feedback.pdxradio.com Topic: Where does the liberal confidence in an Obama win come from?

NoParty on "Where does the liberal confidence in an Obama win come from?"

NoParty — Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:55:22 +0000

FEAR based thinking What the Radical Extreme Right runs on.... And sticky grape kool-aid.

missing_kskd on "Where does the liberal confidence in an Obama win come from?"

missing_kskd — Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:36:03 +0000

Of course they are going to marginalize Obama. Using dimunutive language like "slave" serves only to rally the faithful. It does nothing to the rest of the world, but reinforce the need for unity and clear resolve to manage those asses, ideally reducing their numbers and strength to the maximum extent possible. It won't be possible to eliminate them. Ideas do not die with men. Sadly, that's how we roll. But it is entirely possible to raise the cost of terror and reduce the reward to the point where it's not really worth it in the vast majority of cases, leaving us with whackos who would act ANYWAY. Denying this is FEAR based thinking, and brain stem level, "fight or flight" style thinking isn't going to cut it long term. Might feel good though, but it won't really be potent, nor will it get us to a much better state in the world.

missing_kskd on "Where does the liberal confidence in an Obama win come from?"

missing_kskd — Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:33:48 +0000

*THEY* (religious zealots) are not who we need to worry about impressing. (the management of impressions, not seeking approval or validation, to be clear) It's everybody else. Those people are GONE. They have drank the kool-aid, much like cult members are lost without severe, invasive, expensive and time consuming intervention / deprogramming. On their scale, not gonna happen. Lost. So then, this is about the rest of the world, and more importantly, that we unify on how we deal with terror. Bush had quite likely the perfect opportunity to unify the globe, instead entering a war of choice based on lies for profit. Not cool. The work Obama is doing right now is good work. It won't impress the zealots. It may well enrage them to some degree. They are, after all, bullies. How do we deal with bullies? It sure as hell isn't coddling them. We don't give up who we are out of some fear of a bully. What we do is we marshal our forces, allies, and potent others to deal with the bully, and if we have to face them personally, we give the best we've got, knowing we've got friends. Obama is a bridge builder, unifier, a symbol for the free world and all that it really means. He's doing good work, and of all the things I am frustrated over, I find myself very strained to deal with authoritarian types who some how think mere matters of protocol or brute force will resolve what we face in terror. If it were true, Bush would have seen much greater success. He didn't see that success, but Obama is. That's all I need to see.

NoParty on "Where does the liberal confidence in an Obama win come from?"

NoParty — Wed, 08 Feb 2012 19:26:58 +0000

The Radical Right forgets that Afghanistan was about Osama DEAD OR ALIVE! We're going to smoke them out of their holes! I guess NOtalent and the rest of the CONs forget to easily. Osama is dead! GAME OVER!

Brianl on "Where does the liberal confidence in an Obama win come from?"

Brianl — Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:22:29 +0000

How exactly do we walk away from Afghanistan looking like the good guys, the victors here? We don't. Just like Iraq, we went into Afghanistan with no end game in sight. The intent was to get Osama bin Laden - that is done. Now what? We have set up a very unpopular government in Afghanistan that will most likely fall as soon as we leave.

Uncle Mort on "Where does the liberal confidence in an Obama win come from?"

Uncle Mort — Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:14:22 +0000

Someone had to pull the plug on this costly and futile military misadventure, built on nigerian yellowcake lies. So let what's done, get done with and stop yer bitching. i've talked to returning GIs who agree. No foreign power has ever 'won' Afghanistan.Read The Great Game by Peter Hopkind and get over your imperial delusions.

Notalent on "Where does the liberal confidence in an Obama win come from?"

Notalent — Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:53:05 +0000

Perception is reality Mort. Especially to religious fanatic barbarians with modern toys of war. I'm not saying I'm buying into it at all. Just saying how they view Obama and how walking away from Afghanistan looks to them. If we are going to play on the world stage then we must go there prepared to win, not cower and run. Even if there is a contingent at home that is "tired" of it. Leaving al Qaeda functioning in any manner is the bungle. I totally get that you are anti war, but what is done is done. Our president willingly makes us look weak in the eyes of people with hate and vengence on their minds. not so good. If he left them all dead like he did Osama, then thats another story. But no, he has to appease you instead.

Uncle Mort on "Where does the liberal confidence in an Obama win come from?"

Uncle Mort — Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:12:14 +0000

What it is, you're buying into the Al Qaeda spin machine. You're quoting an internal pep memo from a low level op like it's real news. It's propaganda at best and you pass the crap around to put lipstick on the war pig and piss on the prez who had to clean up after the bush bungle.

Notalent on "Where does the liberal confidence in an Obama win come from?"

Notalent — Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:21:52 +0000

Here is what Al Qaeda think of Obama: Quote from Abu Zubaydah al Lubnani, a Lebanese al Qaeda operative: "Everyone knows that the war is about to end with a great defeat to NATO; the black slave [Note: Referring to US President Barack Obama] announced their intention to completely withdraw from Afghanistan in 2014-1435," he said. "These planes [the drones] were introduced into duty actually in the war against the mujahideen in the past two years, and before that, during eight years, the mujahideen were able, praise be to Allah, to harm the Americans badly. They took the bait and lost the war, and now they are in the overtime and the time is in our favor, praise be to Allah..." Just so you know, they don't buy the Obama spin machine on the battlefield. No wonder losing the war is scheduled for 2014 after the election. Read more: <a href="http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2012/02/al_qaeda_still_stand.php#ixzz1lpLInehR" rel="nofollow">http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2012/02/al_qaeda_still_stand.php#ixzz1lpLInehR</a>

NoParty on "Where does the liberal confidence in an Obama win come from?"

NoParty — Mon, 06 Feb 2012 10:58:01 +0000

There are some things that must be law but they need to cut way back on their intrusions into our lives. I keep saying that about the Religious RIGHT in America.