that they LET THE COOL PEOPLE TALK ABOUT OPENLY AND HONESTLY, will actually infer some "cool" to KPAM, because the people will hear the "cool" people, actually think this is "cool", because it really would be. Everybody knows that "cool" people don't just hang out with, or get associated with stuff that's "not cool", unless they are forced to. See how that works?
From there build up "the voice of portland", and let them all join up as the "cool" people they are, making "the voice of portland", and KPAM, "cool", and the value just goes up, with few to no downsides, but for a producer who feels they need to own something they currently do not, which is the "cool". Comments coming from "KPAM" aren't "cool", why? Because the person reading the comment doesn't know which source of cool the comment came from, which makes it "not cool". Bitch, I know, but somebody has to say it, and I'm on the free gig, so I will say it with no worries.
"cool" can be inferred, and made, which is what producing really is, but it can't just be moved and or aggregated like that, because it's just not cool, because it's just not real. Sorry. It's got to be real to be cool, and that means getting Bob, et al. to actually think it's "cool", so they can say it to the people, inferring some actual "coolness" to the effort as a whole.
(now headed off to Limbaugh doom)Posted on March 2, 2011 - 09:13 AM #
Shalypa: I'd like to believe you but you come on this board for the first time and say things about someone you can't prove (convenient), and you don't post under your name. How do we know you're not another Program Director or personnel from another station wanting to spin this thread in a different direction?Posted on March 2, 2011 - 09:18 AM #
Missing, your posts were really, well, cooooool!Posted on March 2, 2011 - 09:20 AM #
Hey Shalypa the same thing happened to me!
My original response to his rude message had been "Dear Mr. Glasgow, Thank you for the warm, endearing, grammatically-correct welcome." (It was full of grammar errors)
And this morning I 'liked' the page again, yet I'm unable to like or post or comment on anything! I've been blocked!
I'm usually pretty quiet and a follower of rules but this is rubbing me the wrong way. I've listened to Bob since I was in second grade, and I'm almost 40!Posted on March 2, 2011 - 11:10 AM #
Not cool.Posted on March 2, 2011 - 11:16 AM #
I don't care much for Facebook, and I don't know for certain the motivations of KPAM's management in consolidating the pages. Applying Occam's razor, however, I would hazard the guess that from management's point of view, having all of these individual pages is a bad thing because it de-emphasizes the notion that all of these different personalities are on one radio station. From such a point of view, having individual host pages puts forth the notion that the station is running a "block format," and thus encourages listeners to tune in for a favorite program but not stay with the station after that program ends.
Having said that, I still hold that it is stupid to do trite, unprofessional things like unfriending listeners and making angry comments that are insulting to people who visit the Facebook page.Posted on March 2, 2011 - 11:39 AM #
I don't know Shalypa, but you can find her and her story under her "real name" on Bob Miller Show facebook page, as well as mine.Posted on March 2, 2011 - 11:40 AM #
They may have "consolidated" the FB pages but you can still "Like" or "friend" both Bob and Victoria on their personal pages, so I am not sure what the issue is.Posted on March 2, 2011 - 11:55 AM #
Craig - I can prove what he said, as I cut and pasted his comments from another listener who cut and pasted it to FB. True that I don't have my response to him saved. I mean, how was I to know that I would be unfriended, and the comments deleted? To me, it seems convenient for Mr. Dennis Glasgow to get rid of evidence of his unprofessionalism like that.
The reason I came on this board for the first time and made a user name is because I was annoyed about the comments he made, and then his censoring user comments (even though I made them politely too), and then deleting the person (and now it sounds like shougmom had the same experience too) so they can't make any more comments. And I didn't know it was a requirement to post your real name here. As I'm looking through most people's comments, they don't look like real names either. And as shougmom said, you can find my real name on the Bob Miller FB page if you care to look. There's certainly a whole lot of discussion going on over there over this as well. But... it sounds like those pages will all be gone by tomorrow anyway, making everyone's comments quietly go away, and making sure that we won't make any more.
dodger - the issue is (1) those pages are going away tomorrow, according to Dennis Glasgow, and now everything will come from KPAM as a whole, with no distinction between the different personalities. And (2) the rudeness in general of the radio producer to KPAM's fans.
shougmom - thanks for posting too And believe it or not, I am usually pretty quiet about this stuff too. In fact, this is the first time I've spoken out on a message board about something like this, or on a FB page either, as a matter of fact!Posted on March 2, 2011 - 12:52 PM #
Shalypa... Craig is a fixture on this board which caters to the few folks who are still in the radio broadcasting industry, the many who have found new ways to be productive ("add value" ... I love that term, Missing) and the multitude who just like the medium... so those in the industry or "divorced" from the industry have seen lots of things happen with respect to the competitive process. ... The question was really innocent...
And yes, there is no requirement to disclose who you are but new posters with clear pseudonymns posting about particular people in the industry tend to attract attention.Posted on March 2, 2011 - 01:37 PM #
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